livernois stage 2 head fail?

07 STROKER · February 3rd, 2010, 02:53 PM

While I wait for livernois to call me back, here we go. i was installing my Kooks L/T this morning and looky what i found in the exhaust ports...oil.

2000 miles on these heads..and in case we forget..these were the third set of heads shipped to me last year.

What do you guys think...this normal?

only 2 cylinders look dry, but thats from lookin up from the floor...so i dont know.

05mustang_TT_charged · February 3rd, 2010, 03:15 PM

could be leaky valve guides or the piston rings didn't seat properly allowing blow by

BlueDevil · February 3rd, 2010, 03:15 PM

Is that from valve guides/seals, or worn rings (what condition is short block in?)?

07 STROKER · February 3rd, 2010, 03:27 PM

2000 Miles On Brand New 298 Stroker Engine

1FastFox · February 3rd, 2010, 03:45 PM

Man... You just cant win for losing. That sucks. Is it too late to get a full refund from Livernois and go somewhere else?

C MY 4D · February 3rd, 2010, 03:55 PM

Have you done a leak down test yet?

BlueDevil · February 3rd, 2010, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by C MY 4D

Have you done a leak down test yet?

Yes-do that.

NastyFX4 · February 3rd, 2010, 04:35 PM

The motor was also built by Livernois right? There have seem to be more and more cases with problematic parts built by Livernois lately. Here's a thread on S197 where the shit hit the fan..

Fuck this car. - WWW.S197FORUM.COM

07stanggt · February 3rd, 2010, 05:00 PM

Actually the motor was "built" by some tuner guy in canada that then dynoed it at a whopping 310hp, but hey it was sae corrected so i guess thats all a 298ci 3v can do.

Get the headers on and stop squaking canuck.

07 STROKER · February 3rd, 2010, 05:29 PM

the motor was built by Fast Engines out of edmonton....hes not a tuner. just a builder.

kraigster · February 3rd, 2010, 05:59 PM

Seems to me that if you had valve guide or valve guide seal problems then you would get some smoke out of the tail pipe on start up and the spark plugs would build up a nasty ash or worse oil foul.

Scott2001GT · February 3rd, 2010, 06:01 PM

mmmm no good dude! I hope ModMax is better with building motors....

unlicensed to drive · February 3rd, 2010, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by 07stanggt

Actually the motor was "built" by some tuner guy in canada that then dynoed it at a whopping 310hp, but hey it was sae corrected so i guess thats all a 298ci 3v can do.

Get the headers on and stop squaking canuck.

Ken's tuner is Techmotion though, a tuning shop in Canada that is very notorious for blowing up engines.

07 STROKER · February 4th, 2010, 11:15 AM

okay here are some pics of the heqders i took off and a plug.

Also I put my finger up in the wxhaust port and on all the cylinders where the valve is closed....there is a POOL of oil around the valve...i mean a pool....the cylinders that have open valves were dry.....so what do you think of that?

anyway , look at my wideband and the inside of my headers....whatsthat grey powdery stuff? My pistons?

wideband

now my A/F is bang on at 12.7 to 1 N/A and 10.6 tp 11.4 spraying...help me

plug

crap in heADER

1FastFox · February 4th, 2010, 11:18 AM

I think you forgot the pics...

PapaSmurf · February 4th, 2010, 11:40 AM

I agree. I don't see the pics. Sorry for all the misfotune though. I'd be going bonkers if I was in your shoes

07 STROKER · February 4th, 2010, 11:54 AM

fuck....just go to s197 to see them, im gonna let this thread die in here.

Emay · February 4th, 2010, 12:02 PM

Man we just got to the pity party and your gonna let it die?

07 STROKER · February 4th, 2010, 12:04 PM

ya, sorry hoss.

07stanggt · February 4th, 2010, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by kraigster

Seems to me that if you had valve guide or valve guide seal problems then you would get some smoke out of the tail pipe on start up and the spark plugs would build up a nasty ash or worse oil foul.

ditto

Originally Posted by Emay

Man we just got to the pity party and your gonna let it die?

lmao.

i didnt choke on my lunch by the way, canuck. You got those headers on yet, i want a vid posted tonight. smokin and all.

February 3rd, 2010, 02:53 PM	#1
07 STROKER MM's resident Juice head 07 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA Posts: 7,920 iTrader: 0 reviews	livernois stage 2 head fail? While I wait for livernois to call me back, here we go. i was installing my Kooks L/T this morning and looky what i found in the exhaust ports...oil. 2000 miles on these heads..and in case we forget..these were the third set of heads shipped to me last year. What do you guys think...this normal? only 2 cylinders look dry, but thats from lookin up from the floor...so i dont know. __________________ The MGW short throw shifter Its not just a shifter...It's a lifestyle!

February 3rd, 2010, 03:15 PM	#2
05mustang_TT_charged Hardcore Enthusiast 2005 Mustang GT 10.32@137.70 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: LSU Country Posts: 2,774 iTrader: 0 reviews	could be leaky valve guides or the piston rings didn't seat properly allowing blow by __________________ 350 rwhp and 310 rwtq at 6000 rpms through stock exhaust system 326 cubic inches of Twin Turbocharged hell will be running soon Tuned by Wes @ TPS Last edited by 05mustang_TT_charged; February 3rd, 2010 at 03:21 PM.

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February 3rd, 2010, 03:27 PM	#4
07 STROKER MM's resident Juice head 07 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA Posts: 7,920 iTrader: 0 reviews	2000 Miles On Brand New 298 Stroker Engine __________________ The MGW short throw shifter Its not just a shifter...It's a lifestyle!

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February 3rd, 2010, 05:00 PM	#9
07stanggt I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2007 GT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ellicott City, MD Posts: 11,950 iTrader: 1 reviews	Actually the motor was "built" by some tuner guy in canada that then dynoed it at a whopping 310hp, but hey it was sae corrected so i guess thats all a 298ci 3v can do. Get the headers on and stop squaking canuck.

February 3rd, 2010, 05:29 PM	#10
07 STROKER MM's resident Juice head 07 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA Posts: 7,920 iTrader: 0 reviews	the motor was built by Fast Engines out of edmonton....hes not a tuner. just a builder. __________________ The MGW short throw shifter Its not just a shifter...It's a lifestyle!

February 3rd, 2010, 05:59 PM	#11
kraigster Enthusiast 2007 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St.Petersburg, Fl Posts: 570 iTrader: 0 reviews	Seems to me that if you had valve guide or valve guide seal problems then you would get some smoke out of the tail pipe on start up and the spark plugs would build up a nasty ash or worse oil foul. __________________ Saleen rear fascia with center exhaust, MAC longtubes with o/r Prochamber, Steeda CAI w/carbon fiber elbow, SCT X3, Steeda UDPs, Hurst shifter, modified delete plates, Comp Cams and 4.10s.

February 3rd, 2010, 06:01 PM	#12
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February 4th, 2010, 11:15 AM	#14
07 STROKER MM's resident Juice head 07 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA Posts: 7,920 iTrader: 0 reviews	okay here are some pics of the heqders i took off and a plug. Also I put my finger up in the wxhaust port and on all the cylinders where the valve is closed....there is a POOL of oil around the valve...i mean a pool....the cylinders that have open valves were dry.....so what do you think of that? anyway , look at my wideband and the inside of my headers....whatsthat grey powdery stuff? My pistons? wideband now my A/F is bang on at 12.7 to 1 N/A and 10.6 tp 11.4 spraying...help me plug crap in heADER __________________ The MGW short throw shifter Its not just a shifter...It's a lifestyle!

February 4th, 2010, 11:18 AM	#15
1FastFox Skirt Chasing Phallus Phondler Kit Car/Ducati/Explorer Nike Fast Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 10,437 iTrader: 4 reviews	I think you forgot the pics... __________________ QUOTE OF THE DAY (5/23/12):“Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.”‐‐ Seneca

February 4th, 2010, 11:40 AM	#16
PapaSmurf Hardcore Enthusiast 2003 Mustang GT 12.28 @ 116 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 2,554 iTrader: 13 reviews	I agree. I don't see the pics. Sorry for all the misfotune though. I'd be going bonkers if I was in your shoes __________________ 2003 Sonic Blue GT---SLP Longtubes, SLP X, Magnaflow Magnapack CB, 75mm TB/Plenum, MP2 Performance stage 2 heads, MHS Stage 3R cams, Built rear w/4.30's

February 4th, 2010, 11:54 AM	#17
07 STROKER MM's resident Juice head 07 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA Posts: 7,920 iTrader: 0 reviews	fuck....just go to s197 to see them, im gonna let this thread die in here. __________________ The MGW short throw shifter Its not just a shifter...It's a lifestyle!

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February 4th, 2010, 12:04 PM	#19
07 STROKER MM's resident Juice head 07 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA Posts: 7,920 iTrader: 0 reviews	ya, sorry hoss. __________________ The MGW short throw shifter Its not just a shifter...It's a lifestyle!

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