Will shorties help my sound any?

crackpotfox · February 8th, 2012, 06:29 PM

From some other exhaust post in this forum:
"A crackling/popping exhaust means a healthy engine with a nice, free flowing exhaust"
I cant remember whose words those were, nor the exact words, but that's where the crackle comes from

Silverrider · February 8th, 2012, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by AnotherS197GT

2009+ had the charge motion valves molded into the intake. Thats why they switched from plates to plugs. It took me about 45 to swap out my plates. 3 hours must be for blind people.

Lol, well I have the plugs, took me 45 minutes to do, just take the intake off.. there is butterflies in there.. you just take them out and those little plugs seal everything, I bought from brenspeed... good install page came with them! For 69 dollars and 5 to 8 hp you can't complain... sounds good too... and you live in fl so I wouldn't worry about what the headers are made of.. lt's will make it sound amazing!

HOLLYWD69 · February 8th, 2012, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by TommyC

OK sold, I'm getting Pacesetter LTs, why is it every time I come here it costs me money

Originally Posted by TommyC

As far as I know they only come with H pipes though.
Wait thats not true is it? Doesn't a lot of my snarl crackle pop come from my x pipe?

You will be very happy! and yes pacesetter only makes an H-pipe as far as I know anyway.

Kwiksilver · February 8th, 2012, 08:32 PM

Anybody nitice the $400 ones are 1-3/4 primaries but the other ones are 1-5/8? what is going to be the difference there?

AnotherS197GT · February 8th, 2012, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Kwiksilver

Anybody nitice the $400 ones are 1-3/4 primaries but the other ones are 1-5/8? what is going to be the difference there?

No difference unless you are blown

garydahl · February 9th, 2012, 01:44 AM

I have never heard of anyone after having LT headers say I wish I would of gone with Shorty's instead...
Go with LT's you will be happier...

DiMora · February 9th, 2012, 08:15 AM

LOOOONNNGGGGG TTTUUUUBBBEEESSSSS

ARH
Kooks
Mac

TommyC · February 9th, 2012, 01:18 PM

Dumb question time, can any X pipe fit on pacesetters LTs? I see Pypes makes an x. Anyone have a video with pacesetters? There isn't many on youtube at all.

AnotherS197GT · February 9th, 2012, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by TommyC

Dumb question time, can any X pipe fit on pacesetters LTs? I see Pypes makes an x. Anyone have a video with pacesetters? There isn't many on youtube at all.

Not any X will just bolt up to any header. With a little creativity, it can be made to work though. Like I said in an earlier post, I'm running a Mac mid pipe with Pypes headers. It took 20 bucks worth of pipe and 15 minutes to make it work.

TommyC · February 9th, 2012, 01:46 PM

Cool thanks. I used to tear apart cars, and motorcycles for FUN but I seem to have used up my allotment of mechanical patience so i'll be getting it done. I'm sure they will bitch about a "little creativity", maybe not. So i'm going to try this -
2005-2010 Mustang GT Pacesetter Long Tube Headers & H Pipe (1-3/4" Primary)
or wait for a deal on ebay
or stick with what I've got, which isn't too bad.

wrathchild · February 9th, 2012, 01:47 PM

MACS are all but impossible to even get right now, and I have seen people who actually have them, report some fitment issues.

JBAs are easily had, cheaper, and the only people reporting fitment problems with them, are people who dont actually have them. Everyone I have talked to/read posts from, that has them, reports that they had no fit issues. I know mine fit perfect. Im not sure why people nutswing MAC so hard. The prochambers look like they were welded by a monkey with downs syndrom ( which doesnt actually matter) and the headers dont seem to fit any better than the "cheap" headers. In my mind if you are going MAC you may as well go Pypes. Or just spend the money and go Kooks, which are pretty much universally agreed to be the nicest ones out there.) (although you can get JBAs with the off road H or X for ~600 shipped and they fit great, and make almost the exact same power, they were second only to kooks in the big header shootout in the one magazine)

With the pacesetters being so cheap, and knowing what I do about pacesetter products, I would expect some fitment issues, but I am betting they could be easily worked around, and they are dirt cheap, so I wouldnt sweat it.

HOLLYWD69 · February 9th, 2012, 02:17 PM

With the pacesetters being so cheap, and knowing what I do about pacesetter products, I would expect some fitment issues, but I am betting they could be easily worked around, and they are dirt cheap, so I wouldnt sweat it.[/QUOTE]

No fitment issues what so ever. And the H-pipe is a slip fit so no collectors with gaskets to leak. For the money you cant beat them. If I had it to do over again I would do the same thing.

wrathchild · February 9th, 2012, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by HOLLYWD69

No fitment issues what so ever. And the H-pipe is a slip fit so no collectors with gaskets to leak. For the money you cant beat them. If I had it to do over again I would do the same thing.

Then BAM

DO IT!

TommyC · February 9th, 2012, 02:41 PM

BAM I have no excuse then. I REALLLLLLY dont want to spend any more $$ on exhaust but I have a bonus(a small one) coming up next paycheck so its not going to be very hard to guess how this story will end up...

AnotherS197GT · February 9th, 2012, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by TommyC

BAM I have no excuse then. I REALLLLLLY dont want to spend any more $$ on exhaust but I have a bonus(a small one) coming up next paycheck so its not going to be very hard to guess how this story will end up...

So don't spend the money. If you are happy with your exhaust now, just leave it alone.

wrathchild · February 9th, 2012, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by AnotherS197GT

So don't spend the money. If you are happy with your exhaust now, just leave it alone.

YOU GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR LOGIC!!!

onederful100 · February 9th, 2012, 03:19 PM

I have shorties on my 2000
everyone told me it wouldn't do anything performance or sound-wise
i wasn't expecting any performance gains, but was hoping for some sound improvement.
i got it cheap around $100, and i had the rest of the exhaust already, so i figured why not.
the sound did get deeper and a tad bit louder with the shorties. but keep in mind this is a 2000 GT.

i have no personal experience with shorties on a S197, but there are some that have shorties and say it did make it deeper sounding.

LT's are better than shorties in everyway.
but since you want to save money, and if you can get the shorties for cheap, and you already have a midpipe and axle backs, it may be worth a shot.
if all you want is sound.

wrathchild · February 9th, 2012, 03:26 PM

Everyone says they do nothing.

Dynos say different from everything I have read and seen. THAT SAID, they do very little. They do like 1/4 what LTs do. IMO, and Im sure most would agree, not even close to worth the money or effort.

TommyC · February 9th, 2012, 03:26 PM

Tooo funny, I've changed my mind 5 times in the last 20 mins. I should keep what I have since I'm 90% happy with it, but thats probably not whats going to happen. Since its going to cost me $700-1000 I do kinda question if I'm going to sound $1,000 better than my x pipe, cai, tune and violators do now? Probably.

But thanks ALL for the excellent, excellent advise here, it really helps a lot.

AnotherS197GT · February 9th, 2012, 03:41 PM

If you are 90% happy, save the $1000 haha. The headers may push you farther away from happiness. Don't mess with a good thing unless you are looking for more power.

February 8th, 2012, 06:29 PM	#21
crackpotfox Irregular 2008 Mustang GT a few minutes or so Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: South Carolina Posts: 67 iTrader: 0 reviews	From some other exhaust post in this forum: "A crackling/popping exhaust means a healthy engine with a nice, free flowing exhaust" I cant remember whose words those were, nor the exact words, but that's where the crackle comes from __________________ manual '69 BOSS 302 style hood, rear window louvers, sequential taillights, SHR honeycomb decklid blackout

February 8th, 2012, 08:32 PM	#24
Kwiksilver Regular Join Date: May 2011 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 53 iTrader: 0 reviews	Anybody nitice the $400 ones are 1-3/4 primaries but the other ones are 1-5/8? what is going to be the difference there? __________________ 2007 gt auto, black on black, black gt500 wheels, 35w hid's, Comp thumpr 2's, Camerons 3000 stall, BBK cc LT's w/off road X, Flowmaster axle back, bbk 62mm TB, 4.10's, c&l race cold air, scl Bama tune 93race ftw, ipod adaptor,

February 9th, 2012, 01:44 AM	#26
garydahl Blood, Sweat and Gears... Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,872 iTrader: 0 reviews	I have never heard of anyone after having LT headers say I wish I would of gone with Shorty's instead... Go with LT's you will be happier... __________________ Black 2008 Mustang Bullitt, ID#2029 Hot Rod Cams, Hurst shifter, 4.10's & 8.8" AxleGirdle, twin 62mm TB. Kook's LT/H-Pipe, ATAK/Oem mufflers depending on my mood Steeda UDP/CMDP/LCA/UCA, 4"DS. BBR tuned 335 rwhp /330 rwtq SAE corrected

February 9th, 2012, 08:15 AM	#27
DiMora More Is Better. 2006 Roush Stage 1 Blown Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Acworth, GA Posts: 2,911 iTrader: 1 reviews	LOOOONNNGGGGG TTTUUUUBBBEEESSSSS ARH Kooks Mac __________________ Roush Short shifter / Carmen's 3.47" TVS pulley Roush TVS Supercharger Steeda suspension /Big Brakes Mac L/T's / Prochamber / Roush Extremes KB BAP "Daily Driver" RWHP: 492@9 PSI w/ LT's "Dyno Queen": 512@12 PSI-stock exhaust Mods in Garage

February 9th, 2012, 01:47 PM	#31
wrathchild Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Austin TX Posts: 2,414 iTrader: 1 reviews	MACS are all but impossible to even get right now, and I have seen people who actually have them, report some fitment issues. JBAs are easily had, cheaper, and the only people reporting fitment problems with them, are people who dont actually have them. Everyone I have talked to/read posts from, that has them, reports that they had no fit issues. I know mine fit perfect. Im not sure why people nutswing MAC so hard. The prochambers look like they were welded by a monkey with downs syndrom ( which doesnt actually matter) and the headers dont seem to fit any better than the "cheap" headers. In my mind if you are going MAC you may as well go Pypes. Or just spend the money and go Kooks, which are pretty much universally agreed to be the nicest ones out there.) (although you can get JBAs with the off road H or X for ~600 shipped and they fit great, and make almost the exact same power, they were second only to kooks in the big header shootout in the one magazine) With the pacesetters being so cheap, and knowing what I do about pacesetter products, I would expect some fitment issues, but I am betting they could be easily worked around, and they are dirt cheap, so I wouldnt sweat it. __________________ BAMA tune JLT CAI FRPP manifold J&M adj panhard bar/LCAs UMI LCA reloc brackets Eibach Prosystem GT500 strut tops Hot Rod Cams JBA LTs GT500 TB Meziere EWP FRRP 4.10

February 9th, 2012, 01:18 PM	#28
TommyC Regular 2010 GT Conv Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 269 iTrader: 1 reviews	Dumb question time, can any X pipe fit on pacesetters LTs? I see Pypes makes an x. Anyone have a video with pacesetters? There isn't many on youtube at all.

February 9th, 2012, 01:46 PM	#30
TommyC Regular 2010 GT Conv Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 269 iTrader: 1 reviews	Cool thanks. I used to tear apart cars, and motorcycles for FUN but I seem to have used up my allotment of mechanical patience so i'll be getting it done. I'm sure they will bitch about a "little creativity", maybe not. So i'm going to try this - 2005-2010 Mustang GT Pacesetter Long Tube Headers & H Pipe (1-3/4" Primary) or wait for a deal on ebay or stick with what I've got, which isn't too bad.

February 9th, 2012, 02:17 PM	#32
HOLLYWD69 Enthusiast 07 GT/CS 12.12 @117.53 mph Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Walker, La. Posts: 740 iTrader: 0 reviews	With the pacesetters being so cheap, and knowing what I do about pacesetter products, I would expect some fitment issues, but I am betting they could be easily worked around, and they are dirt cheap, so I wouldnt sweat it.[/QUOTE] No fitment issues what so ever. And the H-pipe is a slip fit so no collectors with gaskets to leak. For the money you cant beat them. If I had it to do over again I would do the same thing. __________________ See Garage for Mods 225-753-3966

February 9th, 2012, 02:41 PM	#34
TommyC Regular 2010 GT Conv Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 269 iTrader: 1 reviews	BAM I have no excuse then. I REALLLLLLY dont want to spend any more $$ on exhaust but I have a bonus(a small one) coming up next paycheck so its not going to be very hard to guess how this story will end up...

February 9th, 2012, 03:19 PM	#37
onederful100 Hardcore Enthusiast 2007 GT 2000 GT Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 1,890 iTrader: 0 reviews	I have shorties on my 2000 everyone told me it wouldn't do anything performance or sound-wise i wasn't expecting any performance gains, but was hoping for some sound improvement. i got it cheap around $100, and i had the rest of the exhaust already, so i figured why not. the sound did get deeper and a tad bit louder with the shorties. but keep in mind this is a 2000 GT. i have no personal experience with shorties on a S197, but there are some that have shorties and say it did make it deeper sounding. LT's are better than shorties in everyway. but since you want to save money, and if you can get the shorties for cheap, and you already have a midpipe and axle backs, it may be worth a shot. if all you want is sound. __________________ 2007 GT 5spd 2000 GT 5spd whipple crew member 2-Stang Crew My Car

February 9th, 2012, 03:26 PM	#38
wrathchild Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Austin TX Posts: 2,414 iTrader: 1 reviews	Everyone says they do nothing. Dynos say different from everything I have read and seen. THAT SAID, they do very little. They do like 1/4 what LTs do. IMO, and Im sure most would agree, not even close to worth the money or effort. __________________ BAMA tune JLT CAI FRPP manifold J&M adj panhard bar/LCAs UMI LCA reloc brackets Eibach Prosystem GT500 strut tops Hot Rod Cams JBA LTs GT500 TB Meziere EWP FRRP 4.10

February 9th, 2012, 03:41 PM	#40
AnotherS197GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2008 Mustang GT Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,816 iTrader: 6 reviews	If you are 90% happy, save the $1000 haha. The headers may push you farther away from happiness. Don't mess with a good thing unless you are looking for more power. __________________ \| COMP CAMS \| FRPP \| PYPES \| CDC \| UMI \|

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