CNC Porting, Fox Lake or Livernois

xxxcobraxxx · June 24th, 2009, 01:49 PM

I want to get my heads ported but I have a late build 08 GT with the newer style spark plug. No body has cores for these instock so I have to send my heads out to get them ported. Ive narrowed it down to Fox Lake and Livernois. Do you guys prefer one or the other. Fox Lake is about 2-3 weeks to port and Livernois says about 5-7 days. Down time really isnt an issue. Ive searched and found both are reputable. I talk to Ron at Fox Lake and I like that its a smaller shop and Ron seems stand up but Livernois has its reputation. Im looking at stage 2 heads, I have basic bolt on, 4.10s, lt, c&l racer, Comp 127500s. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

07 STROKER · June 24th, 2009, 01:50 PM

if they both CNC port, I know Livernois does...they will be VERY close as far as performance goes.

xxxcobraxxx · June 24th, 2009, 01:55 PM

They both CNC, I compared flow numbers which both look good (no velocity #s). One thing that kinda scares me is the problem you (07 procharger) ran into with Livernois....

07stanggt · June 24th, 2009, 02:03 PM

Sorry i never got back to you on that question. I guess you got the answer yourself. So Livernois has no 08+ heads?

chad05gt · June 24th, 2009, 02:08 PM

When I called Rick about mine, there were no 05' heads, I told them what valves and such that I wanted, paid in advance w/ a lil discout

xxxcobraxxx · June 24th, 2009, 02:17 PM

Its cool Rich, I know you got a lot going on right now with your ride.....
Sorry by the way....

Damn I wish they had the 08 heads, then my ride wouldnt have to sit for
4-5 weeks.

Should I upgrade valves or move to stage 3 with my mods??

I want to stay all motor.

07stanggt · June 24th, 2009, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by xxxcobraxxx

Its cool Rich, I know you got a lot going on right now with your ride.....
Sorry by the way....

Damn I wish they had the 08 heads, then my ride wouldnt have to sit for
4-5 weeks.

Should I upgrade valves or move to stage 3 with my mods??

I want to stay all motor.

So you called livernois and they said no on the 08 heads?

I dont really beleive in stage III heads on a street car and/or on a n/a car.

Many people smarter then me would disagree but thats just me.

You look at any car n/a running stage III heads and some running stage III cams, they dyno at best the same or a lot lower then me. They run slower, they trap less. the 1/4 is all setup for sure but the point being is there is not one shread of evidence out there that they are better on basically stock bottom end, dd, n/a car. I mean if i were stroked, ported, bored, and 11.1 i run stage III. But i would drive my car like once a month and haul it to the track.

If i had to do it all over again, im in stage II heads and Stage II cams, wouldn't change one thing.

xxxcobraxxx · June 24th, 2009, 02:34 PM

I talked to Rick at Livernois, he said no 08 heads only 05 heads in stock, I was kinda bummed. I hit up Sutton and BBR (no response from BBR yet). Check on my employee price with Ford and bare casting are like $800.00 a side.

I will stick with the stage 2 heads, I already have the high load valve springs and retainers from comp (26125-24) installed on my stock head so that will
save some money there.

xxxcobraxxx · June 24th, 2009, 06:53 PM

Livernois called and said they can get me 08 casting heads in 2 weeks so I dont have to send in my heads which is great news. I asked if I should swap my comp high load springs in in exchange for there springs, they want to check with the shop foreman and will let me know.

07stanggt · June 24th, 2009, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by xxxcobraxxx

Livernois called and said they can get me 08 casting heads in 2 weeks so I dont have to send in my heads which is great news. I asked if I should swap my comp high load springs in in exchange for there springs, they want to check with the shop foreman and will let me know.

no

xxxcobraxxx · June 25th, 2009, 10:51 AM

Damn..... Livernois called me back this am and said they can not get the new casting head. Im back to pulling the heads and sending them in. So back to the orignal question..... Fox Lake or Livernois??

07 STROKER · June 25th, 2009, 10:56 AM

i cant help you. Ive never ran a fox lake head.....Rich will help here im sure.

stangnewb · June 25th, 2009, 02:40 PM

Rich's bud GERMANSHEPARD runs fox lake ported heads i believe. OP might want to contact him, he is a member on this board and s197forum. I think one of the ford magazines did an article on the fox lake heads for the newer mustang.....porting was done with velocity in mind according to the article.

xxxcobraxxx · June 25th, 2009, 03:50 PM

cool, thanks stangnewb, Ill send him a pm.

stangnewb · June 25th, 2009, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by xxxcobraxxx

cool, thanks stangnewb, Ill send him a pm.

Here is a link to the magazine article i mentioned earlier Fox Lake 3v Heads

germansheperd · June 25th, 2009, 05:28 PM

Guys i have been saying for awhile Fox-Lake.Dont get suckered into Livernois' advertisements-seem to be having alot of head issues and strokers that are worthless.

xxxcobraxxx · June 25th, 2009, 05:58 PM

Thanks for chiming in germanshepard.... and thanks stangnewb for the link for the Fox lake heads.

Something else to throw out, I just found out the techo (1 hour away from me) does cnc porting? Any thoughts on them?

Thanks again guys for all the opinions!!!

Anthony05GT · June 25th, 2009, 06:26 PM

Go stage 2, not stage 3 for the street.

June 24th, 2009, 01:49 PM	#1
xxxcobraxxx Newbie Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 37 iTrader: 0 reviews	CNC Porting, Fox Lake or Livernois I want to get my heads ported but I have a late build 08 GT with the newer style spark plug. No body has cores for these instock so I have to send my heads out to get them ported. Ive narrowed it down to Fox Lake and Livernois. Do you guys prefer one or the other. Fox Lake is about 2-3 weeks to port and Livernois says about 5-7 days. Down time really isnt an issue. Ive searched and found both are reputable. I talk to Ron at Fox Lake and I like that its a smaller shop and Ron seems stand up but Livernois has its reputation. Im looking at stage 2 heads, I have basic bolt on, 4.10s, lt, c&l racer, Comp 127500s. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

June 24th, 2009, 01:50 PM	#2
07 STROKER MM's resident Juice head 07 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA Posts: 7,920 iTrader: 0 reviews	if they both CNC port, I know Livernois does...they will be VERY close as far as performance goes. __________________ The MGW short throw shifter Its not just a shifter...It's a lifestyle!

June 25th, 2009, 10:56 AM	#12
07 STROKER MM's resident Juice head 07 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA Posts: 7,920 iTrader: 0 reviews	i cant help you. Ive never ran a fox lake head.....Rich will help here im sure. __________________ The MGW short throw shifter Its not just a shifter...It's a lifestyle!

June 25th, 2009, 05:28 PM	#16
germansheperd Regular 2008 Mustang GT 12.13@111.63 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 287 iTrader: 0 reviews	Guys i have been saying for awhile Fox-Lake.Dont get suckered into Livernois' advertisements-seem to be having alot of head issues and strokers that are worthless. __________________ N/A Automatic 3V GT-Nuff said Can we please have George W. Bush back?

June 25th, 2009, 06:26 PM	#18
Anthony05GT Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,462 iTrader: 1 reviews	Go stage 2, not stage 3 for the street. __________________ JDM 302 Stroker, Whipple 10 rib 12 psi, L&M, JBA, J&M, LFP, Corsa, BBR Stage II cams, Manley, MGW, McLeod RST, Metco, Steeda, Autometer, CDC, Street Scene, SOS, Tuned at JPC Racing by Kevin MacDonald

June 24th, 2009, 01:55 PM	#3
xxxcobraxxx Newbie Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 37 iTrader: 0 reviews	They both CNC, I compared flow numbers which both look good (no velocity #s). One thing that kinda scares me is the problem you (07 procharger) ran into with Livernois....

June 24th, 2009, 02:03 PM	#4
07stanggt I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2007 GT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ellicott City, MD Posts: 11,950 iTrader: 1 reviews	Sorry i never got back to you on that question. I guess you got the answer yourself. So Livernois has no 08+ heads?

June 24th, 2009, 02:17 PM	#6
xxxcobraxxx Newbie Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 37 iTrader: 0 reviews	Its cool Rich, I know you got a lot going on right now with your ride..... Sorry by the way.... Damn I wish they had the 08 heads, then my ride wouldnt have to sit for 4-5 weeks. Should I upgrade valves or move to stage 3 with my mods?? I want to stay all motor.

June 24th, 2009, 02:34 PM	#8
xxxcobraxxx Newbie Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 37 iTrader: 0 reviews	I talked to Rick at Livernois, he said no 08 heads only 05 heads in stock, I was kinda bummed. I hit up Sutton and BBR (no response from BBR yet). Check on my employee price with Ford and bare casting are like $800.00 a side. I will stick with the stage 2 heads, I already have the high load valve springs and retainers from comp (26125-24) installed on my stock head so that will save some money there.

June 24th, 2009, 06:53 PM	#9
xxxcobraxxx Newbie Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 37 iTrader: 0 reviews	Livernois called and said they can get me 08 casting heads in 2 weeks so I dont have to send in my heads which is great news. I asked if I should swap my comp high load springs in in exchange for there springs, they want to check with the shop foreman and will let me know.

June 25th, 2009, 10:51 AM	#11
xxxcobraxxx Newbie Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 37 iTrader: 0 reviews	Damn..... Livernois called me back this am and said they can not get the new casting head. Im back to pulling the heads and sending them in. So back to the orignal question..... Fox Lake or Livernois??

June 25th, 2009, 02:40 PM	#13
stangnewb Regular 2008 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mauldin, SC Posts: 329 iTrader: 0 reviews	Rich's bud GERMANSHEPARD runs fox lake ported heads i believe. OP might want to contact him, he is a member on this board and s197forum. I think one of the ford magazines did an article on the fox lake heads for the newer mustang.....porting was done with velocity in mind according to the article.

June 25th, 2009, 03:50 PM	#14
xxxcobraxxx Newbie Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 37 iTrader: 0 reviews	cool, thanks stangnewb, Ill send him a pm.

June 25th, 2009, 05:58 PM	#17
xxxcobraxxx Newbie Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 37 iTrader: 0 reviews	Thanks for chiming in germanshepard.... and thanks stangnewb for the link for the Fox lake heads. Something else to throw out, I just found out the techo (1 hour away from me) does cnc porting? Any thoughts on them? Thanks again guys for all the opinions!!!

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