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EBC Redstuff vs Yellowstuff: Which one and Why?

Tell me your experiences with each one and which you recommend for spirited street use.

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All depends on what you mean by spirited street driving.

The reds will have more initial cold bite and work well if brake temps stay below 1400*.

The yellows will not grab as good on initial braking but will stand up better under repeated and sustained hard braking. I think they're rated up to 1800*. I use red stuff pads on all my street vehicles and yellow stuff on my track bikes. Never used the yellow stuff pads on anything other than motorcycles for the track, but if I had an AutoX or road race car I would run the yellows on it as oppossed to the reds. Never Felt I needed more than the reds on the street.

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I don't think either pad is really suited to road course life, even with proper cooling. Maybe on a car weighing a lot less than us. I don't know. I've read about failures of the yellow stuff pads on these cars when tracked.

I'm a Carbotech person when it comes to pads. I have yet to hear of anyone complain about the XP10 front XP8 rear setup with proper cooling except maybe needing to bump the fronts to XP12s on fast courses like Road America where the long straights are followed by sharp and slow turns which places a lot of load on the pads.

When money allows I wouldn't mind using their bobcat pads for street driving and the autocross pads for autocrossing. I think they are more expensive than other brands but Carbotech pads are not as harsh on rotors as hawks. My buddy switched from hawk track pads on his Evo IX to Carbotech and loves them and his opinion matches with basically everyone else I have talked to about track pads.



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Whiskey, which variety do you use for Autocross and which do you use for street?

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Whiskey, which variety do you use for Autocross and which do you use for street?

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Carbotech 1521 (Also called the Bobcat pads) are for the street, the AX6 is for autocross.

I personally am still on stock brakes but from what I've seen of folks who use Carbotech, they love them. For a street car, I'm willing to bet you could pick about any non-track only pad and be fine!



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What about Hawks? I'm personally asking about street use.

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What about Hawks? I'm personally asking about street use.
Lots of guys love them. Traditionally Hawk pads are a bit harder on rotors than other pads but the tradeoff is longer pad life.



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I run Stop-Tech street pads. They can be light-to-medium tracked too. They make a ton of dust, but they can handle high temps and don't need much heat to be effective )cold initial bite is good). With good fluid and SS lines, they are a big win.

I ran Axxis Ultimate pads before th Stop-Techs...I like the Stop-Techs better. Hawks have a good reputation, but the street pads are not as good as the Stop-Techs (on the street) as they can't handle as much heat, and the racing pads eat rotors at street temperatures.

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EBC Redstuff vs Yellowstuff: Which one and Why?

How does a ss line change how the car brakes? how much better, the feel, etc.


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How does a ss line change how the car brakes? how much better, the feel, etc.


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It's mostly just feel. The biggest reason you see track guys switch to SS lines is because they prevent the ballooning of the rubber lines seen in OEM set ups. As the rubber lines get warm they tend to become more flexible and can balloon. Once they balloon the line is ruined. SS lines resist that by wrapping the entire line in a SS weave which keeps the inner line from ballooning.



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Better initial bite and linear control as you press the pedal harder or relax it. Decreases "pedal squishiness" (which is really just stock lines flexxing a bit).

SS lines are a nice upgrade on ANY vehicle, and I have noticed better brake "feel" as described above on EVERY vehicle I've ever put them on - from a daily drive Accord to a 170 RWHP racing motorcycle.


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EBC Redstuff vs Yellowstuff: Which one and Why?

So, would a ss line reduce the... I guess the word would be throw.. Would it reduce the throw in the brake feel, like you have to push it down x amount to have the pedal firm up.


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Being still on stock this is a good thread. Please keep asking and responding.

I only focus on my breaks at the track where I put them through harsh treatment. Hitting them after crossing the line has got to get them hotter than the intended design.
I drive to and from the track and drive the car as my daily driver during the better months and have wondered what would be the best to replace the stockers under these combined conditions when the time comes to replace them.

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So, would a ss line reduce the... I guess the word would be throw.. Would it reduce the throw in the brake feel, like you have to push it down x amount to have the pedal firm up.


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My understanding is that a SS line will increase the feel by reducing line flex but I don't think it will have any noticeable effect on the pedal travel. If your pedal is feeling squishy it is possible that you need to do a brake flush. DOT3 fluid in the braking system, even sealed, has a limited life. All brake fluids attract water and the more water you get in the brake fluid, the lower and lower the boiling point of the brake fluid is and the more likely the water in the brake fluid is to boil and create air in the lines. You might be able to get by with just a bleed, but if you have never changed the brake fluid, it is probably a good time to do so.

Otherwise, the floating calipers on the S197 are almost always guaranteed to have pretty crappy feel and throw. The whole way the caliper works is the reason for that. You can upgrade to the Brembos if you have wheels that will clear them, which will have much better feel, but I'm not sure the pedal will firm up all that much.

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Being still on stock this is a good thread. Please keep asking and responding.

I only focus on my breaks at the track where I put them through harsh treatment. Hitting them after crossing the line has got to get them hotter than the intended design.
I drive to and from the track and drive the car as my daily driver during the better months and have wondered what would be the best to replace the stockers under these combined conditions when the time comes to replace them.
I'm assuming you are talking about braking at the end of a 1/4 mile run? I honestly wouldn't worry about the stock stuff not holding up in that condition. Unless you are hot lapping A LOT you aren't putting that much stress into the braking system. I believe Ford's standard is something like 4-5 60-0 panic stops before noticeable fade while performing those panic stops in quick succession. You probably spend more time between runs in the staging lanes then they do between the panic stops. There is a standard out there that they have to meet at a minimum. Anything else, like on the Brembo stangs, is just a bonus.

You could literally get by with pretty much any street pad you want. When we start talking about high temperatures generated under braking, we are talking about running on a road course where you have 7-14 turns with straights before them that you have to drag 3700ish lbs with driver and fuel down to a specific speed before making the turn or you end up with an agricultural excursion.



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Yes, SS lines will reduce throw due to less line flex. It will be minimal. I will tell you again that I definitely feel a difference every time I add SS lines to a vehicle.


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