351 swap

jonnieguns · November 17th, 2009, 09:31 AM

Has anyone tried this with a 5.8L from an F-150?

acmillr · November 17th, 2009, 09:33 AM

You wanting to go with a pushrod motor?

MustangMatt has a 351 in his SN95. I don't know if it's a C or W though.

07 STROKER · November 17th, 2009, 10:53 AM

W

06VistaBlueGT · November 17th, 2009, 11:17 AM

I'm alos thinking of a similar swap once I decide to make the car a dedicated strip car. BMR has a k-member to allow a windsor to fit. You might check with them.

BMR Sales · November 17th, 2009, 12:38 PM

We offer a k member for this swap. It is a direct bolt in for the 05 and mustang. You can also use this k memkber for a 429-460 motor but you will need the ford adaptor motor mounts. If you have any questions please give me a call.

NastyFX4 · November 17th, 2009, 01:02 PM

Anyone have a link to a thread where someone's done this swap with pictures?

I wouldn't ever do it to my car though. I mean you can make this platform go 8s, great daily driver, 'good' gas mileage and 'good' reliability.

jonnieguns · November 17th, 2009, 01:32 PM

Agreed. My friend has an extra 351 sitting in his garage that he offered (half jokingly), so it got me thinking. I can't really justify pulling a perfectly good 4.6 though.

07GTconvertible · November 17th, 2009, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by jonnieguns

Has anyone tried this with a 5.8L from an F-150?

Is this for a street car or race car? If street car, and BTW I know these laws vary very widely by state, but if you put in a 351 I'm not sure you have any chance of passing emissions/inspection laws. I know in CT, my car needs to pass 2007 regs because my car is a 2007 and I don't think there is a snowballs chance in hell I could get a 351 to pass 2007 emissions, not at least at a power level that would make it worth it. Just a thought.

BTW- Regardless of all the legal nonsense, I DO think the idea is very intersting.

101fng · November 17th, 2009, 10:28 PM

YouTube - 2006 Mustang - Was a V6

jonnieguns · November 17th, 2009, 10:41 PM

Good lord...

I can't believe a 460 fit quite so nicely in that.

IronStomach · November 18th, 2009, 12:38 AM

God that looks and sounds awesome....

RetroGT2006 · November 18th, 2009, 12:55 AM

Holy crap, that is nuts that they stuffed that big motor in an engine bay that used to house a V6.. Man i wonder how much $$ it took him for motor, and to make everything fit/work.

Does the stock tranny bolt up to that?

NastyFX4 · November 18th, 2009, 01:43 AM

I wonder how much power it makes. I'd laugh if it makes like 450 rwhp.

06VistaBlueGT · November 18th, 2009, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by NastyStang113

I wonder how much power it makes. I'd laugh if it makes like 450 rwhp.

Even if it is "only" 450 hp, it's 450 N/A hp and GOBS of low end torque. Not to mention a lot less complicated than an FI 4.6. If/when I decide to make my car race only, this is the direction I'm going.

BMR Sales · November 18th, 2009, 11:59 AM

When you get ready give me a call. I don't have the k member listed on our site but it is available.

NastyFX4 · November 18th, 2009, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by 06VistaBlueGT

Even if it is "only" 450 hp, it's 450 N/A hp and GOBS of low end torque. Not to mention a lot less complicated than an FI 4.6. If/when I decide to make my car race only, this is the direction I'm going.

It's a lot less complicated than bolting on a blower in a day and getting it tuned the next day? I don't think so. I'm not looking to argue with you and you might like it but it's got to make a lot more power for me to even think about it. I'm not doubting it's going to make some more torque though.

06VistaBlueGT · November 18th, 2009, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by NastyStang113

It's a lot less complicated than bolting on a blower in a day and getting it tuned the next day? I don't think so. I'm not looking to argue with you and you might like it but it's got to make a lot more power for me to even think about it. I'm not doubting it's going to make some more torque though.

I agree that bolting on a blower and getting it tuned isn't difficult (even though I haven't done it), I just mean the actual engine itself is more compicated. I think there is a lot less to go wrong with a 460 than with a 4.6. Nothing wrong with a 4.6, I love mine. I think parts are a lot cheaper for the 460 as well.

07GTconvertible · November 18th, 2009, 10:34 PM

If you want to put in a 460, you should build it with a set of these heads.

Jon Kaase Racing Engines - John Kaase Racing Engines

You can make insane power with these, and you would most assuredly have a unique late model Mustang set up!

UrbanRedneck · November 18th, 2009, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by RetroGT2006

Holy crap, that is nuts that they stuffed that big motor in an engine bay that used to house a V6.. Man i wonder how much $$ it took him for motor, and to make everything fit/work.

Does the stock tranny bolt up to that?

Actually the DOHC 5.4 that comes in the GT500 is externally larger than a 426 hemi, and they both dwarf the Ford big block.

Originally Posted by 06VistaBlueGT

I agree that bolting on a blower and getting it tuned isn't difficult (even though I haven't done it), I just mean the actual engine itself is more compicated. I think there is a lot less to go wrong with a 460 than with a 4.6. Nothing wrong with a 4.6, I love mine. I think parts are a lot cheaper for the 460 as well.

Not really... They are both engines, both work the same way. Yes the valvetrain is more complicated on the 4.6, but it's not much of a big deal. The fuel injection and electronics just make it easier to tune, easier to diagnose, more powerful, and more reliable. I'm a big believer in to each his own, but to me, I agree with Nasty. I don't see the point in swapping an olderpushrod Ford since you can do more with an FI modular anyway. Not to mention the weight. If I were to do a swap like that, I'd swap in an LS based stroker to at least make it worth it with a smallblock that can run circles around most big blocks.

Curt@BMCPerformance · November 19th, 2009, 12:25 PM

I think it all comes back to the adage.....There's no replacement for displacement.

November 17th, 2009, 09:31 AM	#1
jonnieguns Regular 2009 Mustang GT 13.5@105.88 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 478 iTrader: 0 reviews	351 swap Has anyone tried this with a 5.8L from an F-150?

November 17th, 2009, 09:33 AM	#2
acmillr MM's Mad Scientist Slow Fella Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tupelo, MS Posts: 5,120 iTrader: 2 reviews	You wanting to go with a pushrod motor? MustangMatt has a 351 in his SN95. I don't know if it's a C or W though. __________________

November 17th, 2009, 10:53 AM	#3
07 STROKER MM's resident Juice head 07 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA Posts: 7,933 iTrader: 0 reviews	W __________________ The MGW short throw shifter Its not just a shifter...It's a lifestyle!

November 17th, 2009, 11:17 AM	#4
06VistaBlueGT Enthusiast 2006 Mustang GT 12.76@105 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Stark County, Ohio Posts: 869 iTrader: 0 reviews	I'm alos thinking of a similar swap once I decide to make the car a dedicated strip car. BMR has a k-member to allow a windsor to fit. You might check with them. __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Member #1 TH350, B&M Ratchet Shifter, 4000RPM Stall, JLT2, O/R X, Cherry Bombs, 4.56's, line locks, Prothane Engine Mounts, BMR LCA's, Lakewood UCA, BMR rad support with Sway delete, CHE K-member brace

November 17th, 2009, 12:38 PM	#5
BMR Sales Authorized Vendor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: TAMPA,FL Posts: 194 iTrader: 0 reviews	We offer a k member for this swap. It is a direct bolt in for the 05 and mustang. You can also use this k memkber for a 429-460 motor but you will need the ford adaptor motor mounts. If you have any questions please give me a call. __________________ BMR Sales Dept. BMR Suspension Inc. sales@bmrfabrication.com 813.986.9302

November 17th, 2009, 01:02 PM	#6
NastyFX4 Made in U.S.A. 2011 F150 FX4 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 15,008 iTrader: 8 reviews	Anyone have a link to a thread where someone's done this swap with pictures? I wouldn't ever do it to my car though. I mean you can make this platform go 8s, great daily driver, 'good' gas mileage and 'good' reliability. __________________ NastyStang's Garage Sale!!

November 17th, 2009, 01:32 PM	#7
jonnieguns Regular 2009 Mustang GT 13.5@105.88 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 478 iTrader: 0 reviews	Agreed. My friend has an extra 351 sitting in his garage that he offered (half jokingly), so it got me thinking. I can't really justify pulling a perfectly good 4.6 though.

November 17th, 2009, 10:41 PM	#10
jonnieguns Regular 2009 Mustang GT 13.5@105.88 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 478 iTrader: 0 reviews	Good lord... I can't believe a 460 fit quite so nicely in that.

November 18th, 2009, 12:38 AM	#11
IronStomach Hardcore Enthusiast 2008 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: West [of] Chicago Posts: 2,471 iTrader: 1 reviews	God that looks and sounds awesome.... __________________ Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted.

November 18th, 2009, 12:55 AM	#12
RetroGT2006 Enthusiast 2006 Mustang GT Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Windermere,Florida Posts: 959 iTrader: 0 reviews	Holy crap, that is nuts that they stuffed that big motor in an engine bay that used to house a V6.. Man i wonder how much $$ it took him for motor, and to make everything fit/work. Does the stock tranny bolt up to that? __________________ Daily Driver: 2006 Honda CBR600rr Weekend Warrior: 2006 Mustang GT

November 18th, 2009, 01:43 AM	#13
NastyFX4 Made in U.S.A. 2011 F150 FX4 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 15,008 iTrader: 8 reviews	I wonder how much power it makes. I'd laugh if it makes like 450 rwhp. __________________ NastyStang's Garage Sale!!

November 18th, 2009, 11:59 AM	#15
BMR Sales Authorized Vendor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: TAMPA,FL Posts: 194 iTrader: 0 reviews	When you get ready give me a call. I don't have the k member listed on our site but it is available. __________________ BMR Sales Dept. BMR Suspension Inc. sales@bmrfabrication.com 813.986.9302

November 18th, 2009, 10:34 PM	#18
07GTconvertible Regular 2007 Mustang GT 'vert Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: CT Posts: 285 iTrader: 0 reviews	If you want to put in a 460, you should build it with a set of these heads. Jon Kaase Racing Engines - John Kaase Racing Engines You can make insane power with these, and you would most assuredly have a unique late model Mustang set up!

November 19th, 2009, 12:25 PM	#20
Curt@BMCPerformance Regular 2005 Mustang GT Stock-13.420 @103.42 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 103 iTrader: 0 reviews	I think it all comes back to the adage.....There's no replacement for displacement.

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