t5 pilot bearing/race different?

Falconman · January 8th, 2013, 06:19 PM

Okay so I'm about to order a t5 rebuilt kit and see on the Ford Racing kit, it says 87-93 needs additional input bearing and race, and it's only on the 2.3...why is this? I have a 5.0 t5 and 2.3 t5, so if its a case difference I can still use the kit I guess, but why is it different?

Thanks

arummel93 · January 8th, 2013, 09:55 PM

Input shaft is bigger on the 5.0. Rapido group sells a bushing or w/e to let you use the V8 input shaft in the 2.3.

Falconman · January 9th, 2013, 11:27 AM

So would there be a way to use that rebuild kit on a 2.3 trans, or would I need to get a different rebuild kit?

arummel93 · January 9th, 2013, 11:48 AM

That I'm not 100% sure on, but I would think it'd work. nxcoupe might have the answer to that one I think.

Mikel89us · January 9th, 2013, 12:29 PM

the rebuild is the same, bearings and blocker rings are the same, the only thing that is different is the input bearing. All you have to do is find a new 4cyl bearing. Or if you have a 5.0 t5, rebuild it and when you have it apart have the input shaft turned down for the 2.3 pilot size.

nxcoupe · January 15th, 2013, 11:03 AM

Yep^ what he said. But with this caveot, those rebuild 'kits' are a huge waste of money. Most of it are parts that never wear and wont cause the usual issues that lead people to want to 'rebuild' their trans. You can toss all that stuff in your trans and will still clash in gear or worse yet, not want to go into gear, and will not stop noise if it had noise issues before. Best way to rebuild it is buy a video from someone like bob hanlon and only replace what it needs. Usually blocker rings, sliders and whatever gears are worn. Jmho.

Falconman · January 18th, 2013, 01:02 PM

Okay problem is I can't find anywhere that sells tht 4cyl bearing/race, or just specific parts instead of a kit. Any places? I mean my brother put that kit in his trans (alon with like billet cluster support, bronze shifter cup, ect.) and his trans was the best trans either of us have ever used..

Mikel89us · January 18th, 2013, 04:15 PM

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Contact these guys, they should be able to help.

nxcoupe · January 18th, 2013, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Falconman

Okay problem is I can't find anywhere that sells tht 4cyl bearing/race, or just specific parts instead of a kit. Any places? I mean my brother put that kit in his trans (alon with like billet cluster support, bronze shifter cup, ect.) and his trans was the best trans either of us have ever used..

What 4 cyl bearing and race are you talking about? The input bearing? It's exactly the same as the V8, same diameter input, difference is the diameter of the pilot bearing which is in the crank, not the trans, so I'm really confused what you keep talking about?

Mikel89us · January 20th, 2013, 10:21 PM

nx you may be right but ive always been told it was the input bearing in the trans that was different.

Falconman · January 22nd, 2013, 11:26 AM

Well on all the kits it says the diameter is different and i need a different bearing...I guess I'll have to get a caliper and measure it to see..

nxcoupe · January 22nd, 2013, 12:32 PM

Input bearing is the same as far as I have seen. If its different, its available locally at your parts store. They are basically a wheel bearing. Race is the same as the V8 because the bearing reainers interchange. Ill call and verify on the bearing for you.

nxcoupe · January 22nd, 2013, 12:47 PM

Ok, just got off the phone with the tremec guy. He said the retainers are the same for most years, but he couldnt be certain because they dont make them any more. What year do you have? Tag numbers would be good off the trans tag.

Falconman · January 23rd, 2013, 02:49 AM

Its an 88... I'll check the tag when I get a chance and post it

nxcoupe · January 24th, 2013, 07:26 AM

Ok, here is a pic of a V8 unit side by side with a 4 cyl one. You can see the bearing is a little bit longer(taller) than the V8 one(4cyl on the right, V8 on the left). The diameter of the shaft is the same on the inner, and I'll measure a 4 cyl race for you, but I believe the outside diameter to be the same as the V8. If I get a free minute this weekend, I will press that bearing off of a 4 cyl input and post up the numbers for you, and if I have more time I'll track down a local part number for that bearing too. Sorry I gave incorrect information, but I did track it down and corrected myself. Hope I can get all the info for you and put it out here for everyone.

Mikel89us · January 24th, 2013, 08:40 AM

Nothing wrong with being wrong as long as you share the correct information when you get it!

ranger50toy · January 24th, 2013, 11:48 AM

From looking at that pic, the bearing thickness looks different, where the v8 has shorter rollers. I would have thought it would be the other way around.

ranger50toy · January 24th, 2013, 11:52 AM

Do you happen to have a SN-95 v6 input shaft to add to that group?

Mikel89us · January 25th, 2013, 08:58 AM

I dont think the v6 is different for the v8

ranger50toy · January 25th, 2013, 12:20 PM

I read that the Spline is the same, but the shaft length is longer. I am looking to see if the V6 shaft can be trimmed to 4cyl dimensions and still engage the clutch disk.

January 8th, 2013, 06:19 PM	#1
Falconman Rider 87 2.3l T5 18.9 (est.) Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: O Fallon, mo Posts: 74 iTrader: 0 reviews	t5 pilot bearing/race different? Okay so I'm about to order a t5 rebuilt kit and see on the Ford Racing kit, it says 87-93 needs additional input bearing and race, and it's only on the 2.3...why is this? I have a 5.0 t5 and 2.3 t5, so if its a case difference I can still use the kit I guess, but why is it different? Thanks __________________ 87 hatch 2.3. T5 swap done febraury '13, steeda tri-ax short throw, H&R super sport springs(1.75 front 1.6 rear), little bit of new stuff here and there.. 82 gt 4 speed, T-TOPS!!-SOLD

January 8th, 2013, 09:55 PM	#2
arummel93 Hardcore Enthusiast 1990(3) Mustang LXSVO 2.3 14.5@98 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 2,442 iTrader: 0 reviews	Input shaft is bigger on the 5.0. Rapido group sells a bushing or w/e to let you use the V8 input shaft in the 2.3. __________________ Follow the Shitbox 4 Cylinder Racecar Build!

January 9th, 2013, 11:27 AM	#3
Falconman Rider 87 2.3l T5 18.9 (est.) Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: O Fallon, mo Posts: 74 iTrader: 0 reviews	So would there be a way to use that rebuild kit on a 2.3 trans, or would I need to get a different rebuild kit? __________________ 87 hatch 2.3. T5 swap done febraury '13, steeda tri-ax short throw, H&R super sport springs(1.75 front 1.6 rear), little bit of new stuff here and there.. 82 gt 4 speed, T-TOPS!!-SOLD

January 9th, 2013, 11:48 AM	#4
arummel93 Hardcore Enthusiast 1990(3) Mustang LXSVO 2.3 14.5@98 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 2,442 iTrader: 0 reviews	That I'm not 100% sure on, but I would think it'd work. nxcoupe might have the answer to that one I think. __________________ Follow the Shitbox 4 Cylinder Racecar Build!

January 9th, 2013, 12:29 PM	#5
Mikel89us Enthusiast 1991 Mustang 2.3L 11:42 @ 61 in the 1/8th Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Logansport, IN Posts: 825 iTrader: 0 reviews	the rebuild is the same, bearings and blocker rings are the same, the only thing that is different is the input bearing. All you have to do is find a new 4cyl bearing. Or if you have a 5.0 t5, rebuild it and when you have it apart have the input shaft turned down for the 2.3 pilot size. __________________ 1991 Mustang LX 2.3L 5 Speed convert 1989 Ranger 4X4 2.3L 5 Speed Entire turbo kit waiting to be used again.

January 15th, 2013, 11:03 AM	#6
nxcoupe Resident Know-it-all 92 blk/blk coupe 9.70@140 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 1,962 iTrader: 0 reviews	Yep^ what he said. But with this caveot, those rebuild 'kits' are a huge waste of money. Most of it are parts that never wear and wont cause the usual issues that lead people to want to 'rebuild' their trans. You can toss all that stuff in your trans and will still clash in gear or worse yet, not want to go into gear, and will not stop noise if it had noise issues before. Best way to rebuild it is buy a video from someone like bob hanlon and only replace what it needs. Usually blocker rings, sliders and whatever gears are worn. Jmho. __________________ 90 GT 393 5 spd, 467 rwhp 480 rwtq > Sold 92 coupe, R/S 308 5 spd > Sold all engine parts off, coyote power coming soon.. 93 coupe, 2.3 5 spd > still plugging along...

January 18th, 2013, 01:02 PM	#7
Falconman Rider 87 2.3l T5 18.9 (est.) Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: O Fallon, mo Posts: 74 iTrader: 0 reviews	Okay problem is I can't find anywhere that sells tht 4cyl bearing/race, or just specific parts instead of a kit. Any places? I mean my brother put that kit in his trans (alon with like billet cluster support, bronze shifter cup, ect.) and his trans was the best trans either of us have ever used.. __________________ 87 hatch 2.3. T5 swap done febraury '13, steeda tri-ax short throw, H&R super sport springs(1.75 front 1.6 rear), little bit of new stuff here and there.. 82 gt 4 speed, T-TOPS!!-SOLD

January 18th, 2013, 04:15 PM	#8
Mikel89us Enthusiast 1991 Mustang 2.3L 11:42 @ 61 in the 1/8th Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Logansport, IN Posts: 825 iTrader: 0 reviews	Home Contact these guys, they should be able to help. __________________ 1991 Mustang LX 2.3L 5 Speed convert 1989 Ranger 4X4 2.3L 5 Speed Entire turbo kit waiting to be used again.

January 20th, 2013, 10:21 PM	#10
Mikel89us Enthusiast 1991 Mustang 2.3L 11:42 @ 61 in the 1/8th Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Logansport, IN Posts: 825 iTrader: 0 reviews	nx you may be right but ive always been told it was the input bearing in the trans that was different. __________________ 1991 Mustang LX 2.3L 5 Speed convert 1989 Ranger 4X4 2.3L 5 Speed Entire turbo kit waiting to be used again.

January 22nd, 2013, 11:26 AM	#11
Falconman Rider 87 2.3l T5 18.9 (est.) Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: O Fallon, mo Posts: 74 iTrader: 0 reviews	Well on all the kits it says the diameter is different and i need a different bearing...I guess I'll have to get a caliper and measure it to see.. __________________ 87 hatch 2.3. T5 swap done febraury '13, steeda tri-ax short throw, H&R super sport springs(1.75 front 1.6 rear), little bit of new stuff here and there.. 82 gt 4 speed, T-TOPS!!-SOLD

January 22nd, 2013, 12:32 PM	#12
nxcoupe Resident Know-it-all 92 blk/blk coupe 9.70@140 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 1,962 iTrader: 0 reviews	Input bearing is the same as far as I have seen. If its different, its available locally at your parts store. They are basically a wheel bearing. Race is the same as the V8 because the bearing reainers interchange. Ill call and verify on the bearing for you. __________________ 90 GT 393 5 spd, 467 rwhp 480 rwtq > Sold 92 coupe, R/S 308 5 spd > Sold all engine parts off, coyote power coming soon.. 93 coupe, 2.3 5 spd > still plugging along...

January 22nd, 2013, 12:47 PM	#13
nxcoupe Resident Know-it-all 92 blk/blk coupe 9.70@140 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 1,962 iTrader: 0 reviews	Ok, just got off the phone with the tremec guy. He said the retainers are the same for most years, but he couldnt be certain because they dont make them any more. What year do you have? Tag numbers would be good off the trans tag. __________________ 90 GT 393 5 spd, 467 rwhp 480 rwtq > Sold 92 coupe, R/S 308 5 spd > Sold all engine parts off, coyote power coming soon.. 93 coupe, 2.3 5 spd > still plugging along...

January 23rd, 2013, 02:49 AM	#14
Falconman Rider 87 2.3l T5 18.9 (est.) Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: O Fallon, mo Posts: 74 iTrader: 0 reviews	Its an 88... I'll check the tag when I get a chance and post it __________________ 87 hatch 2.3. T5 swap done febraury '13, steeda tri-ax short throw, H&R super sport springs(1.75 front 1.6 rear), little bit of new stuff here and there.. 82 gt 4 speed, T-TOPS!!-SOLD

January 24th, 2013, 07:26 AM	#15
nxcoupe Resident Know-it-all 92 blk/blk coupe 9.70@140 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 1,962 iTrader: 0 reviews	Ok, here is a pic of a V8 unit side by side with a 4 cyl one. You can see the bearing is a little bit longer(taller) than the V8 one(4cyl on the right, V8 on the left). The diameter of the shaft is the same on the inner, and I'll measure a 4 cyl race for you, but I believe the outside diameter to be the same as the V8. If I get a free minute this weekend, I will press that bearing off of a 4 cyl input and post up the numbers for you, and if I have more time I'll track down a local part number for that bearing too. Sorry I gave incorrect information, but I did track it down and corrected myself. Hope I can get all the info for you and put it out here for everyone. Attached Thumbnails __________________ 90 GT 393 5 spd, 467 rwhp 480 rwtq > Sold 92 coupe, R/S 308 5 spd > Sold all engine parts off, coyote power coming soon.. 93 coupe, 2.3 5 spd > still plugging along...

January 24th, 2013, 08:40 AM	#16
Mikel89us Enthusiast 1991 Mustang 2.3L 11:42 @ 61 in the 1/8th Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Logansport, IN Posts: 825 iTrader: 0 reviews	Nothing wrong with being wrong as long as you share the correct information when you get it! __________________ 1991 Mustang LX 2.3L 5 Speed convert 1989 Ranger 4X4 2.3L 5 Speed Entire turbo kit waiting to be used again.

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January 24th, 2013, 11:48 AM	#17
ranger50toy Regular 1988 2.3L Hatch Ha-Ha Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Lansing Mi Posts: 146 iTrader: 0 reviews	From looking at that pic, the bearing thickness looks different, where the v8 has shorter rollers. I would have thought it would be the other way around.

January 24th, 2013, 11:52 AM	#18
ranger50toy Regular 1988 2.3L Hatch Ha-Ha Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Lansing Mi Posts: 146 iTrader: 0 reviews	Do you happen to have a SN-95 v6 input shaft to add to that group?

January 25th, 2013, 08:58 AM	#19
Mikel89us Enthusiast 1991 Mustang 2.3L 11:42 @ 61 in the 1/8th Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Logansport, IN Posts: 825 iTrader: 0 reviews	I dont think the v6 is different for the v8 __________________ 1991 Mustang LX 2.3L 5 Speed convert 1989 Ranger 4X4 2.3L 5 Speed Entire turbo kit waiting to be used again.

January 25th, 2013, 12:20 PM	#20
ranger50toy Regular 1988 2.3L Hatch Ha-Ha Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Lansing Mi Posts: 146 iTrader: 0 reviews	I read that the Spline is the same, but the shaft length is longer. I am looking to see if the V6 shaft can be trimmed to 4cyl dimensions and still engage the clutch disk.

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