installed cams, need help

pear0119 · May 2nd, 2009, 08:34 PM

Alrighty then, I just finished installing a set of FRPP cams, and the install went great maybe to well. Anywho, I went to start it after double checking everything was connected and well it won't start

.

It tries to start but stumbles and it only seems to be firing on a few cylinders. At first I thought it was the coil on plugs but I took them all out again and reseated them, same thing. I do have an aftermarket canned tune from my tuner in the car, should I return the tune back to stock??

Is there anything else that you guys can think of for me to check?

UrbanRedneck · May 2nd, 2009, 08:38 PM

At the front of each valve cover there is a small black square on a mounting bracket that is part of the ignition system, did you properly reconnect and mount them? Make sure everything is connected and mounted properly. Any fuel injectors that may be unplugged, etc.? Is the check engine light on? Use your tuner and see if you get any tunes. And, are you SURE the timing is correct?

pear0119 · May 2nd, 2009, 08:44 PM

I don't think its the fuel injectors as I can smell unburnt fuel coming out the tailpipe. I am not getting any check engine lights. I will recheck all connectors and see if I can see anything. The only thing im not sure about is the coil on plugs as when I was putting then in there was no click or anything.

As for the timing i'm not sure about that, I was thinking of returning it back to stock and see if that helps.

UrbanRedneck · May 2nd, 2009, 09:12 PM

with the valve timing off though it would most likely backfire a lot when running, or not run at all. You may be right to suspect an igniton issue. I don't think you will feel a click though when the coils are seated.

Are the camshaft position sensors installed correctly?

pear0119 · May 2nd, 2009, 09:31 PM

Are the camshaft position sensors installed correctly?

I believe they are. But I did find that I forgot to connect, well its a big connector right beside the ECU that has 4 leads going into it. Connect and still nothing not even firing. I think its flooded now as I have been trying a lot, so I will wait until morning and try it again. Finger crossed.

RainsFather · May 2nd, 2009, 10:13 PM

I just finished doing mine. The cops won't make any noise going back on. One thing I had a problem with as getting the damn rockers to stay in place. I would assume that if any of them slipped down far enough that nothing would touch it and would cause it to not want to start. Also, what did you use to keep the chain from slipping? The last thing would be to check and make sure you put them on the right side, I know this sounds stupid but one of the guides I read online had it wrong.

pear0119 · May 2nd, 2009, 10:43 PM

yeah I had a hard time keeping the followers in place. One falls out so you go and put it back in and you hit the one beside and it falls out.

As for the chain, I tied a few zip ties around the phaser and tied a rope to the ceiling of the garage, And I also had my dad hold the sprocket and chain up while I removed and place the new cam.

I also just realized that I decide to roll the engine with all coils unplugged just to see if any weird noises were going to appear, so I think that flooded the engine as I did roll it for a while.

UrbanRedneck · May 2nd, 2009, 11:13 PM

hold the gas to the floor when cranking, it will disable fuel injection to "clear flood".

Anthony05GT · May 3rd, 2009, 09:59 AM

^^ Yes, this should help if a flooded condition exists.

pear0119 · May 3rd, 2009, 10:33 AM

well, went out this morning and it started right up

. So it seems to be a combination of the electrical connector that I forgot to connect and it was flooded.

Took it for a spin and it satisfied the butt dyno, next step is to get her dyno tuned at some point this week. Other then the pulsing idle everything seems to be OK, which the dyno tune should fix the idle.

Anthony05GT · May 3rd, 2009, 11:52 AM

Yeah, when I did my cams Kevin spent a lot of time getting the idle shit right.

07 STROKER · May 3rd, 2009, 01:21 PM

change your oil if you left it flooded overnight...guess where the fuel went?

pear0119 · May 3rd, 2009, 01:29 PM

Yeah, when I did my cams Kevin spent a lot of time getting the idle shit right.

Yeah, my tuner has done a few of the FRPP cam tunes on the dyno so I think i'm gonna be OK there. Its just trying to find time to bring it there.

change your oil if you left it flooded overnight...guess where the fuel went?

There is fuel in the oil and I do plan to change it. would 5w30 synthetic be OK to put in these motors? as I have a few cases of 5w30 Castrol Syntec, that I bought when it was like $25 for 6 quarts plus k&n oil filter.

07 STROKER · May 3rd, 2009, 01:30 PM

i wouldint, but thats me 5 20 only for me.

Grabber523 · May 3rd, 2009, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by 07 procharger

i wouldint, but thats me 5 20 only for me.

+1 with the cam phasers being oil-pressure dependent and the tolerances in our engines, you'd sleep better at night knowing you had the right weight oil.

joeice14 · May 3rd, 2009, 07:13 PM

Hmm I am thinking of startin my install tonight... Remove everything, intake pelum, valve covers and make some room around too work... Send stuff out to get powdercoated tomorrow and then get started... I just need to pick up a torque wrench... Cant find mine... I need a inches to pounds one correct???

Anthony05GT · May 3rd, 2009, 07:35 PM

Yeah, you need a 3/8'' drive inch/pound torque wrench.

usafimj · May 3rd, 2009, 07:47 PM

joeice you don't need to take the intake off. it does not interfere with the install

joeice14 · May 3rd, 2009, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by usafimj

joeice you don't need to take the intake off. it does not interfere with the install

Thanks Anthony I need to pick that up for sure..
Sorry ment to say I am doing my delete plates at the same time... Sorry man..
I also read about people doing it without a valve spring compressor... I could probably get my hands on one just wondering though... I am going to either make my own wedge out of wood, hose or something... Any ideas..
Not sure I will be able to tie to the ceiling lol... Nice idea though...

-Joe

pear0119 · May 3rd, 2009, 08:05 PM

I am going to either make my own wedge out of wood, hose or something... Any ideas..

I just used zip ties and rope to tie the phaser and to the garage door opener bracket on the ceiling. But what I found to be best is to get someone to hold the phaser and sprocket up as you remove the old cam and place in the new cam. I also tried a bock of wood but couldn't find anything narrow enough to fit down and also I didn't want any wood chips/shavings to fall down in the motor.

I also didn't used a spring compressor either just got the cam in a sweet spot just enough to get the caps back on and then tighten them in sequence. Just be careful that the followers don't fall out of place.

May 2nd, 2009, 08:34 PM	#1
pear0119 Enthusiast 2005 Mustang GT 13.50@105 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ottawa Ontario, Canada Posts: 681 iTrader: 0 reviews	installed cams, need help Alrighty then, I just finished installing a set of FRPP cams, and the install went great maybe to well. Anywho, I went to start it after double checking everything was connected and well it won't start . It tries to start but stumbles and it only seems to be firing on a few cylinders. At first I thought it was the coil on plugs but I took them all out again and reseated them, same thing. I do have an aftermarket canned tune from my tuner in the car, should I return the tune back to stock?? Is there anything else that you guys can think of for me to check? __________________ JLT CAI, FRPP 4.10s, FRPP Hot Rods, FRPP x-pipe, FRPP TB, CMCV, UDP, Spydershaft, JBA Shorties, Flowmasters, Hurst Billet Plus, AM/Bama 93 race, BMR STB, BMR adj. panhard bar+brace, BMR LCA's, BMR UCA+mount, BMR front+rear swaybar, BMR A-arm brace.

May 2nd, 2009, 08:38 PM	#2
UrbanRedneck Hardcore Enthusiast 2008 Mustang GT 13.124@105.52 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,138 iTrader: 1 reviews	At the front of each valve cover there is a small black square on a mounting bracket that is part of the ignition system, did you properly reconnect and mount them? Make sure everything is connected and mounted properly. Any fuel injectors that may be unplugged, etc.? Is the check engine light on? Use your tuner and see if you get any tunes. And, are you SURE the timing is correct? __________________ Hurst Crew Member #20 2008 GT - ARH, C&L, Hurst, BORLA, BMR, Bilstein, FRPP, Axle Exchange. Awesome.

May 2nd, 2009, 08:44 PM	#3
pear0119 Enthusiast 2005 Mustang GT 13.50@105 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ottawa Ontario, Canada Posts: 681 iTrader: 0 reviews	I don't think its the fuel injectors as I can smell unburnt fuel coming out the tailpipe. I am not getting any check engine lights. I will recheck all connectors and see if I can see anything. The only thing im not sure about is the coil on plugs as when I was putting then in there was no click or anything. As for the timing i'm not sure about that, I was thinking of returning it back to stock and see if that helps. __________________ JLT CAI, FRPP 4.10s, FRPP Hot Rods, FRPP x-pipe, FRPP TB, CMCV, UDP, Spydershaft, JBA Shorties, Flowmasters, Hurst Billet Plus, AM/Bama 93 race, BMR STB, BMR adj. panhard bar+brace, BMR LCA's, BMR UCA+mount, BMR front+rear swaybar, BMR A-arm brace.

May 2nd, 2009, 09:12 PM	#4
UrbanRedneck Hardcore Enthusiast 2008 Mustang GT 13.124@105.52 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,138 iTrader: 1 reviews	with the valve timing off though it would most likely backfire a lot when running, or not run at all. You may be right to suspect an igniton issue. I don't think you will feel a click though when the coils are seated. Are the camshaft position sensors installed correctly? __________________ Hurst Crew Member #20 2008 GT - ARH, C&L, Hurst, BORLA, BMR, Bilstein, FRPP, Axle Exchange. Awesome.

May 2nd, 2009, 10:13 PM	#6
RainsFather Regular 88 GT Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: NW OKC Posts: 295 iTrader: 2 reviews	I just finished doing mine. The cops won't make any noise going back on. One thing I had a problem with as getting the damn rockers to stay in place. I would assume that if any of them slipped down far enough that nothing would touch it and would cause it to not want to start. Also, what did you use to keep the chain from slipping? The last thing would be to check and make sure you put them on the right side, I know this sounds stupid but one of the guides I read online had it wrong. __________________ 1988 Black Mustang GT - CAI, headers, throttle body, 3.73 gear, and a lot of hope. 2007 Silver Mustang GT - R.I.P. "we don't talk about the that car, he still gets really upset" - my wife

May 2nd, 2009, 10:43 PM	#7
pear0119 Enthusiast 2005 Mustang GT 13.50@105 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ottawa Ontario, Canada Posts: 681 iTrader: 0 reviews	yeah I had a hard time keeping the followers in place. One falls out so you go and put it back in and you hit the one beside and it falls out. As for the chain, I tied a few zip ties around the phaser and tied a rope to the ceiling of the garage, And I also had my dad hold the sprocket and chain up while I removed and place the new cam. I also just realized that I decide to roll the engine with all coils unplugged just to see if any weird noises were going to appear, so I think that flooded the engine as I did roll it for a while. __________________ JLT CAI, FRPP 4.10s, FRPP Hot Rods, FRPP x-pipe, FRPP TB, CMCV, UDP, Spydershaft, JBA Shorties, Flowmasters, Hurst Billet Plus, AM/Bama 93 race, BMR STB, BMR adj. panhard bar+brace, BMR LCA's, BMR UCA+mount, BMR front+rear swaybar, BMR A-arm brace.

May 2nd, 2009, 11:13 PM	#8
UrbanRedneck Hardcore Enthusiast 2008 Mustang GT 13.124@105.52 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,138 iTrader: 1 reviews	hold the gas to the floor when cranking, it will disable fuel injection to "clear flood". __________________ Hurst Crew Member #20 2008 GT - ARH, C&L, Hurst, BORLA, BMR, Bilstein, FRPP, Axle Exchange. Awesome.

May 3rd, 2009, 09:59 AM	#9
Anthony05GT Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,462 iTrader: 1 reviews	^^ Yes, this should help if a flooded condition exists. __________________ JDM 302 Stroker, Whipple 10 rib 12 psi, L&M, JBA, J&M, LFP, Corsa, BBR Stage II cams, Manley, MGW, McLeod RST, Metco, Steeda, Autometer, CDC, Street Scene, SOS, Tuned at JPC Racing by Kevin MacDonald

May 3rd, 2009, 10:33 AM	#10
pear0119 Enthusiast 2005 Mustang GT 13.50@105 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ottawa Ontario, Canada Posts: 681 iTrader: 0 reviews	well, went out this morning and it started right up . So it seems to be a combination of the electrical connector that I forgot to connect and it was flooded. Took it for a spin and it satisfied the butt dyno, next step is to get her dyno tuned at some point this week. Other then the pulsing idle everything seems to be OK, which the dyno tune should fix the idle. __________________ JLT CAI, FRPP 4.10s, FRPP Hot Rods, FRPP x-pipe, FRPP TB, CMCV, UDP, Spydershaft, JBA Shorties, Flowmasters, Hurst Billet Plus, AM/Bama 93 race, BMR STB, BMR adj. panhard bar+brace, BMR LCA's, BMR UCA+mount, BMR front+rear swaybar, BMR A-arm brace.

May 3rd, 2009, 11:52 AM	#11
Anthony05GT Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,462 iTrader: 1 reviews	Yeah, when I did my cams Kevin spent a lot of time getting the idle shit right. __________________ JDM 302 Stroker, Whipple 10 rib 12 psi, L&M, JBA, J&M, LFP, Corsa, BBR Stage II cams, Manley, MGW, McLeod RST, Metco, Steeda, Autometer, CDC, Street Scene, SOS, Tuned at JPC Racing by Kevin MacDonald

May 3rd, 2009, 01:21 PM	#12
07 STROKER MM's resident Juice head 07 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA Posts: 7,920 iTrader: 0 reviews	change your oil if you left it flooded overnight...guess where the fuel went? __________________ The MGW short throw shifter Its not just a shifter...It's a lifestyle!

May 3rd, 2009, 01:30 PM	#14
07 STROKER MM's resident Juice head 07 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA Posts: 7,920 iTrader: 0 reviews	i wouldint, but thats me 5 20 only for me. __________________ The MGW short throw shifter Its not just a shifter...It's a lifestyle!

May 3rd, 2009, 07:13 PM	#16
joeice14 Hardcore Enthusiast 2006 Mustang GT Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: new york Posts: 1,657 iTrader: 2 reviews	Hmm I am thinking of startin my install tonight... Remove everything, intake pelum, valve covers and make some room around too work... Send stuff out to get powdercoated tomorrow and then get started... I just need to pick up a torque wrench... Cant find mine... I need a inches to pounds one correct??? __________________ Mods: Some Intake Shit...

May 3rd, 2009, 07:35 PM	#17
Anthony05GT Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,462 iTrader: 1 reviews	Yeah, you need a 3/8'' drive inch/pound torque wrench. __________________ JDM 302 Stroker, Whipple 10 rib 12 psi, L&M, JBA, J&M, LFP, Corsa, BBR Stage II cams, Manley, MGW, McLeod RST, Metco, Steeda, Autometer, CDC, Street Scene, SOS, Tuned at JPC Racing by Kevin MacDonald

May 3rd, 2009, 07:47 PM	#18
usafimj I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2007 Ford Mustang GT 12.847 @ 114.12mph Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oklahoma City, Ok. Posts: 5,084 iTrader: 1 reviews	joeice you don't need to take the intake off. it does not interfere with the install __________________ 07 GT-- Gone But Not Forgotten Military Crew E-5

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