Shorty Headers

flattusmaximus78 · June 5th, 2006, 08:26 PM

Well now that the x-pipe has gone in theres talk of maybe short tube headers and some magnaflow mufflers and tips. Now in 5.0/superfords I saw jpa's shortys saying they pick up "23" rwhp. Now I can't remember but either on here or another site I herd they were a waist. Does anyone have any experiences or just some info? THanks!

Screemin3o2 · June 5th, 2006, 08:57 PM

I can tell you right now that shorty headers are a waste of money period. You are better off sticking with the stock manifolds and putting it toward something else. As for a 23 hp gain in a tech article, magazines nowadays are just a big sales advertisement. Everythiing is increased and no one outside of the magazine world seems to get as much power as they advertise out of anything. I'm a strong believer in getting only L/T headers because in the long run, they really pay off. I'm sure many people can back me up on this.

flattusmaximus78 · June 5th, 2006, 09:36 PM

I expected a response like that, none the less I wanted to be reassured. See we just bought the x-pipe and wouldnt mind haveing long tube headers, but they would need to be cut up enuff to fit and in the end would be pretty short. Would they still work as well?

AtlanticBlue99 · June 5th, 2006, 09:42 PM

Long tubes are the only way to go. You will have to cut back your mid pipe a good bit and reweld a flange on it to mate the long tubes. You would be better off buying a short x pipe to mate to long tubes or you will have a choppy look like my H pipe (which we made with stock mid pipe flanges and ss 2.5" tubes):

Screemin3o2 · June 5th, 2006, 09:42 PM

It would be alot easier to sell the x-pipe, and get the headers and the midpipe to fit the l/t's. It wouldn't put you too far into the whole. Or just save for something else unless you really want the headers. It will really make life a lot easier to have a bolt on exhaust system and it will fit a lot better without having to weld new flanges on.

AtlanticBlue99 · June 5th, 2006, 09:44 PM

Exactly. I haven't had any leaks with my system, but I am sure flow has been hindered a little due to the choppy homemade design. The pipes are very good flowing though, and long tubes made a hell of a difference at the high end. something you won't see with shortties

flattusmaximus78 · June 5th, 2006, 09:56 PM

Hmm, well were not in the situation were we are ganna freek with no headers. But weve done nothing but airflow mods and seen nothing but good results at the rear wheels and in the top end... so now Im looking to get some quick results like that again until a kenne belle.

AtlanticBlue99 · June 5th, 2006, 09:57 PM

With forced induction, definitely go long tubes

flattusmaximus78 · June 5th, 2006, 10:05 PM

Yeah I guess theres no other choice, alot of the stuff weve done so far will need to go anyways cold air kit, throttle body, and maybe now the x- pipe unless we cut it back a little.

Drgnracin72 · June 6th, 2006, 02:00 AM

+1 on everything they said!!

Screemin3o2 · June 6th, 2006, 02:41 AM

If you don't have any rearend gears already. think about it. I never saw them hurt my mpg that much and if you are going to mod a car like that, why be cheap about it and worry that much about mpg is what I have always thought. Rearend gears are the biggest bang for your money. The actual gears and an install kit is not that expensive and if you find a local reputable mechanic, you can get them installed for cheap too.

flattusmaximus78 · June 6th, 2006, 06:35 AM

We have the gears, but our mechanic rusty was missing a tool for the job, so the installation went back a week.

Sable · August 29th, 2006, 05:22 PM

Slap on some Stainless Works Long Tubes!!!

June 5th, 2006, 08:26 PM	#1
flattusmaximus78 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1993 5.ohhhh 12.97 @140mph Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Gatorland Posts: 6,121 iTrader: 3 reviews	Shorty Headers Well now that the x-pipe has gone in theres talk of maybe short tube headers and some magnaflow mufflers and tips. Now in 5.0/superfords I saw jpa's shortys saying they pick up "23" rwhp. Now I can't remember but either on here or another site I herd they were a waist. Does anyone have any experiences or just some info? THanks! __________________ 02 Pewter z28, hoosiers/lid/exhaust/spray...125mph 1993 gt Sold, already missed --Moates Quarter horse $225-- --Cobra intake $150-- --tremec 3550 bell and shifter $1100--

June 5th, 2006, 08:57 PM	#2
Screemin3o2 Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 616 iTrader: 0 reviews	I can tell you right now that shorty headers are a waste of money period. You are better off sticking with the stock manifolds and putting it toward something else. As for a 23 hp gain in a tech article, magazines nowadays are just a big sales advertisement. Everythiing is increased and no one outside of the magazine world seems to get as much power as they advertise out of anything. I'm a strong believer in getting only L/T headers because in the long run, they really pay off. I'm sure many people can back me up on this. __________________ 95 Mustang GT Slow Bolt On Car www.steelcitystangs.com

June 5th, 2006, 09:36 PM	#3
flattusmaximus78 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1993 5.ohhhh 12.97 @140mph Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Gatorland Posts: 6,121 iTrader: 3 reviews	I expected a response like that, none the less I wanted to be reassured. See we just bought the x-pipe and wouldnt mind haveing long tube headers, but they would need to be cut up enuff to fit and in the end would be pretty short. Would they still work as well? __________________ 02 Pewter z28, hoosiers/lid/exhaust/spray...125mph 1993 gt Sold, already missed --Moates Quarter horse $225-- --Cobra intake $150-- --tremec 3550 bell and shifter $1100--

June 5th, 2006, 09:42 PM	#4
AtlanticBlue99 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1999 Ford Mustang V6 14.79 @ 92.15 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: University of Georgia Posts: 8,854 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	Long tubes are the only way to go. You will have to cut back your mid pipe a good bit and reweld a flange on it to mate the long tubes. You would be better off buying a short x pipe to mate to long tubes or you will have a choppy look like my H pipe (which we made with stock mid pipe flanges and ss 2.5" tubes): __________________ ModdedAutos 1999 Mustang V6 I used to list my mods here but stopped when I exceeded 255 characters.

June 5th, 2006, 09:42 PM	#5
Screemin3o2 Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 616 iTrader: 0 reviews	It would be alot easier to sell the x-pipe, and get the headers and the midpipe to fit the l/t's. It wouldn't put you too far into the whole. Or just save for something else unless you really want the headers. It will really make life a lot easier to have a bolt on exhaust system and it will fit a lot better without having to weld new flanges on. __________________ 95 Mustang GT Slow Bolt On Car www.steelcitystangs.com

June 5th, 2006, 09:44 PM	#6
AtlanticBlue99 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1999 Ford Mustang V6 14.79 @ 92.15 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: University of Georgia Posts: 8,854 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	Exactly. I haven't had any leaks with my system, but I am sure flow has been hindered a little due to the choppy homemade design. The pipes are very good flowing though, and long tubes made a hell of a difference at the high end. something you won't see with shortties __________________ ModdedAutos 1999 Mustang V6 I used to list my mods here but stopped when I exceeded 255 characters.

June 5th, 2006, 09:56 PM	#7
flattusmaximus78 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1993 5.ohhhh 12.97 @140mph Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Gatorland Posts: 6,121 iTrader: 3 reviews	Hmm, well were not in the situation were we are ganna freek with no headers. But weve done nothing but airflow mods and seen nothing but good results at the rear wheels and in the top end... so now Im looking to get some quick results like that again until a kenne belle. __________________ 02 Pewter z28, hoosiers/lid/exhaust/spray...125mph 1993 gt Sold, already missed --Moates Quarter horse $225-- --Cobra intake $150-- --tremec 3550 bell and shifter $1100--

June 5th, 2006, 09:57 PM	#8
AtlanticBlue99 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1999 Ford Mustang V6 14.79 @ 92.15 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: University of Georgia Posts: 8,854 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	With forced induction, definitely go long tubes __________________ ModdedAutos 1999 Mustang V6 I used to list my mods here but stopped when I exceeded 255 characters.

June 5th, 2006, 10:05 PM	#9
flattusmaximus78 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1993 5.ohhhh 12.97 @140mph Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Gatorland Posts: 6,121 iTrader: 3 reviews	Yeah I guess theres no other choice, alot of the stuff weve done so far will need to go anyways cold air kit, throttle body, and maybe now the x- pipe unless we cut it back a little. __________________ 02 Pewter z28, hoosiers/lid/exhaust/spray...125mph 1993 gt Sold, already missed --Moates Quarter horse $225-- --Cobra intake $150-- --tremec 3550 bell and shifter $1100--

June 6th, 2006, 02:00 AM	#10
Drgnracin72 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: somewhere in oklahoma Posts: 10,635 iTrader: 2 reviews	+1 on everything they said!! __________________ RIP ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. One Big Ass Mistake America SHEEPDOGS

June 6th, 2006, 02:41 AM	#11
Screemin3o2 Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 616 iTrader: 0 reviews	If you don't have any rearend gears already. think about it. I never saw them hurt my mpg that much and if you are going to mod a car like that, why be cheap about it and worry that much about mpg is what I have always thought. Rearend gears are the biggest bang for your money. The actual gears and an install kit is not that expensive and if you find a local reputable mechanic, you can get them installed for cheap too. __________________ 95 Mustang GT Slow Bolt On Car www.steelcitystangs.com

June 6th, 2006, 06:35 AM	#12
flattusmaximus78 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1993 5.ohhhh 12.97 @140mph Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Gatorland Posts: 6,121 iTrader: 3 reviews	We have the gears, but our mechanic rusty was missing a tool for the job, so the installation went back a week. __________________ 02 Pewter z28, hoosiers/lid/exhaust/spray...125mph 1993 gt Sold, already missed --Moates Quarter horse $225-- --Cobra intake $150-- --tremec 3550 bell and shifter $1100--

August 29th, 2006, 05:22 PM	#13
Sable Regular 2002 Mustang GT 12.8@109 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Akron, Ohio Posts: 106 iTrader: 0 reviews	Slap on some Stainless Works Long Tubes!!! __________________ 2002 True Blue Mustang GT M5 309 rwhp 320 rwtq tune by Big Shot Dyno Best: 12.8 @ 109 mph 2004 Cosmos GTO M6 (1 of 366) 530 RWHP 510 RWT Tuned by Back Street Performance Best: 11.33 @ 129mph

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