Bassani Offroad X-Pipe and Borla Cat Back Exhaust

Gunny · July 31st, 2006, 10:22 AM

I recently purchased the Bassani offroad X-Pipe with a Borla cat-back exhaust for my 2006 Mustang GT. The only other mod is a K&N Aircharger. The sound from the exhaust was horrible. There was all sorts of crackling and it generally sounded like crap. I took the X-pipe off and the Borla's sounded great. Bassani won't take them back and said I should invest more money and buy their high flow cats. They said the Borla's were causing all the crackiling when coupled with the offroad X-pipe. Have any of you heard of this? Are there any reccomendations before going on to blow another $350 on cats (not even sure that they will work as advertised)? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

AtlanticBlue99 · July 31st, 2006, 10:24 AM

Yes that is the problem. That muffler with no catalytic converters will crackle and pop on decelleration loudly. Add cats and it will tone down the crackles a bit.

Gunny · July 31st, 2006, 10:26 AM

Amazingly fast response! I am still amazed and the politeness and professionalism of these mustang forums. Thank you AtlanticBlue99. I reckon I will dump some money and hope for the best. Thanks!

AtlanticBlue99 · July 31st, 2006, 10:34 AM

Be sure to get high quality catalytic converters. If you drove the car without cats, did you also have a tune to turn off the rear oxygen sensors? Did you happen to throw a Check Engine Light?

I know from experience that without cats, it is much much louder, and with a crackly muffler to begin with, removing cats amplifies the sound. Some people actually like the crackles, but to each his own.

I am just wondering if you threw a CEL without cats, or if you purchased MIL eliminators to "turn off" the rear oxygen sensors.

orangeRcode · July 31st, 2006, 10:49 AM

I had a Bassani catted x with the Borla Stinger catback on my Mach. It sounded awesome and got lots of compliments. No raspiness or cracking at deceleration just a nice low gurgle. I now have longtubes and o/r x and there is some rasp to it but it sound absolutely wicked at WOT. I would put your stock midpipe back on until you can pony up the $ for a set of good flowing cats.

Pickperf · July 31st, 2006, 12:29 PM

THis would not be the first time i have heard problems with catless x-pipes. I had a customer with a BBK catless x and he complained about the same problem. However, i have noticed the main diff. is with the x type, and not as prominent with the h style.

mdvaldosta · July 31st, 2006, 12:32 PM

I don't get much cracklink with an offroad Prochamber and Flowmaster mufflers. Alittle if decelerating from high rpm, but I kinda like it

Gunny · July 31st, 2006, 09:33 PM

AtlanticBlue99, my stang never threw the infamous CEL. I was completely surprised and was expecting to have to use the MIL eliminators. All I did was throw the oxygen sensors in the treaded holes provided on the Bassani X-pipe and bolt the rest together. No problems like that at all. I have no tune on my ride currently, but just ordered the Diablo Predator. I heard a great many good things about this tuner and will likely go with the 91 octane tune; alas, that probably belongs on an other thread sorry for digressing:-)

Gunny · July 31st, 2006, 09:35 PM

Pickperf, did you ever figure out what the deal was? It seems to happen predominantly around the 2K to 3500 range. Interestingingly enough, that's where my Borla's are the loudest (drone wise). I guess my major disappointment is that Bassani said it was the Borla and they apparently don;t "work" with Borla. I'm just frustrated to have spent the money on it to have it sitting in my basement. The funds could have gone to something more productive, you know?

ChrisJ · July 31st, 2006, 09:42 PM

I love my bassani x-pipe...IMHO get rid of the catback...Keep the X-pipe...

O/R X-Pipe + Chambered Cat-Back = Goodtimes

Catted X-Pipe + Straight Through Cat-Back = Goodtimes

Any other mix not so IMHO...

flattusmaximus78 · August 1st, 2006, 05:52 AM

No rice crispies here.

If you like the sound leave the o/r x pipe on and put your ford stuff back on.
You did save your old parts right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ-m4jiMppg

Gunny · August 1st, 2006, 09:23 PM

flattusmaximus78, darn right. I have the old parts. I actually received a call from Bassani today after an e-mail to them regarding the problem. While I still spent the money with them to buy the high flow cats to use with my already purchased x-pipe, they gave me a KILLER price on them. They believe it will solve the rice krispies issue. I'll post what I found out when I get 'em on.

Gunny · August 1st, 2006, 09:28 PM

BTW, the video clip sounds great. If mine sounded like that with the x-pipe, I would have loved it. Thanks for the clip and your ride looks great!

Gunny · August 9th, 2006, 10:00 PM

Received the cats this past weekend and installed them. While it sounds LITTLE better, it still stinks. I'm keeping the Borla's with stock h-pipe and selling the entire Bassani setup. Thanks for the help and advice. Unfortunately, it didn't work for me. TTYL!

flattusmaximus78 · August 11th, 2006, 10:41 PM

That's ashame, I'd hate to have to go through all that b/s. But what you plan on doing should sound good. Audio if you ever can... Id love to hear it!

Sable · August 29th, 2006, 05:16 PM

You should have went with the Stainless Works setup! Better bang for the buck! They stand by their product and go out of there way to help you. I am proof of that. They work hard to make sure every customer is happy and not left starnded like you experienced. They are great guys!

Here's a link to their 05/06 stuff.
Exhaust:
http://www.stainlessworks.net/cart/i...th=380_316_317
Headers:
http://www.stainlessworks.net/cart/i...th=380_316_325

99mustang232 · August 29th, 2006, 05:41 PM

here is a video i took of another board members 05 gt exhaust, sounds much better in person the video doesn't do justice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEqkUykjwc

MAC Ceramic coated longtube headers, MAC Prochamber w/Hi Flow Cats, and Borla Axle Backs

WIKDVNM · July 28th, 2007, 12:35 AM

I have ran the Borla Stingers on both my former cobra and also on mt 05 GT... both combos are the same.. Shortie Headers, Bassani High Flow X pipe and borla Stingers and it has to be the best combo for those mufflers.

Bhblondguy · July 28th, 2007, 01:24 AM

I am running PYPES off road h-pipe with the Borla Stingers. Exellent sound. none of that raspiness you get with an x-pipe. it is loud when you get on it but cruising at 65+ is nice and quiet. the sound is very deep and low from the h. I also don't have cats. gives you an even deeper tone with the stingers.

my advice is to check out some videos on youtube.com
search "h pipe stingers" and a video will come up of a red gt with white stripes. check out that video. sounds amazing. it's what made me decide to go with that setup.

Gunny · July 28th, 2007, 12:50 PM

Thanks all. I will have to revisit the mid pipe/header dilemna again soon. I really hated spending the money on all that only to have to sell it at a loss on eBay. I will certainly listen to more videos. The thing is, I like the way it sounds now, but wish the damn H-Pipe didn't weigh 200 pounds. It's darn heavy. I'd like to invest in headers and new mid-pipe for better exhaust flow, but will have to listen to many more clips prior to deciding this time.

July 31st, 2006, 10:22 AM	#1
Gunny Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 282 iTrader: 0 reviews	Bassani Offroad X-Pipe and Borla Cat Back Exhaust I recently purchased the Bassani offroad X-Pipe with a Borla cat-back exhaust for my 2006 Mustang GT. The only other mod is a K&N Aircharger. The sound from the exhaust was horrible. There was all sorts of crackling and it generally sounded like crap. I took the X-pipe off and the Borla's sounded great. Bassani won't take them back and said I should invest more money and buy their high flow cats. They said the Borla's were causing all the crackiling when coupled with the offroad X-pipe. Have any of you heard of this? Are there any reccomendations before going on to blow another $350 on cats (not even sure that they will work as advertised)? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

July 31st, 2006, 10:24 AM	#2
AtlanticBlue99 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1999 Ford Mustang V6 14.79 @ 92.15 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: University of Georgia Posts: 8,854 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	Yes that is the problem. That muffler with no catalytic converters will crackle and pop on decelleration loudly. Add cats and it will tone down the crackles a bit. __________________ ModdedAutos 1999 Mustang V6 I used to list my mods here but stopped when I exceeded 255 characters.

July 31st, 2006, 10:26 AM	#3
Gunny Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 282 iTrader: 0 reviews	Amazingly fast response! I am still amazed and the politeness and professionalism of these mustang forums. Thank you AtlanticBlue99. I reckon I will dump some money and hope for the best. Thanks! __________________ 2006 GT 5 Speed Convertible Whipple HO SC (461 RWHP / 444 Torque) 4.10 Gears Pypes O/R H-Pipe Borla Stingers Cat Back Exhaust Various suspension goodies For more info, visit: http://www.themorgansite.com/Mustang/mustang_info.htm

July 31st, 2006, 10:34 AM	#4
AtlanticBlue99 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1999 Ford Mustang V6 14.79 @ 92.15 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: University of Georgia Posts: 8,854 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	Be sure to get high quality catalytic converters. If you drove the car without cats, did you also have a tune to turn off the rear oxygen sensors? Did you happen to throw a Check Engine Light? I know from experience that without cats, it is much much louder, and with a crackly muffler to begin with, removing cats amplifies the sound. Some people actually like the crackles, but to each his own. I am just wondering if you threw a CEL without cats, or if you purchased MIL eliminators to "turn off" the rear oxygen sensors. __________________ ModdedAutos 1999 Mustang V6 I used to list my mods here but stopped when I exceeded 255 characters.

July 31st, 2006, 10:49 AM	#5
orangeRcode Hardcore Enthusiast 11.21@123 -150 shot Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mustang/Yukon, OK Posts: 1,828 iTrader: 1 reviews	I had a Bassani catted x with the Borla Stinger catback on my Mach. It sounded awesome and got lots of compliments. No raspiness or cracking at deceleration just a nice low gurgle. I now have longtubes and o/r x and there is some rasp to it but it sound absolutely wicked at WOT. I would put your stock midpipe back on until you can pony up the $ for a set of good flowing cats. __________________

July 31st, 2006, 12:29 PM	#6
Pickperf Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Houston,Tx Posts: 14 iTrader: 0 reviews	THis would not be the first time i have heard problems with catless x-pipes. I had a customer with a BBK catless x and he complained about the same problem. However, i have noticed the main diff. is with the x type, and not as prominent with the h style. __________________ Kyle Pickett Pickett Performance Inc. sales@pickettperformance.com www.pickettperformance.com 281-531-7322

July 31st, 2006, 12:32 PM	#7
mdvaldosta MM Fanatic 2002 Mustang GT 11.47@120.58 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Valdosta, GA Posts: 3,940 iTrader: 0 reviews	I don't get much cracklink with an offroad Prochamber and Flowmaster mufflers. Alittle if decelerating from high rpm, but I kinda like it

July 31st, 2006, 09:33 PM	#8
Gunny Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 282 iTrader: 0 reviews	AtlanticBlue99, my stang never threw the infamous CEL. I was completely surprised and was expecting to have to use the MIL eliminators. All I did was throw the oxygen sensors in the treaded holes provided on the Bassani X-pipe and bolt the rest together. No problems like that at all. I have no tune on my ride currently, but just ordered the Diablo Predator. I heard a great many good things about this tuner and will likely go with the 91 octane tune; alas, that probably belongs on an other thread sorry for digressing:-) __________________ 2006 GT 5 Speed Convertible Whipple HO SC (461 RWHP / 444 Torque) 4.10 Gears Pypes O/R H-Pipe Borla Stingers Cat Back Exhaust Various suspension goodies For more info, visit: http://www.themorgansite.com/Mustang/mustang_info.htm

July 31st, 2006, 09:35 PM	#9
Gunny Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 282 iTrader: 0 reviews	Pickperf, did you ever figure out what the deal was? It seems to happen predominantly around the 2K to 3500 range. Interestingingly enough, that's where my Borla's are the loudest (drone wise). I guess my major disappointment is that Bassani said it was the Borla and they apparently don;t "work" with Borla. I'm just frustrated to have spent the money on it to have it sitting in my basement. The funds could have gone to something more productive, you know? __________________ 2006 GT 5 Speed Convertible Whipple HO SC (461 RWHP / 444 Torque) 4.10 Gears Pypes O/R H-Pipe Borla Stingers Cat Back Exhaust Various suspension goodies For more info, visit: http://www.themorgansite.com/Mustang/mustang_info.htm

July 31st, 2006, 09:42 PM	#10
ChrisJ RLY SRS Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ft. Meade, MD Posts: 38,220 Blog Entries: 4 iTrader: 10 reviews	I love my bassani x-pipe...IMHO get rid of the catback...Keep the X-pipe... O/R X-Pipe + Chambered Cat-Back = Goodtimes Catted X-Pipe + Straight Through Cat-Back = Goodtimes Any other mix not so IMHO... __________________ 2008 Acura TL Type-S - 2008 EB Ford Expedition - 2002 Boosted GT - Sold Facebook Google+

August 1st, 2006, 05:52 AM	#11
flattusmaximus78 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1993 5.ohhhh 12.97 @140mph Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Gatorland Posts: 6,121 iTrader: 3 reviews	No rice crispies here. If you like the sound leave the o/r x pipe on and put your ford stuff back on. You did save your old parts right. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ-m4jiMppg __________________ 02 Pewter z28, hoosiers/lid/exhaust/spray...125mph 1993 gt Sold, already missed --Moates Quarter horse $225-- --Cobra intake $150-- --tremec 3550 bell and shifter $1100--

August 1st, 2006, 09:23 PM	#12
Gunny Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 282 iTrader: 0 reviews	flattusmaximus78, darn right. I have the old parts. I actually received a call from Bassani today after an e-mail to them regarding the problem. While I still spent the money with them to buy the high flow cats to use with my already purchased x-pipe, they gave me a KILLER price on them. They believe it will solve the rice krispies issue. I'll post what I found out when I get 'em on.

August 1st, 2006, 09:28 PM	#13
Gunny Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 282 iTrader: 0 reviews	BTW, the video clip sounds great. If mine sounded like that with the x-pipe, I would have loved it. Thanks for the clip and your ride looks great! __________________ 2006 GT 5 Speed Convertible Whipple HO SC (461 RWHP / 444 Torque) 4.10 Gears Pypes O/R H-Pipe Borla Stingers Cat Back Exhaust Various suspension goodies For more info, visit: http://www.themorgansite.com/Mustang/mustang_info.htm

August 9th, 2006, 10:00 PM	#14
Gunny Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 282 iTrader: 0 reviews	Received the cats this past weekend and installed them. While it sounds LITTLE better, it still stinks. I'm keeping the Borla's with stock h-pipe and selling the entire Bassani setup. Thanks for the help and advice. Unfortunately, it didn't work for me. TTYL! __________________ 2006 GT 5 Speed Convertible Whipple HO SC (461 RWHP / 444 Torque) 4.10 Gears Pypes O/R H-Pipe Borla Stingers Cat Back Exhaust Various suspension goodies For more info, visit: http://www.themorgansite.com/Mustang/mustang_info.htm

August 11th, 2006, 10:41 PM	#15
flattusmaximus78 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1993 5.ohhhh 12.97 @140mph Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Gatorland Posts: 6,121 iTrader: 3 reviews	That's ashame, I'd hate to have to go through all that b/s. But what you plan on doing should sound good. Audio if you ever can... Id love to hear it! __________________ 02 Pewter z28, hoosiers/lid/exhaust/spray...125mph 1993 gt Sold, already missed --Moates Quarter horse $225-- --Cobra intake $150-- --tremec 3550 bell and shifter $1100--

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August 29th, 2006, 05:16 PM	#16
Sable Regular 2002 Mustang GT 12.8@109 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Akron, Ohio Posts: 106 iTrader: 0 reviews	You should have went with the Stainless Works setup! Better bang for the buck! They stand by their product and go out of there way to help you. I am proof of that. They work hard to make sure every customer is happy and not left starnded like you experienced. They are great guys! Here's a link to their 05/06 stuff. Exhaust: http://www.stainlessworks.net/cart/i...th=380_316_317 Headers: http://www.stainlessworks.net/cart/i...th=380_316_325 __________________ 2002 True Blue Mustang GT M5 309 rwhp 320 rwtq tune by Big Shot Dyno Best: 12.8 @ 109 mph 2004 Cosmos GTO M6 (1 of 366) 530 RWHP 510 RWT Tuned by Back Street Performance Best: 11.33 @ 129mph

August 29th, 2006, 05:41 PM	#17
99mustang232 MM Fanatic 1999 Ford Mustang V6 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: newport news, va Posts: 3,745 iTrader: 0 reviews	here is a video i took of another board members 05 gt exhaust, sounds much better in person the video doesn't do justice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEqkUykjwc MAC Ceramic coated longtube headers, MAC Prochamber w/Hi Flow Cats, and Borla Axle Backs __________________ ...even fire and single cammin 1986 Ford F-150 5.0L 2WD 1994 Toyota Pickup 2.4L 4WD 1999 Ford Mustang 3.8L V6 2002 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0L 2WD 2008 GMC Sierra Denali 6.2L AWD

July 28th, 2007, 12:35 AM	#18
WIKDVNM Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 169 iTrader: 0 reviews	I have ran the Borla Stingers on both my former cobra and also on mt 05 GT... both combos are the same.. Shortie Headers, Bassani High Flow X pipe and borla Stingers and it has to be the best combo for those mufflers. __________________ 2003 Cobra...604rwhp/548rwtq 2005 Mustang GT.. Project "Retribution" President / Founder California Mustang Club www.CA-Mustangs.com MM Cobra Club #45

July 28th, 2007, 01:24 AM	#19
Bhblondguy Hardcore Enthusiast 2005 Mustang GT 12.00@114.82 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Baytown, Tx. Posts: 1,234 iTrader: 0 reviews	I am running PYPES off road h-pipe with the Borla Stingers. Exellent sound. none of that raspiness you get with an x-pipe. it is loud when you get on it but cruising at 65+ is nice and quiet. the sound is very deep and low from the h. I also don't have cats. gives you an even deeper tone with the stingers. my advice is to check out some videos on youtube.com search "h pipe stingers" and a video will come up of a red gt with white stripes. check out that video. sounds amazing. it's what made me decide to go with that setup.

July 28th, 2007, 12:50 PM	#20
Gunny Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 282 iTrader: 0 reviews	Thanks all. I will have to revisit the mid pipe/header dilemna again soon. I really hated spending the money on all that only to have to sell it at a loss on eBay. I will certainly listen to more videos. The thing is, I like the way it sounds now, but wish the damn H-Pipe didn't weigh 200 pounds. It's darn heavy. I'd like to invest in headers and new mid-pipe for better exhaust flow, but will have to listen to many more clips prior to deciding this time. __________________ 2006 GT 5 Speed Convertible Whipple HO SC (461 RWHP / 444 Torque) 4.10 Gears Pypes O/R H-Pipe Borla Stingers Cat Back Exhaust Various suspension goodies For more info, visit: http://www.themorgansite.com/Mustang/mustang_info.htm

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