[joeice14]

Wow its been a while since I have been on here... Work finally picked up so I have been busy, which leads me to this next question. I have been pocketing a little cahs here and there from each job and I have enough to start thinking about what I should get...

With me though I rather have a Cam make a little less hp but sound nasty as all hell... So I am really undecided...

I really would love to get the Hot rod cams, but I just cant see spending the extra 200 for them compared to the prices I can get the Comp Thmpr and Mutha Thumpr for...

I just cant figure out what the best combo to do is... I know I will need phaser elimiters if I do NSR but what is required for the Comp Mutha Thmpr???
One site says heads others say just springs...

And lastly what gears should I go with in the end for the best performance with the cams...

ps. Maybe D1sc procharger a year down the road...

-Joe

[GOTTORQ]

haha im in same boat as you man, im waiting for rich from radmustangs to PM me back, about to pull the trigger on the mutha thumprs, i believe the mutha thumprs only require limiters and livernois has them for 129 i think. rich told me that the mutha thumprs produce anywheres from 30-40rwhp and some people claim they have gained close to 50 rwhp.im going to attempt to install them, and i have 4.10s ready to go in as well. im hoping to hit high 12s up at lebanon valley this spring

[jerrytubbs1]

Everyone will have their opinion on the cams.
I went with frpp"hotrod".They have a nice lope to them,and we picked up ok power.
We finally got it dyno'd and picked up 16 non tuned, and 27 tuned hp.We also have other mods to our 06 gt.
Headers and exhaust,u/d pullies,jlt and bama tune.
The test was done compared to a previous best of 306 hp. Then we added cams, and had 322 untuned and 333 tuned. Lost some down low but gained up top.

Some say that if your going nitrous or blown, the frpp are no good? I have sprayed a 100 shot several times and seen no problems.I also dont see a 200.00 dollar difference in prices when going with the nsr cams.In other words the frpp is not 200 more than the comps.They are both good cams,I think.

As far as the gears. 4.10's didnt let us notice the little loss at bottom end.

Now let me say,I sell both cams. So if a customer buys from me,I tell them the truth because I make money on either one sold.I think 07stanggt sells both,but not sure.You can get his opinion to, as he has alot of knowledge.

[Jucostud]

you can't supercharge with the thumpers. that's why i didn't get them. The lift is to much on them.

[joeice14]

Originally Posted by GOTTORQ haha im in same boat as you man, im waiting for rich from radmustangs to PM me back, about to pull the trigger on the mutha thumprs, i believe the mutha thumprs only require limiters and livernois has them for 129 i think. rich told me that the mutha thumprs produce anywheres from 30-40rwhp and some people claim they have gained close to 50 rwhp.im going to attempt to install them, and i have 4.10s ready to go in as well. im hoping to hit high 12s up at lebanon valley this spring

If the Mutha Thmprs only require Phaser limiters then I will pick those up probably in about a week... I really dont mind how much I pick up as long as its noticable but I want them to sound nasty!! That way when people ask me that i have do I can say I took a screw driver and poked holes in the muffler... lol

I am going to need 4:10s though huh...
I have a track rental date set up for June 19 with a bunch of mustang guys...
Domestic vs imports... $20 deposit 50 day of...

DRAG and DRIFT all day... Lebanon valley...

Originally Posted by jerrytubbs1 Everyone will have their opinion on the cams. I went with frpp"hotrod".They have a nice lope to them,and we picked up ok power. We finally got it dyno'd and picked up 16 non tuned, and 27 tuned hp.We also have other mods to our 06 gt. Headers and exhaust,u/d pullies,jlt and bama tune. The test was done compared to a previous best of 306 hp. Then we added cams, and had 322 untuned and 333 tuned. Lost some down low but gained up top. Some say that if your going nitrous or blown, the frpp are no good? I have sprayed a 100 shot several times and seen no problems.I also dont see a 200.00 dollar difference in prices when going with the nsr cams.In other words the frpp is not 200 more than the comps.They are both good cams,I think. As far as the gears. 4.10's didnt let us notice the little loss at bottom end. Now let me say,I sell both cams. So if a customer buys from me,I tell them the truth because I make money on either one sold.I think 07stanggt sells both,but not sure.You can get his opinion to, as he has alot of knowledge.

I am not hating on the Hot Rod cams but I could only find them for 800 vs. 649 to 600 for the Mutha Thmprs... Listening on Youtube the Mutha Thmprs sound a little more aggressive also... I dont know I am just shopping around and trying to figure out what I need...

Only thing I am nerveous about is getting a whine after the gear install....

[joeice14]

Originally Posted by Jucostud you can't supercharge with the thumpers. that's why i didn't get them. The lift is to much on them.

Dam your cars looking nasty... Almost looks white but maybe its my screen...

but hmmm thats a slight complication...

[08blackchrome]

The phaser limiters are not required with the FRPP Hot Rod Cams So once you buy those you are really paying the same price for both sets of cams.

[Redrocket06]

Has anybody thought about the FRPP High Lift Hot Rod cams?
221/240 duration at .05 .47/.47 lift and 110 LSA

Give any 3-valve 4.6l or 5.4L a lopey idol reminiscent of 1960's muscle cars, no one will believe it's a modular engine.The most powerful cams available that are safe with production valvetrain. Currently being used in Rough Rider off-road race trucks
Engineered by the same designers of the stock camshafts no other cam manufacture has the aggressive sound and durability these cams offer
Upgrade for the 2005-09 Mustang GT 4.6L 3V engine
Increases lift from the stock 11mm to 12mm
Compatible with production springs, followers and lash adjusters up to 6800rpm
50hp gain(SAE-J1349)with the stock intake and M-6049-463P CNC heads at 6500 rpm. 30hp gain without CNC heads.
Requires custom calibration to achieve optimized performance
Model: M-6550-3V



the regular Hot Rod cams are
221/240 duration at .05 .45/.45 lift and 110 LSA

[07stanggt]

I replied got torq.

4.10s at least, buy hey, 4.10s at least on any n/a car

Like said, after you get the limiters with the thumprs, your looking at the same cost. Hot rod is tamer, thats the simplest answer to give you, so if you want a more aggresive cam go with the mutha thumpr, if you want less, go with either a stage I thumpr or hot rod.

And there is only one hot rod cam, not a high lift and 450 lift. Just one

[War Machine 115]

I vote Hot Rods because I love mine and didn't need any limiters or anything extra. I also did 4.10s with them. Can't speak for any loss of power because my car has yet to be dyno tuned.

Sutton has the Hot Rods for $760.

[Jucostud]

Originally Posted by joeice14 Dam your cars looking nasty... Almost looks white but maybe its my screen... but hmmm thats a slight complication...

lol, thanks man. I know you can't f/i with the thumpers, but not for sure about the hotrods. pm 07stanggt about that one. you might need to just look into getting the nsr stage 2's or spr stage 2's.

[War Machine 115]

People on other forums have run the Hot Rods with Whipples and Saleens. They said tuning was a little harder but after a good tune the car ran great. I think they all lost like 1/2 lb. of boost or so and that was it.

[07stanggt]

The hot rods have less overlap then thumprs and would be better for forced induction, still not ideal. The thumprs would be worse with a loss of boost. But some guys insist on doing it.

I gotta be honest, i like nsr cams. But i cant for the life of me see a reason to spend the money on a blower, and then get thumpr or hot rod cams, just get a stage II spr blower grind, have the sound, have the right cam for your app, and have the springs to support everything.

At some point is time to stop skimping.


This was my point with this blowers are econmical to n/a. No they arent, if you are getting a blower then you really should look at the total cost to do everything right, fuel system, complet blower kit, suspension to use the power, tires to use the power, and if you want cams, then spend the extra 300 and get springs. Its one thing to run nsr IIs with a blower, hot rods or thumprs are another thing.

Just my two cents. If you cant afford 300, you cant afford the blower, if you have exactly enough money to buy a supercharger kit, you cant afford forced induction.

[NastyFX4]

If you want NSRs than I'd go with the FRPP Hot Rod cams.

[Jucostud]

Originally Posted by 07stanggt The hot rods have less overlap then thumprs and would be better for forced induction, still not ideal. The thumprs would be worse with a loss of boost. But some guys insist on doing it. I gotta be honest, i like nsr cams. But i cant for the life of me see a reason to spend the money on a blower, and then get thumpr or hot rod cams, just get a stage II spr blower grind, have the sound, have the right cam for your app, and have the springs to support everything. At some point is time to stop skimping. This was my point with this blowers are econmical to n/a. No they arent, if you are getting a blower then you really should look at the total cost to do everything right, fuel system, complet blower kit, suspension to use the power, tires to use the power, and if you want cams, then spend the extra 300 and get springs. Its one thing to run nsr IIs with a blower, hot rods or thumprs are another thing. Just my two cents. If you cant afford 300, you cant afford the blower, if you have exactly enough money to buy a supercharger kit, you cant afford forced induction.

and if you only have the money for a supercharger kit, your gonna get beat by rich's 11 sec. n/a stang

[GOTTORQ]

soo i have a question, you say you cant supercharge with the thumprs, can you turbo with the thumprs?

[Jucostud]

no, there is too much lift. you'll leak mad boost.

[GOTTORQ]

gotchyaa

[SirKnightTG]

Originally Posted by Jucostud no, there is too much lift. you'll leak mad boost.

No it's not the lift that's the problem. You WANT more lift as that'll let you cram more air in. What you don't want is overlap with a blower where the intake valves and exhaust valves are open at the same time (giving the popping lope sound). That is what leaks boost pressure. Your blower is trying to cram a lot of air in but since the exhaust valve/s is open as well, it's just going right out your exhaust. Some of it any way.

Look at Comp Cam's website for the 3valve cams and compare, for example, the Stage 1 SPR N/A and the Stage 1 SPR Blower grind specs. Notice the lift for the blower grind is HIGHER than the N/A grind. But the LSA and duration figures are different. For N/A you want a lower LSA and for Blown applications you want a higher LSA generally (there's more to it than just LSA of course).

[joeice14]

Is there anything Else I would need to go with the Ford Hot Rod??? Bolts gaskets and such??? Is it possible to do install with out timing wedge???