[Mickey]

why will no one with a damn eforce post a dyno sheet...for the love of god

[06VistaGT]

Originally Posted by Mickey Thanks? maybe our definition of decent is different haha

Ok....let me rephrase...that's really good power for only 6-7psi. I only get 440rwhp with my whipple at 10psi, but its through an auto with a tci converter.

By decent I meant is that 400ish rwhp is decent power, 500ish rwhp is good, and 600ish rwhp is great.

[Mickey]

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[HBK_2007]

Originally Posted by shanec I told JDM I valued engine safety over power and insisted on very conservative tune. With a more-conservative-than-normal tune, I dynoed at 450tq/450rwhp. Their normal tune is supposed to produce 475 with this kit. I have more tq than other people with this setup. Probably because of my exhaust. When I put these Bassani LT's on last year at a time when all I had was CAI, I noticed it felt a lot torquier. Haven't been on the track and don't care to. Its just a fun DD. I know someone else with an identical setup, except he's an automatic and runs MT drag radials, and he ran 11.6's. I talked to Rob Simons many times during the install and according to him, all the issues I had have been taken care of in the manufacturing process. Starting with which serial number? I have no idea. I have #56 I think.

thats why i never buy anything when it first comes out

[onederful100]

Originally Posted by shanec I told JDM I valued engine safety over power and insisted on very conservative tune. With a more-conservative-than-normal tune, I dynoed at 450tq/450rwhp. Their normal tune is supposed to produce 475 with this kit.

what exactly does a "more-conservative-than-normal tune" mean?


heres Shanec's dyno chart with 20° of timing. is that what you mean by conservative?
Shane's E-Force Install Thread - Page 15 - MustangForums.com



sorry, but it's not more hp/tq in the lower rpm's than most other SC'ers. it is comparable, and it does make good power. but it's not superior.

[DiMora]

Originally Posted by onederful100 what exactly does a "more-conservative-than-normal tune" mean? heres Shanec's dyno chart with 20° of timing. is that what you mean by conservative? Shane's E-Force Install Thread - Page 15 - MustangForums.com sorry, but it's not more hp/tq in the lower rpm's than most other SC'ers. it is comparable, and it does make good power. but it's not superior.

Throw us up a whipple 2.3 chart please (with stock manifolds and cats, please)...anyone. Buehler?

[NastyFX4]

I go on vacation and this shit is still dragging out. I've got the answer to the original question, Flip a coin!

[Anthony05GT]

The TVS blower does make a tiny bit more power down low for example, at 3000 rpm's it will make about 415-425 ft lbs of torque compared to a Whipple which will make closer to 400-410 ft lbs at 3000 rpm's. The Whippled engine won't start dropping power up high just before the 6000 rpm range like a TVS. It will pull to 6500 easy without any drop off. It's a trade off as far as comparison goes. Both great systems.

[Mickey]

Originally Posted by onederful100 what exactly does a "more-conservative-than-normal tune" mean? heres Shanec's dyno chart with 20° of timing. is that what you mean by conservative? Shane's E-Force Install Thread - Page 15 - MustangForums.com sorry, but it's not more hp/tq in the lower rpm's than most other SC'ers. it is comparable, and it does make good power. but it's not superior.

what psi?

[unlicensed to drive]

On mustangforums, shanec said, "The general trend is a ramp to 11.5psi", so I guess 11.5 PSI?

[DiMora]

Why don't you guys get your dyno charts as a .drf file on a USB memory stick?

You can download the Winpep software from dynojet for free and produce any chart with any parameters you want to display based on your runs.

Just getting a printout from your tuner is lame.

[Mickey]

i have mine in an email from my tuner...not sure what youre talking about

i think all these bullshit claims about the eforce is what is lame...5% more torque this and more power in the lower rpms that, blah blah blah blah blah

i made 450rwhp on 11.5psi but that is only because i asked them to do a super dee dupiter conservative tune, blah blah blah...jesus christ already

[DiMora]

Originally Posted by Mickey i have mine in an email from my tuner...not sure what youre talking about i think all these bullshit claims about the eforce is what is lame...5% more torque this and more power in the lower rpms that, blah blah blah blah blah i made 450rwhp on 11.5psi but that is only because i asked them to do a super dee dupiter conservative tune, blah blah blah...jesus christ already

LOL!

That is why I want those .drf files for an Edelbrock and a Whipple - you can sort out all the BS very easily.

When you do a run on a dynojet, Mickey, the file record is saved as whatever name you want plus the extension .drf. (Dyno Run Files is what it stands for)

You can have the tuner give you your "run files" on a USB stick and then transfer them to your personal computer.

You then go to the dynojet website and download "WinPep". It is free. Use the application and open up your .drf files. You can look at multiple runs, compare them, choose parameters, make custom charts, etc.

You can look at A/F ratios, torque, horsepower, IAT's ...or any parameter your tuner chose to datalog during the dyno run - and chart them. You can change smoothing, correction factor (SAE or STD) etc.

I don't even ask for a printout after a pull...I just get the .drf's and study them at home. You can also zoom in and look at RPM's and A/F ratios very close to see if your tuner is meticulous or a slacker. My guy rocks.

Here you go, boys. Go get it. As of today, 10/31/09 it is Winpep version 7.5.2.

If you want to play with a dyno run file, PM me your e-mail address and I'll send you one of mine so you can toy with it.

Dynojet Research Inc. - Software - Downloads

[DiMora]

On the conservative tune issue, there are lots of ways to be conservative.

Bottom line is you don't want any detonation.

So I think you will agree that low boost is conservative.

A rich A/F ratio is conservative (11.4 to 11.8:1 - as you approach and exceed 12.0:1 it starts to become less conservative).

And low timing is conservative. Setting 17 degrees like I am running is pretty safe. Setting 23 degrees would be less conservative. Setting 25 and relying on the knock-sensors to pull back when knock is detected is not.

That is what folks are talking about.

[NastyFX4]

Jesus Shane, you and that gay Winpep program.

[menace07]

Originally Posted by Mickey i have mine in an email from my tuner...not sure what youre talking about i think all these bullshit claims about the eforce is what is lame...5% more torque this and more power in the lower rpms that, blah blah blah blah blah i made 450rwhp on 11.5psi but that is only because i asked them to do a super dee dupiter conservative tune, blah blah blah...jesus christ already

lmfao

[onederful100]

Originally Posted by Anthony05GT The TVS blower does make a tiny bit more power down low for example, at 3000 rpm's it will make about 415-425 ft lbs of torque compared to a Whipple which will make closer to 400-410 ft lbs at 3000 rpm's. The Whippled engine won't start dropping power up high just before the 6000 rpm range like a TVS. It will pull to 6500 easy without any drop off. It's a trade off as far as comparison goes. Both great systems.

if you go back 2 pages to the whipple chart i posted at 3k rpm's the torque is more like 450 @ 10 psi. at 8 psi mine is about 410-420 @ 3k rpm.

[Mickey]

pwnd!

[Anthony05GT]

Originally Posted by onederful100 if you go back 2 pages to the whipple chart i posted at 3k rpm's the torque is more like 450 2 10 psi. at 8 psi mine is about 410-420 @ 3k rpm.

I see that. It also depends on what correction factor you use and other variables too.

[shanec]

I few things about my chart

1) It is running rich. A/F is in the low 11's (measured in front of the cats...in the chart the numbers are different because they are measured behind the cats which is not cool). This is on purpose, and it also means less power than if it were tuned more optimally. This kit makes 475rwhp when it is dyno tuned. (But its not the peak number I refer to when claiming the E-Force is superior...its in the low and mid bands)

2) Timing is a conservative 20 degrees max.

3) Boost is 8 psi up to low 5,000's then it ramps up to about 12 6300 rpm or so.

4) I've got a spark blowout issue I've not gotten taken care of. I strongly suspect I kinked the coil wires in my COPs when I took them out a couple times before noticing if I'd just unplug the electrical connector they'd slide straight out instead of my bending them at a sharp angle to get them out.

Better comparison coming up...