[Micro Ford]

Hey every one,
I have been away for about a year but now back and this question may have been asked already but I am going to ask it never the less.

I have been hearing some talk that the 2011 GT will be packing quite the punch with a 302 5.0 with 400+ HP. Also I herd rumored that Ford may be putting on an independent rear suspension on the GT? can any one confirm this or deny this.

Also which do you like better the 2009GT or the 2010GT?

Thanks guys.

[IronStomach]

Originally Posted by Micro Ford Hey every one, I have been away for about a year but now back and this question may have been asked already but I am going to ask it never the less. I have been hearing some talk that the 2011 GT will be packing quite the punch with a 302 5.0 with 400+ HP. Also I herd rumored that Ford may be putting on an independent rear suspension on the GT? can any one confirm this or deny this. Also which do you like better the 2009GT or the 2010GT? Thanks guys.

You're right, this has been talked to death, but... hp/tq #s are still highly speculative, it's a newly designed 5.0 and should get anywhere from 350-400. Ford probably won't use everything it's capable of for the first year out, especially if it's thinking of special editions.

Also speculation on 6 speed transmissions for auto and manual.

I wish they'd do the IRS and get it over with to keep the ninnies quiet and keep the current rear as an option for people like me who like the way the car rides as is.

I like my 2008 GT better than the 2010, but hey, 50 years down the road if people get a silly nostalgia for interpretations of even older classics, then the 2010 GT will probably command a premium since it's got the redesign but still has the old generation powerplant. I'm keeping mine until it falls apart or they stop selling gasoline.

[unlicensed to drive]

Originally Posted by EfylSetaf You're right, this has been talked to death, but... hp/tq #s are still highly speculative, it's a newly designed 5.0 and should get anywhere from 350-400. Ford probably won't use everything it's capable of for the first year out, especially if it's thinking of special editions. Also speculation on 6 speed transmissions for auto and manual. I wish they'd do the IRS and get it over with to keep the ninnies quiet and keep the current rear as an option for people like me who like the way the car rides as is. I like my 2008 GT better than the 2010, but hey, 50 years down the road if people get a silly nostalgia for interpretations of even older classics, then the 2010 GT will probably command a premium since it's got the redesign but still has the old generation powerplant. I'm keeping mine until it falls apart or they stop selling gasoline.

For 2011, the 5.0 4V V8 for GT is confirmed, 3.7 4V V6 is confirmed, 6-speed auto is confirmed(I think it's going in the GT and V6), 6-speed manual is not yet confirmed(if/when it is, I think it will be in GT and V6), 5.0 4V V8 factory power rating is unknown, but estimated to be close to 400 HP, and 3.7 4V V6 factory power rating is unknown, but people are saying 265-270 HP.

[NastyFX4]

I bet you won't see 400 hp in a GT. I bet it'll be 350 hp. It's all speculation anyways. I highly doubt they will go to a IRS. We don't want it, they know that !!

[stanglifemike]

Please Ford, no IRS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Micro Ford]

O my I will waite to buy the 2011GT so I can shut the Chevy guys up with there 400Hp V8 tank.

[stanglifemike]

I would like the interior from a 2010 and the 5.0 4V to be in my 06. I still cant dig the new bodystyle. Maybe it will grow on me, but I dont see that happening.....

[unlicensed to drive]

Originally Posted by NastyStang113 I bet you won't see 400 hp in a GT. I bet it'll be 350 hp. It's all speculation anyways. I highly doubt they will go to a IRS. We don't want it, they know that !!

Now that I think of it, I wouldn't be surprised at all, I guess we'll learn that a engine displacement increase in the mustang does not mean a huge power increase. Like Ford hasn't disappointed us before. LOL


Then again, I don't see why Ford would spend several years and a lot of money developing a brand new engine with brand new technology to end up only giving it a miniscule power increase over the outgoing engine.

[Micro Ford]

Originally Posted by stanglifemike I would like the interior from a 2010 and the 5.0 4V to be in my 06. I still cant dig the new bodystyle. Maybe it will grow on me, but I dont see that happening.....

The 2010's interior is much better, I mean I am a tall guy as you see in the pic next to Blair Buttler, but the raised arm rest hurts my elbow when I shift. That is why I like the smooth armrest. I am nitpicking but also I think the lines are better on the new one, but I still got love for the 06 model.

[NastyFX4]

Originally Posted by mustangfan123 Then again, I don't see why Ford would spend several years and a lot of money developing a brand new engine with brand new technology to end up only giving it a miniscule power increase over the outgoing engine.

They've done it every single year to us ... Trust me. I will be very surprised if we get any thing close to 400 hp in a 2011 Mustang. Where's the "Hurricane" motor? Where's the "Boss" motor? The F150 guys get short changed with new models but it doesn't ever effect sales. Ford knows the aftermarket is so large for Mustangs and F150s that it will cover them. History has proven it. +

[IronStomach]

Originally Posted by NastyStang113 They've done it every single year to us ... Trust me. I will be very surprised if we get any thing close to 400 hp in a 2011 Mustang. Where's the "Hurricane" motor? Where's the "Boss" motor? The F150 guys get short changed with new models but it doesn't ever effect sales. Ford knows the aftermarket is so large for Mustangs and F150s that it will cover them. History has proven it. +

Proven what? The 4.6 is the same damn motor that's been in the GT for how many years? They can't get any more power out of it from the factory, that's why they scrapped the darn thing and designed and built the 5.0. In fact, I bet you that's why FRPP has an intake: I bet if they could have gotten 350 from the factory on the 4.6, they wouldn't have signed the R&D check on the 5.0. Ford scrapped the Boss in favor of the new 5.0.

Granted, I can't see them putting out 400hp the first year out, but we're all gonna have to wait and see what it is. Trying to say what Ford will do with this new engine is a waste of time: it's the first new engine in the GT for a while now and we have no information on it.

[unlicensed to drive]

Originally Posted by NastyStang113 They've done it every single year to us ... Trust me. I will be very surprised if we get any thing close to 400 hp in a 2011 Mustang. Where's the "Hurricane" motor? Where's the "Boss" motor? The F150 guys get short changed with new models but it doesn't ever effect sales. Ford knows the aftermarket is so large for Mustangs and F150s that it will cover them. History has proven it. +

The BOSS motor is the 400 HP 6.2 that will be available in the SVT Raptor, Ford says it won't be available until fall 2011. I'm pretty sure the Hurricane motor got scrapped. Ford is working on a new dual fuel, twin turbo version of the "Coyote" 5.0 though, called the "Bobcat".

Sneak Peek! Ford's "Bobcat" Dual Fuel Engine - PickupTrucks.com News

It sucks that what Ford does to improve their products seems to be almost completely dependent on sales. So I guess Ford will only vastly improve there product if sales continuously slump, well that's a drag.

I get what you mean by the aftermarket for the mustang/f-150, it IS large.

[IronStomach]

Originally Posted by mustangfan123 It sucks that what Ford does to improve their products seems to be almost completely dependent on sales. So I guess Ford will only vastly improve there product if sales continuously slump, well that's a drag.

It's hard to draw parallels to Ford's past right now. They're the only independant US auto manufacturer right now and they're not doing bad. They've got good product out there and better coming. Most of that credit goes to Mulally. He turned Boing around when everyone thought that was a lost cause.


That said, Ford is still in business, the Mustang is still for sale. Ford does a good job of doing both....

[AMmuslGT]

even if they don't have 400hp people will still buy them. people here 5.0L and think omg look how fast old 5.0's are. this one can be jusat as fast

[NastyFX4]

EfylSetaf, I think you're missing my point.

[DejaBlue87]

now ill have to do even more mods to my car just to keep up lol..

[IronStomach]

Originally Posted by NastyStang113 EfylSetaf, I think you're missing my point.

Sort of. The point is the aftermarket isn't really covering the base for the GT crowd right now: the competition has more bullet points in the dealerships when it comes to performance. Ford will fix that. I certainly agree with you that it won't be any 400 hp out of the bag, but what I'm trying to say is we have no basis for saying it'll be 350, 375, 325, or even 400.
None.
New engine.
Ford's bringing the competition.
And they just spent a boatload on R&D for a new powerplant in a recession: something people do NOT do.

My takeaway from this: Ford knows it needs to sustain sales in the Mustang segment with some real product right now. They already just sold out of four wheeled nostalgia, and Mulally is an outsider to the Ford executive culture: he won't think or push like Ford's historically done. That's why I'm not gonna guess where the numbers come in as they could literally be anywhere between 315 and 400. Who knows, cause know one here does.

That's all I'm saying, not trying to be a spitfire, man, just kind of long winded today, was a good workout.

[navyman8903]

I really want a 400 hp 5.0 that would be amazing. And if they let you get 3.73's with a FR3 track pak that would be soo sick.

[Micro Ford]

Originally Posted by navyman8903 I really want a 400 hp 5.0 that would be amazing. And if they let you get 3.73's with a FR3 track pak that would be soo sick.

Why would you want 3.73's? its all about the 5.73's! lol I am just kidding!

[acidtonic]

I hear the Ford guys here at work saying 400 is where she will be. Thats still word of mouth and not any secret inside company info.

I mean think about what our 4.6 4v bored to 5.0 makes. Now add variable valve timing, new cylinder heads, possibly direct injection....

400hp better be at least what it makes.... Audi's aging 4.2 liter makes 450hp in the RS4 screaming to 8600rpm with direct injection.

Now I just hope this thing doesnt give them any excuses to make the car any heavier.... My guess is it might be detuned or restricted somehow to allow for the GT500 tier products to be a bit faster.

Seriously 400hp seems conservative for this power plant. People are hitting 100hp/liter on 4.6 blocks with old tech and static valve timing.

Since Ford is focused on efficiency now I think they will have to make it a high hp per liter motor since thats the only way to increase mileage and a nice side effect is the increased horsepower.

We'll see though and I'm keeping my ears open here at Ford