Haney Motorsports Catch Can / Separator / Breather / PCV filter

DiMora · September 17th, 2009, 01:24 PM

I just added a Haney motorsports "Catch Can" to my TVS setup.

Engine Oil Vapor Separator Catch Can at HMS

It is amazing, as you guys know I got dyno tuned yesterday, and I put 74 miles on the car yesterday as well (had to take it to work to try it out). Anyway, when I installed this catch can last night and this morning, there was already oil in the PCV line and also you could see a smidge on the throttle body butterflies.

I did some reading up on our PCV system. Here is how it works in simple terms on our cars: The line that runs from the air intake to the passenger side valve cover is the engine's fresh air inlet. That is why you don't need to worry about putting a catch can or separator on the passenger side...any crud in that line (should actually just be filtered fresh air) flows INTO the passenger side valve cover. The PCV line that runs from the DRIVER's side valve cover into either your supercharger inlet elbow or your plastic intake manifold if you aren't blown is the line that sucks harmful fumes out of the engine. That is the line that, if you don't have a catch can, and ESPECIALLY if you are boosted, sucks oil from the driver's side valve cover and deposits it into your intercooler, your throttle body, and can deposit on valves, foul spark plugs, and cause detonation (effectively lowering your fuel's octane).

I've known about this for a while, but when I ran the M90, I called Roush and the guy I spoke with said it "wasn't a big deal and not really needed" so I didn't add one.

Well I have now seen 2 superchargers that were removed after use- the M90 when I bought it (it was used) and the M90 when I removed it, and both times there was a good amount of oil mess in the supercharger elbow, on the rotors, on the bypass vale butterfly, and on the intercooler inner radiator fins.

That is why I decided to go ahead and add one.

The PCV system ALSO helps with windage (pressure created in the crankcase as the pistons move up and down). The fact that you are "ventilating" the engine also helps remove any moisture, etc. that might be present internally as atmospheric conditions change. It is said that this also helps prevent engine sludge.

And the tree-hugging aspect is it re-routes harmful gasses back into the intake to be burned.

That is why I decided to go "catch-can" vs. just putting breathers on. I'm talking the sludge and moisture thing, not the tree-hugging thing

(Not that there's anything wrong with that)

Some info on what I used:

The Haney catch can has 1/8 NPT (National Pipe Thread) taps. The universal kit comes with a 180 and a 90 degree 1/8 NPT to 3/8 barb fittings, anodized in black.

What I did was I took the breather line from my Roush TVS blower and modified it.

I really wanted this:

available at:

Radford Brothers Industrial Supply Union Reducer 3/8 x 1/2 In Tube Sz Brass

But I had to make do with what my local Ace hardware had in the plumbing section since I wanted it up and running today. What I used was a 3/8 barb to male thread, a 1/2 barb to male thread, and a female coupler. I made two of those.

I then cut my stock PCV line, heated it with my heat gun, and slipped it over my 1/2 barb, then used the 3/8 line Haney supplied in the Universal kit to run from my adapter to the catch can. I sealed my brass fitting connections and the catch can fittings with plumbers tape.

I'm pleased with it. It is not near as cool as going with braided hoses; I may switch to that later, but it uses Ford OEM quick releases still and should meet my needs.

Pics:

The catch can:

Driver's side valve cover to catch can top (cover). You can see my adapter:

On the catch can to supercharger intake elbow, I kept about 8" of the OEM hard plastic tubing so as to keep the 90 degree elbow, then added my adapter and enough Haney supplied 3/8" line to run to the can lower fitting:

Here is my OEM Ford PCV to supercharger fitting, with the quick release still intact.

The drain:

05roush0090 · September 18th, 2009, 05:53 AM

Nice piece, I may have to check that out in further detail.

MaverickMLFD371 · September 18th, 2009, 10:46 AM

I just ordered mine from UPR, hopefully it gets here soon. great write up!

dragrace4fun · September 28th, 2009, 02:43 AM

First time I saw the puff of smoke on a launch, I swore I had burnt a ring, heh. I've only recently learned of the vent line's function. I read that someone said this was a vent for elimination of pressure against the piston in its upward motion, thus pushing gases and oil mist into the intake system for consumption. Greater RPM increased the effect, thus the cloud of smoke on launch. I've cleaned my TB blades once around 40k miles as they were FILTHY from this crap. I'll be catch-canning mine in the future. I would've been rather upset to see that in my super if I had one...thanks for the write-up on this!

DiMora · October 8th, 2009, 12:35 PM

For what it is worth, gentlemen (and I haven't drained it yet for the first time but will soon do so with a video) my car is smoking a lot less on startup. It never smoked bad, but there was always a little something.

Also, on my tuning session last week, my timing was nice and even with no spikes and no timing pulled by the car's computer.

I am thus far very happy with this mod - and it looks like the cat's jammies!

Anthony05GT · October 8th, 2009, 10:20 PM

I'm going to take the plunge on this.

NastyFX4 · October 8th, 2009, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anthony05GT

I'm going to take the plunge on this.

This catch can?

Anthony05GT · October 9th, 2009, 08:16 AM

I like this one. I don't like the price though. Rather than ordering it online I'm going to call and see if I can save a few bucks on it unless you or somebody have any other ideas.

HOLLYWD69 · October 9th, 2009, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Anthony05GT

I like this one. I don't like the price though. Rather than ordering it online I'm going to call and see if I can save a few bucks on it unless you or somebody have any other ideas.

Yea it is a little pricey!

DiMora · October 9th, 2009, 10:39 AM

There are other cans you can use and fab up with braided lines, or vacuum hose, etc...Stef's, Moroso, etc.

Also this one:

Billet PCV Catch Cans

Cans:

Moroso #85471 ($99):

Moroso : Category Display

85471 - JEGS High Performance

Stef's #5122 ($137):

Stef's 5122

I just wanted something that would be relatively plug n play. I still had to make those brass adapters and use my heat gun, but overall it was an easy install. If you go Haney and add those brass nipples I posted above you would be all set.

I said brass nipples uh huh huh huh

Anthony05GT · October 9th, 2009, 12:33 PM

Thank you.

06VistaGT · October 9th, 2009, 12:36 PM

nice unit. I personally use the UPR piece, but a good catch can is a must.

Anthony05GT · October 9th, 2009, 04:04 PM

Yeah well, I'm finding that out. My damn separator is a piece of shit. Every time I pull the throttle body to clean it not only do I see build up on it, but the blower inlet has a nice little puddle of oil right in the low spot of the casting. I think I might have got about 3k miles out of my Autolite HTO plugs. I just put another set in a couple of weeks ago and I'd like to get about 10k out of them this time.

DiMora, I really appreciate all the links bro! I just ordered this one> Billet PCV Catch Cans

DiMora · October 9th, 2009, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anthony05GT

Yeah well, I'm finding that out. My damn separator is a piece of shit. Every time I pull the throttle body to clean it not only do I see build up on it, but the blower inlet has a nice little puddle of oil right in the low spot of the casting. I think I might have got about 3k miles out of my Autolite HTO plugs. I just put another set in a couple of weeks ago and I'd like to get about 10k out of them this time.

DiMora, I really appreciate all the links bro! I just ordered this one> Billet PCV Catch Cans

Not a problem at all, glad to help. Nice choice...looks good and the price is right! The media almost looks like 3M scotch-Brite scrubbie pad material...that should work well I would think.

menace07 · October 9th, 2009, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by 06VistaGT

nice unit. I personally use the UPR piece, but a good catch can is a must.

all of these catch can/breather threads have been very informative. Vista, how do you like the UPR piece? Thinking about pulling the trigger on one.

06VistaGT · October 10th, 2009, 02:39 PM

its a good piece. It does what it's supposed to. Very good quality. I like it so far.

menace07 · October 10th, 2009, 02:47 PM

sweet, thanks

DiMora · October 12th, 2009, 04:55 PM

Here is yet another one, boys and girls:

C6 and C5 Corvette Chrome PCV Oil Catch Can

Anthony05GT · October 12th, 2009, 04:57 PM

OK, quit it!

DiMora · October 12th, 2009, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anthony05GT

OK, quit it!

That's one is 170 and comes with no fittings, LOL. But it sure looks sweet.

Post up pics when you get your installed, Anthony!

September 17th, 2009, 01:24 PM	#1
DiMora More Is Better. 2006 Roush Stage 1 Blown Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Acworth, GA Posts: 2,911 iTrader: 1 reviews	Haney Motorsports Catch Can / Separator / Breather / PCV filter I just added a Haney motorsports "Catch Can" to my TVS setup. Engine Oil Vapor Separator Catch Can at HMS It is amazing, as you guys know I got dyno tuned yesterday, and I put 74 miles on the car yesterday as well (had to take it to work to try it out). Anyway, when I installed this catch can last night and this morning, there was already oil in the PCV line and also you could see a smidge on the throttle body butterflies. I did some reading up on our PCV system. Here is how it works in simple terms on our cars: The line that runs from the air intake to the passenger side valve cover is the engine's fresh air inlet. That is why you don't need to worry about putting a catch can or separator on the passenger side...any crud in that line (should actually just be filtered fresh air) flows INTO the passenger side valve cover. The PCV line that runs from the DRIVER's side valve cover into either your supercharger inlet elbow or your plastic intake manifold if you aren't blown is the line that sucks harmful fumes out of the engine. That is the line that, if you don't have a catch can, and ESPECIALLY if you are boosted, sucks oil from the driver's side valve cover and deposits it into your intercooler, your throttle body, and can deposit on valves, foul spark plugs, and cause detonation (effectively lowering your fuel's octane). I've known about this for a while, but when I ran the M90, I called Roush and the guy I spoke with said it "wasn't a big deal and not really needed" so I didn't add one. Well I have now seen 2 superchargers that were removed after use- the M90 when I bought it (it was used) and the M90 when I removed it, and both times there was a good amount of oil mess in the supercharger elbow, on the rotors, on the bypass vale butterfly, and on the intercooler inner radiator fins. That is why I decided to go ahead and add one. The PCV system ALSO helps with windage (pressure created in the crankcase as the pistons move up and down). The fact that you are "ventilating" the engine also helps remove any moisture, etc. that might be present internally as atmospheric conditions change. It is said that this also helps prevent engine sludge. And the tree-hugging aspect is it re-routes harmful gasses back into the intake to be burned. That is why I decided to go "catch-can" vs. just putting breathers on. I'm talking the sludge and moisture thing, not the tree-hugging thing (Not that there's anything wrong with that) Some info on what I used: The Haney catch can has 1/8 NPT (National Pipe Thread) taps. The universal kit comes with a 180 and a 90 degree 1/8 NPT to 3/8 barb fittings, anodized in black. What I did was I took the breather line from my Roush TVS blower and modified it. I really wanted this: available at: Radford Brothers Industrial Supply Union Reducer 3/8 x 1/2 In Tube Sz Brass But I had to make do with what my local Ace hardware had in the plumbing section since I wanted it up and running today. What I used was a 3/8 barb to male thread, a 1/2 barb to male thread, and a female coupler. I made two of those. I then cut my stock PCV line, heated it with my heat gun, and slipped it over my 1/2 barb, then used the 3/8 line Haney supplied in the Universal kit to run from my adapter to the catch can. I sealed my brass fitting connections and the catch can fittings with plumbers tape. I'm pleased with it. It is not near as cool as going with braided hoses; I may switch to that later, but it uses Ford OEM quick releases still and should meet my needs. Pics: The catch can: Driver's side valve cover to catch can top (cover). You can see my adapter: On the catch can to supercharger intake elbow, I kept about 8" of the OEM hard plastic tubing so as to keep the 90 degree elbow, then added my adapter and enough Haney supplied 3/8" line to run to the can lower fitting: Here is my OEM Ford PCV to supercharger fitting, with the quick release still intact. The drain: __________________ Roush Short shifter / Carmen's 3.47" TVS pulley Roush TVS Supercharger Steeda suspension /Big Brakes Mac L/T's / Prochamber / Roush Extremes KB BAP "Daily Driver" RWHP: 492@9 PSI w/ LT's "Dyno Queen": 512@12 PSI-stock exhaust Mods in Garage

September 18th, 2009, 05:53 AM	#2
05roush0090 Enthusiast 2005 Mustang GT Roush Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 735 iTrader: 0 reviews	Nice piece, I may have to check that out in further detail. __________________ 2005 BLACK Mustang GT Roush #05-0090 DOB manifold, m122 SC, gt500 TB, 52lbers, KB BAP, AFCO HE,Brisk plugs, Mac Lt's, Off road x, Roush TVS CAI, Detroit rocker sc grind cams, Brenspeed 93 tune, 10 psi (2.875" pulley) 470rwhp-419ftlbs sae

September 18th, 2009, 10:46 AM	#3
MaverickMLFD371 Hardcore Enthusiast 2005 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,462 iTrader: 0 reviews	I just ordered mine from UPR, hopefully it gets here soon. great write up! __________________ 2005 Ford Mustang GT - Sonic Blue FRPP/Whipple Supercharger Intercooled 495 RWHP / 504 RWTQ SAE Corrected @ 11psi Tuned by Kevin @ Wicked Motorsports

September 28th, 2009, 02:43 AM	#4
dragrace4fun "Spectre" Veteran 2006 Mustang GT Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere Nice, Florida Posts: 454 iTrader: 0 reviews	First time I saw the puff of smoke on a launch, I swore I had burnt a ring, heh. I've only recently learned of the vent line's function. I read that someone said this was a vent for elimination of pressure against the piston in its upward motion, thus pushing gases and oil mist into the intake system for consumption. Greater RPM increased the effect, thus the cloud of smoke on launch. I've cleaned my TB blades once around 40k miles as they were FILTHY from this crap. I'll be catch-canning mine in the future. I would've been rather upset to see that in my super if I had one...thanks for the write-up on this! __________________ 2006 Mustang GT SCT Bama Tuned, C&L Racer CAI, GMS Hot Streets, MotoBlue UDPs, OBX LT & O/R-H, American Thunders, Pro 5.0 STS, DSS 1-pc D/S, FRPP P-springs/sways, JDM Strut Mounts, Tokico D-specs, Steeda UCA/LCAs, NT-450 275/50 all 4 corners

October 8th, 2009, 10:20 PM	#6
Anthony05GT Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,462 iTrader: 1 reviews	I'm going to take the plunge on this. __________________ JDM 302 Stroker, Whipple 10 rib 12 psi, L&M, JBA, J&M, LFP, Corsa, BBR Stage II cams, Manley, MGW, McLeod RST, Metco, Steeda, Autometer, CDC, Street Scene, SOS, Tuned at JPC Racing by Kevin MacDonald

October 8th, 2009, 12:35 PM	#5
DiMora More Is Better. 2006 Roush Stage 1 Blown Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Acworth, GA Posts: 2,911 iTrader: 1 reviews	For what it is worth, gentlemen (and I haven't drained it yet for the first time but will soon do so with a video) my car is smoking a lot less on startup. It never smoked bad, but there was always a little something. Also, on my tuning session last week, my timing was nice and even with no spikes and no timing pulled by the car's computer. I am thus far very happy with this mod - and it looks like the cat's jammies! __________________ Roush Short shifter / Carmen's 3.47" TVS pulley Roush TVS Supercharger Steeda suspension /Big Brakes Mac L/T's / Prochamber / Roush Extremes KB BAP "Daily Driver" RWHP: 492@9 PSI w/ LT's "Dyno Queen": 512@12 PSI-stock exhaust Mods in Garage

October 9th, 2009, 08:16 AM	#8
Anthony05GT Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,462 iTrader: 1 reviews	I like this one. I don't like the price though. Rather than ordering it online I'm going to call and see if I can save a few bucks on it unless you or somebody have any other ideas. __________________ JDM 302 Stroker, Whipple 10 rib 12 psi, L&M, JBA, J&M, LFP, Corsa, BBR Stage II cams, Manley, MGW, McLeod RST, Metco, Steeda, Autometer, CDC, Street Scene, SOS, Tuned at JPC Racing by Kevin MacDonald

October 9th, 2009, 10:39 AM	#10
DiMora More Is Better. 2006 Roush Stage 1 Blown Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Acworth, GA Posts: 2,911 iTrader: 1 reviews	There are other cans you can use and fab up with braided lines, or vacuum hose, etc...Stef's, Moroso, etc. Also this one: Billet PCV Catch Cans Cans: Moroso #85471 ($99): Moroso : Category Display 85471 - JEGS High Performance Stef's #5122 ($137): Stef's 5122 I just wanted something that would be relatively plug n play. I still had to make those brass adapters and use my heat gun, but overall it was an easy install. If you go Haney and add those brass nipples I posted above you would be all set. I said brass nipples uh huh huh huh __________________ Roush Short shifter / Carmen's 3.47" TVS pulley Roush TVS Supercharger Steeda suspension /Big Brakes Mac L/T's / Prochamber / Roush Extremes KB BAP "Daily Driver" RWHP: 492@9 PSI w/ LT's "Dyno Queen": 512@12 PSI-stock exhaust Mods in Garage Last edited by DiMora; October 9th, 2009 at 04:17 PM.

October 9th, 2009, 12:33 PM	#11
Anthony05GT Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,462 iTrader: 1 reviews	Thank you. __________________ JDM 302 Stroker, Whipple 10 rib 12 psi, L&M, JBA, J&M, LFP, Corsa, BBR Stage II cams, Manley, MGW, McLeod RST, Metco, Steeda, Autometer, CDC, Street Scene, SOS, Tuned at JPC Racing by Kevin MacDonald

October 9th, 2009, 12:36 PM	#12
06VistaGT Hardcore Enthusiast 2006 Mustang GT Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 1,874 iTrader: 0 reviews	nice unit. I personally use the UPR piece, but a good catch can is a must. __________________ Dyno vid: http://youtu.be/TkxUrW-mpBw

October 9th, 2009, 04:04 PM	#13
Anthony05GT Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,462 iTrader: 1 reviews	Yeah well, I'm finding that out. My damn separator is a piece of shit. Every time I pull the throttle body to clean it not only do I see build up on it, but the blower inlet has a nice little puddle of oil right in the low spot of the casting. I think I might have got about 3k miles out of my Autolite HTO plugs. I just put another set in a couple of weeks ago and I'd like to get about 10k out of them this time. DiMora, I really appreciate all the links bro! I just ordered this one> Billet PCV Catch Cans __________________ JDM 302 Stroker, Whipple 10 rib 12 psi, L&M, JBA, J&M, LFP, Corsa, BBR Stage II cams, Manley, MGW, McLeod RST, Metco, Steeda, Autometer, CDC, Street Scene, SOS, Tuned at JPC Racing by Kevin MacDonald Last edited by Anthony05GT; October 9th, 2009 at 04:17 PM.

October 10th, 2009, 02:39 PM	#16
06VistaGT Hardcore Enthusiast 2006 Mustang GT Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 1,874 iTrader: 0 reviews	its a good piece. It does what it's supposed to. Very good quality. I like it so far. __________________ Dyno vid: http://youtu.be/TkxUrW-mpBw

October 10th, 2009, 02:47 PM	#17
menace07 Enthusiast 2007 Mustang GT 13.7 @ 105 Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 818 iTrader: 0 reviews	sweet, thanks __________________ black 07 GT, jlt2 cai, sct2 brenspeed 93 octane tune, UDP's, spydershaft, triax, magnaflow catted x, steeda axleback, bad ass steeda suspension Stealth GT Twin Turbo System On The Way!!!!!!! STEEDA SUSPENSION CREW FOUNDER

October 12th, 2009, 04:55 PM	#18
DiMora More Is Better. 2006 Roush Stage 1 Blown Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Acworth, GA Posts: 2,911 iTrader: 1 reviews	Here is yet another one, boys and girls: C6 and C5 Corvette Chrome PCV Oil Catch Can __________________ Roush Short shifter / Carmen's 3.47" TVS pulley Roush TVS Supercharger Steeda suspension /Big Brakes Mac L/T's / Prochamber / Roush Extremes KB BAP "Daily Driver" RWHP: 492@9 PSI w/ LT's "Dyno Queen": 512@12 PSI-stock exhaust Mods in Garage

October 12th, 2009, 04:57 PM	#19
Anthony05GT Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,462 iTrader: 1 reviews	OK, quit it! __________________ JDM 302 Stroker, Whipple 10 rib 12 psi, L&M, JBA, J&M, LFP, Corsa, BBR Stage II cams, Manley, MGW, McLeod RST, Metco, Steeda, Autometer, CDC, Street Scene, SOS, Tuned at JPC Racing by Kevin MacDonald

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