[21411]

Any ideas on a touring suspension for our cars. I know it wont be what most are looking for. Im tired of replacing tooth filling beacuse of my daily drive.

[Whiskey11]

Originally Posted by 21411 Any ideas on a touring suspension for our cars. I know it wont be what most are looking for. Im tired of replacing tooth filling beacuse of my daily drive.

Please clarify what your goals are and definition of "touring". What suspension mods do you currently have?

[king_Ahmet]

I'm guessing he wants lowering springs. But also a nice cushy ride...

Am I right?

[dennisafrompa]

Steeda sports, Tokico adjustable set to full soft and an adjustable panhard bar, for touring.
When I do autocross full hard up front and a little softer than that in rear.
That's my '08 Bullitt setup.

[21411]

Im stock with almost 80,000 mi. And the ride is just beating me up now. All i see are handling packs and they say you dont give up that much ride comfort. I just dont want to give the wife another reason to never take my car with a stiffer harder riding suspension.

But yet its still a muatang and every now and then i want to be reassured or that. I was looking at the bmr coil overs for the ride height adjustability, would that also effect stiffness?

Touring = cross country (the strip is not a huge concern)

[Long Stroke]

Originally Posted by dennisafrompa Steeda sports, Tokico adjustable set to full soft and an adjustable panhard bar, for touring. When I do autocross full hard up front and a little softer than that in rear. That's my '08 Bullitt setup.

What this guy said. If your looking for a forum discount for some Steeda stuff feel free to shoot me a PM!

Our springs are known for their great ride quality but when pushed they really respond well.

[Whiskey11]

Originally Posted by 21411 Im stock with almost 80,000 mi. And the ride is just beating me up now. All i see are handling packs and they say you dont give up that much ride comfort. I just dont want to give the wife another reason to never take my car with a stiffer harder riding suspension. But yet its still a muatang and every now and then i want to be reassured or that. I was looking at the bmr coil overs for the ride height adjustability, would that also effect stiffness? Touring = cross country (the strip is not a huge concern)

I'm having a hard time followung the "my stock car is a rough ride" mentality, my 09 was soft and cushy in stock trim and got a bit softer after adding d specs with stock springs (Yay SCCA stock rules.....) you could start with a set of aftermarket shocks and struts and see how that compares. Koni STR.Ts are solid non adjustable dampers, Koni sports or D specs if you want adjustments.

I wouldn't go to coilovers, especially non adjustable coilovers unless you NEED the adjustments in ride height. I havnt seen the BMR coilovers but I can almost universally state that a good shock/spring set up with fixed spring perches is going to provide better performance for cheaper. The only coilovers I would touch are the KW Variant 3s, AST/Motoh, Griggs Racing Koni's (only full coilover set for front and rear), Ohlins and Penske and I wouldn't buy them if you want comfort.

Any kit that is going to lower the car is going to be stiffer spring rates than stock. It has to be to prevent the damper from bottoming out on bumps or to keep the car from riding on the bump stops.

Anyway, start with a good set of dampers and see if the ride improves. My D specs made a very cushy and soft ride softer when set that way and plenty teeth jarring for when I autocross.

[wrathchild]

Eibach Pro-system (prokit springs and prodampers)

Handles amazingly compared to stock, rides very nicely. My wife who is VERY much so not into performance, even approves of the ride quality.


Its a bit lower than stock, but not slammed where you scrape everywhere. Its definitely what I would consider a "touring" suspension. Gives the car a feel that is closer to an M3 than a Mustang (but no, its NOT just like an M3 obviously, I am just saying its THAT much better than stock)

[wrathchild]

Originally Posted by Whiskey11 The only coilovers I would touch are the KW Variant 3s, AST/Motoh, Griggs Racing Koni's (only full coilover set for front and rear), Ohlins and Penske and I wouldn't buy them if you want comfort. .

I absolutely LOVED my TEIN Flex's They ride VERY nicely on the street when set correctly, and they are like steel bars if you crank them up for autocross.

But they are pricey. However, they are worth it. I would take them over KWs all day long. I have no idea why people jerk off over KWs. I have used them and was completely unimpressed.

Ohlins however is : But can be pretty harsh for daily use.

[HBK_2007]

ive HEARD that air ride suspensions (although very pricey) offer the "softest" ride. might be something the OP could look into

[wrathchild]

Air rides also generally handle like shit. That ciould be partially due to the fact that they are usually installed on shitty setup hellaflush cars or lowriders. Maybe they would be fine on a properly set up car.

[21411]

is there an air ride kit for the s197?

with the eibach pro system, is the sway bar a big improvement?

whiskey11, i know its not something you hear much here. this is what i was hoping to hear:
"Anyway, start with a good set of dampers and see if the ride improves. My D specs made a very cushy and soft ride softer when set that way and plenty teeth jarring for when I autocross."

so if i ever get to do some racing i can just torque the adjustments and go racing, and be more street friendly the rest of the time. i'm wondering if my dampers are just worn out. in which case a set of relitivly cheap (compared to what is avaliable) d specs or even the eibach system will seem like a vast improvement to my ride.

[21411]

wrath, would the mustang be considered properly set up with air ride on it?
they promise the world but what sales man dosn't?

[wrathchild]

Originally Posted by 21411 wrath, would the mustang be considered properly set up with air ride on it? they promise the world but what sales man dosn't?

Well I mean it would depend if you properly set it up.



The cars that generally have air ride, are BURIED to where the suspension geometry is fucked beyond what can really ever be fixed without custom fabrication, they generally have horrific alignments, super heavy wheels, and every cheap shortcut that can be taken, is. They usually have whatever the cheapest tire they can get their hands on, stretched onto a rim that is way too wide for it, and the wheels are often super heavy, because all they care about is impressing 19yo asian girls.

So as long as you dont do that, yeah it can be considered properly set up.


On a related note, I impressed a 19yo asian girl at the last meet I went to and I am far from slammed and flushed. She came over to me all excited and said "I hate mustangs but I LOOOOOOOVVVVEEEEEEEEEE yours!!!" I was like "Thanks lol. I think."

[napoleonpp]

Please tell me you actually spelled lol out for her also lol

[21411]

Seeing as im not trying to pick up 19 yo asian girls. Im liking the d specs.
After she screeched love i would spell out lol too.

Next stupid question. Do sway bars wear out?

[wrathchild]

I suppose a swaybar could wear out, if you jacked the car up twisted and left it there for 25-30 years or something.





No. They dont.

[Whiskey11]

Originally Posted by wrathchild I suppose a swaybar could wear out, if you jacked the car up twisted and left it there for 25-30 years or something. No. They dont.

Lawl!

Sway bars themselves don't wear out but the rubber bushings they are in can wear out but I don't think it is something you can tell daily driving the car.

21411, the d specs are a solid choice, but the Koni Sports are far more composed for daily driving and offer better performance too. The price difference after shipping may be like 80$ or so but it would be well worth it since they can be sent to koni and be rebuilt. The d specs I don't think can. I would hqve to look at my paperwork for mine again.

I could see blown dampers causing a ride quality issue but not in the way you would expect. If the car got bouncy (more than stock) over bumps I could see a blown damper. Blown dampers shouldn't make it harsher though, at least I don't think, because dampers apply a force to remove the oscillation in the springs, blown ones have less damping force and would be easier to move.

[21411]

Isnt blown dampers when you see a tire just bouncing wildly crusing down the road. I dont think its that bad on mine.

Rebuild sounds good.

[wrathchild]

Originally Posted by 21411 Isnt blown dampers when you see a tire just bouncing wildly crusing down the road. I dont think its that bad on mine. Rebuild sounds good.

There are different degrees of blown.

At 80k they are definitely pretty worn.