New Cams

blackhavok · October 27th, 2007, 08:47 PM

i finally ordered some stage 3 cams with valve springs and steel retainers. can anyone tell me what else im going to need for the install? and also describe the install in detail? any help would be appreciated

HMUSN · October 27th, 2007, 08:50 PM

a Tune.

Modern_Muscle · October 27th, 2007, 09:19 PM

which ones? comp, crane, or crower?
for the comps, youre fine, just get a tune, and expect 25-30 hp
for the cranes, you might want to check your spring seat pressures, if the springs arent crane, as a tech friend said he was concerned after looking at the seat pressures of the comp springs in conjunction with the crane cams.
get headwork to maximize the cranes, and expect 35-40 hp.
for crowers, should be the same. as cranes.

blackhavok · October 27th, 2007, 09:28 PM

yea theyre the comp cams stage 3's with comp valve springs and steel retainers. so all i would need is a tune? how about any special tools for the actual install? and how difficult is it going to be?

killermach1 · October 27th, 2007, 10:17 PM

Are you looking at doing this your self? I would have a shop do it, MM&FF had an article a few months back on cam swapping for the S197 with the stage III Comp Cams, valvesprings, and retainers. They stated that this was NOT something that should be done by anyone but professionals. They had specialized tools and accessories such as the valve spring compressor from ford etc. Look into it before deciding to do it yourself.

thurman · October 27th, 2007, 11:42 PM

+1 on having a pro.
Took a ford tech 10 hrs

HMUSN · October 27th, 2007, 11:45 PM

welcome to the forums thurman

06RedfireGT · October 27th, 2007, 11:50 PM

^+1

A cam install is NOT something for a shade tree mechanic.

thurman · October 27th, 2007, 11:50 PM

Thank you.

06RedfireGT · October 27th, 2007, 11:52 PM

NP

Check out the rest of the forum. There is a lot of information on here. And if you venture into the clubhouse be sure to use protection :wink

thurman · October 28th, 2007, 12:16 AM

lol, I will keep it in mind.

Modern_Muscle · October 28th, 2007, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by 06RedfireGT

NP

Check out the rest of me. There is not a lot of information in here. And if you venture into the Redfire be sure not to use protection :wink

fixed!

06RedfireGT · October 28th, 2007, 10:31 AM

blackhavok · October 30th, 2007, 01:31 AM

thanks for that article killermach1. and thurman did the cams really help u out? were they worth it?what were ur gains?

06saleen3v · October 30th, 2007, 04:59 PM

I have heard that the stock cams on the S197 are very good from the factory so the gains aren't too significant for the aftermarket ones...plus they lose a little torque and I love torque

blackhavok · October 30th, 2007, 05:06 PM

ive also heard that but that mm&ff showed gains and also an article on brenspeed.

JohnnyZ · October 31st, 2007, 10:04 AM

If you go back to Oct. of last year. BBR had some serious gains w/ their Stage I 3V cams. Spec wise. BBR's Stage I cams are close to the Comp Stage IV cams.
The test car they used in the article was at 351 RWHP w/ ported heads and Stage I cams.

06saleen3v · October 31st, 2007, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyZ

If you go back to Oct. of last year. BBR had some serious gains w/ their Stage I 3V cams. Spec wise. BBR's Stage I cams are close to the Comp Stage IV cams.
The test car they used in the article was at 351 RWHP w/ ported heads and Stage I cams.

Thats why the gains were big

JohnnyZ · November 1st, 2007, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by 06saleen3v

Originally Posted by JohnnyZ

If you go back to Oct. of last year. BBR had some serious gains w/ their Stage I 3V cams. Spec wise. BBR's Stage I cams are close to the Comp Stage IV cams.
The test car they used in the article was at 351 RWHP w/ ported heads and Stage I cams.

Thats why the gains were big

heads alone only brought the car to about 330 rwhp.

blackhavok · November 1st, 2007, 02:35 AM

yea thats another mod im going to do further down the line. looks like itts worth it. im thinkin about the ford racing heads though.

October 27th, 2007, 08:47 PM	#1
blackhavok Enthusiast 2006 Mustang GT 10.82@125.2 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: McAllen, Texas Posts: 751 iTrader: 0 reviews	New Cams i finally ordered some stage 3 cams with valve springs and steel retainers. can anyone tell me what else im going to need for the install? and also describe the install in detail? any help would be appreciated

October 27th, 2007, 08:50 PM	#2
HMUSN Doc 1986 SVO Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 36,836 iTrader: 9 reviews	a Tune. __________________

October 27th, 2007, 09:19 PM	#3
Modern_Muscle Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 1,347 iTrader: 1 reviews	which ones? comp, crane, or crower? for the comps, youre fine, just get a tune, and expect 25-30 hp for the cranes, you might want to check your spring seat pressures, if the springs arent crane, as a tech friend said he was concerned after looking at the seat pressures of the comp springs in conjunction with the crane cams. get headwork to maximize the cranes, and expect 35-40 hp. for crowers, should be the same. as cranes. __________________ 1998 Trans Am WS6. (Anti Venom) Forged 347, stage 3 T56, and a 76mm Turbo... 659rwhp @ 13.5# ~725rwhp @ 15.5# Meth, C16, and 20psi coming soon 03 Z71 (H/C/I/E/T)...sold 2005 GT, Full Bolt-Ons...12's... GONE

October 27th, 2007, 09:28 PM	#4
blackhavok Enthusiast 2006 Mustang GT 10.82@125.2 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: McAllen, Texas Posts: 751 iTrader: 0 reviews	yea theyre the comp cams stage 3's with comp valve springs and steel retainers. so all i would need is a tune? how about any special tools for the actual install? and how difficult is it going to be? __________________ www.RADMustangs.com www.s197Performance.com Bassani Crew Member #2 10.82@125.2

October 27th, 2007, 11:42 PM	#6
thurman Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 11 iTrader: 0 reviews	+1 on having a pro. Took a ford tech 10 hrs __________________ 07 gt comp cams,kooks,shaker,bmr upr & lwr, hurst,4.10's,diablo,zex,procharger 14psi,d specs,spydershaft,udp's,dr's,chin classic,ductail,corsa's,8 pt roll cage

October 27th, 2007, 10:17 PM	#5
killermach1 Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 349 iTrader: 0 reviews	Are you looking at doing this your self? I would have a shop do it, MM&FF had an article a few months back on cam swapping for the S197 with the stage III Comp Cams, valvesprings, and retainers. They stated that this was NOT something that should be done by anyone but professionals. They had specialized tools and accessories such as the valve spring compressor from ford etc. Look into it before deciding to do it yourself.

October 27th, 2007, 11:45 PM	#7
HMUSN Doc 1986 SVO Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 36,836 iTrader: 9 reviews	welcome to the forums thurman __________________

October 27th, 2007, 11:50 PM	#8
06RedfireGT One Man Wolf Pack 2006 Mustang GT 13ish....maybe Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Regulatin On Some OGs Posts: 22,202 iTrader: 2 reviews	^+1 A cam install is NOT something for a shade tree mechanic. __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

October 27th, 2007, 11:50 PM	#9
thurman Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 11 iTrader: 0 reviews	Thank you. __________________ 07 gt comp cams,kooks,shaker,bmr upr & lwr, hurst,4.10's,diablo,zex,procharger 14psi,d specs,spydershaft,udp's,dr's,chin classic,ductail,corsa's,8 pt roll cage

October 27th, 2007, 11:52 PM	#10
06RedfireGT One Man Wolf Pack 2006 Mustang GT 13ish....maybe Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Regulatin On Some OGs Posts: 22,202 iTrader: 2 reviews	NP Check out the rest of the forum. There is a lot of information on here. And if you venture into the clubhouse be sure to use protection :wink __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

October 28th, 2007, 12:16 AM	#11
thurman Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 11 iTrader: 0 reviews	lol, I will keep it in mind. __________________ 07 gt comp cams,kooks,shaker,bmr upr & lwr, hurst,4.10's,diablo,zex,procharger 14psi,d specs,spydershaft,udp's,dr's,chin classic,ductail,corsa's,8 pt roll cage

October 28th, 2007, 10:31 AM	#13
06RedfireGT One Man Wolf Pack 2006 Mustang GT 13ish....maybe Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Regulatin On Some OGs Posts: 22,202 iTrader: 2 reviews	__________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

October 30th, 2007, 01:31 AM	#14
blackhavok Enthusiast 2006 Mustang GT 10.82@125.2 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: McAllen, Texas Posts: 751 iTrader: 0 reviews	thanks for that article killermach1. and thurman did the cams really help u out? were they worth it?what were ur gains? __________________ www.RADMustangs.com www.s197Performance.com Bassani Crew Member #2 10.82@125.2

October 30th, 2007, 04:59 PM	#15
06saleen3v Regular Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 331 iTrader: 0 reviews	I have heard that the stock cams on the S197 are very good from the factory so the gains aren't too significant for the aftermarket ones...plus they lose a little torque and I love torque __________________ 2006 Saleen 3V #483 301rwhp 316rwtq Pypes O/R H-Pipe SCT XCal2 C&L CAI Hurst Short Throw Shifter Saleen 3:73 gears Smoked Tailights 3M ClearBra Tint

October 30th, 2007, 05:06 PM	#16
blackhavok Enthusiast 2006 Mustang GT 10.82@125.2 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: McAllen, Texas Posts: 751 iTrader: 0 reviews	ive also heard that but that mm&ff showed gains and also an article on brenspeed. __________________ www.RADMustangs.com www.s197Performance.com Bassani Crew Member #2 10.82@125.2

October 31st, 2007, 10:04 AM	#17
JohnnyZ Enthusiast 2011 5.0L Mustang GT 7.01@100mph Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Wellington, Florida Posts: 660 iTrader: 0 reviews	If you go back to Oct. of last year. BBR had some serious gains w/ their Stage I 3V cams. Spec wise. BBR's Stage I cams are close to the Comp Stage IV cams. The test car they used in the article was at 351 RWHP w/ ported heads and Stage I cams. __________________ 2011 5.0L Mustang GT - Powered by HELLION / Tuned by BLOW BY RACING

November 1st, 2007, 02:35 AM	#20
blackhavok Enthusiast 2006 Mustang GT 10.82@125.2 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: McAllen, Texas Posts: 751 iTrader: 0 reviews	yea thats another mod im going to do further down the line. looks like itts worth it. im thinkin about the ford racing heads though. __________________ www.RADMustangs.com www.s197Performance.com Bassani Crew Member #2 10.82@125.2

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