[KenDogg]

possibly a foolish question... does anyone know why ford doesn't simply put certain things on the car from the factory to boast higher hp? It seems like a CAI would be extremely cheap for them to implement, so would a tuning for 93 octane.

[1FastFox]

the stock intake isnt that bad for a factory one. Also 93 isnt avail in all states. Plus that would cut down on the advertised milage hence cutting back on interested people... Not everyone is into modding their mustangs. Dont get me wrong theres a few things that I dont think would have hurt to come from the factory with...

[KenDogg]

doesn't have anything to do with emissions does it? i dont think a CAI affects emissions?

[catchtheroadrunner]

Because they don't build the car first, they determine how much their target buyer will spend. Then they produce a budget and spread it around. Something may have only cost them $20 to put in your car, but over hundreds of thousands of other's cars that's a lot. There's a term called "market gap" which, as far as I can tell, means the same as profit. The "gap" is how much money a product or service generates minus how much money was required to develop the product or service.

[Jucostud]

Originally Posted by 1FastFox Plus that would cut down on the advertised milage hence cutting back on interested people

a cai and 93 octane improve gas milage

[killermach1]

All of the above plus ford has a vested interest in the aftermarket. They are in the business of making money (FRPP, Steeda, Roush, Saleen, Whipple) they have ties to all of these companies and more I am sure. If they made a car as good as it could ever be when it came off the show room floor it would be expensive first of all and there would be no need to MOD it which would be no good for the after market sellers or Ford for that matter. I think the lack of perfection is what draws us to the car it allows us to make them "ours" unique. No one persons mustang is exactly like anothers and having a say in how your car turns out makes the bond with your car even closer.

[TheUNZippee!]

Because the average Joe just wants to buy the car, stick the 87 octane hose in it, and drive it.

Think about it. Hundreds of thousands of these cars have been sold since the new 05 model..

Yet there are, on this board anyway, 13,000 members. Who knows how many of those are S197 owners. So us modding types are not the average Joe, although it seems like we are the majority. But the majority just want to get in the car, turn the key, and drive it.

[06GTMustang89]

Originally Posted by killermach1 All of the above plus ford has a vested interest in the aftermarket. They are in the business of making money (FRPP, Steeda, Roush, Saleen, Whipple) they have ties to all of these companies and more I am sure. If they made a car as good as it could ever be when it came off the show room floor it would be expensive first of all and there would be no need to MOD it which would be no good for the after market sellers or Ford for that matter. I think the lack of perfection is what draws us to the car it allows us to make them "ours" unique. No one persons mustang is exactly like anothers and having a say in how your car turns out makes the bond with your car even closer.

couldn't have said it better myself....you just got some more rep buddy

[06GTMustang89]

Originally Posted by TheUNZippee! Because the average Joe just wants to buy the car, stick the 87 octane hose in it, and drive it. Think about it. Hundreds of thousands of these cars have been sold since the new 05 model.. Yet there are, on this board anyway, 13,000 members. Who knows how many of those are S197 owners. So us modding types are not the average Joe, although it seems like we are the majority. But the majority just want to get in the car, turn the key, and drive it.

and those people are no fun!! i don't like the type of people that don't personalize there car, shows that they have zero creativity...

[IronStomach]

I can't remember the last time I saw 93 octane gas and I drive 300 miles a week all over the Chicago 'burbs. Granted there's 101 AVgas two miles from my house - but $5 a gallon to melt the insides of the poor engine?

Originally Posted by catchtheroadrunner Because they don't build the car first, they determine how much their target buyer will spend. Then they produce a budget and spread it around. Something may have only cost them $20 to put in your car, but over hundreds of thousands of other's cars that's a lot. There's a term called "market gap" which, as far as I can tell, means the same as profit. The "gap" is how much money a product or service generates minus how much money was required to develop the product or service.

Yeah, in some cases "market gap" = make or break line. It's amazing how some products have a huge elasticity of demand with respect to price. In english - little changes in the price can create wild fluctuations in consumer perception of value within their budget preferences.

Plus it's the classic case of the olive company dropping one olive from their jars saving the entire company some half a billion dollars or something.

Couple hundred thousand cars and if the public doesn't perceive the price is worth it, then the dealers can't sell the cars with it and so they don't order the cars with it and Ford has to keep parts and plans for how many years and service techinicians for how many years for one little part.

Besides, the Mustang aftermarket community is absolutely huge - I'm sure Ford doesn't want to disturb that coexistance....

[IronStomach]

Originally Posted by killermach1 All of the above plus ford has a vested interest in the aftermarket. They are in the business of making money (FRPP, Steeda, Roush, Saleen, Whipple) they have ties to all of these companies and more I am sure. If they made a car as good as it could ever be when it came off the show room floor it would be expensive first of all and there would be no need to MOD it which would be no good for the after market sellers or Ford for that matter. I think the lack of perfection is what draws us to the car it allows us to make them "ours" unique. No one persons mustang is exactly like anothers and having a say in how your car turns out makes the bond with your car even closer.

Exactly - actually that sounds like the editorial in this months issue of Mustang 5.0.

[killermach1]

Originally Posted by EfylSetaf Exactly - actually that sounds like the editorial in this months issue of Mustang 5.0.

Thanks, but it is true especially for us on this forum I live for modding my cars. Saving every cent until the next part I can buy, doing the reasearch on what this does and what that does. My wife has a house filling up with parts while I am deployed here in Afghanistan.

[99Light]

[quote=EfylSetaf;723435]I can't remember the last time I saw 93 octane gas and I drive 300 miles a week all over the Chicago 'burbs. Granted there's 101 AVgas two miles from my house - but $5 a gallon to melt the insides of the poor engine?


Your in st charles and you cant find 93 octane? i live in the burbs of chicago as well i cant say ive ever seen a gas station that doesnt sell 93 octane. In Illinios they sell 87 89 and 93 octane. Citgo's Shell Mobil Marathon and even all the smaller independants all sell 93 octane. It is the only grade of fuel i ever use in any of my vehicles.

[DanRHeller]

Cafe standards.....

[IronStomach]

[quote=99Light;723522]

Originally Posted by EfylSetaf I can't remember the last time I saw 93 octane gas and I drive 300 miles a week all over the Chicago 'burbs. Granted there's 101 AVgas two miles from my house - but $5 a gallon to melt the insides of the poor engine? Your in st charles and you cant find 93 octane? i live in the burbs of chicago as well i cant say ive ever seen a gas station that doesnt sell 93 octane. In Illinios they sell 87 89 and 93 octane. Citgo's Shell Mobil Marathon and even all the smaller independants all sell 93 octane. It is the only grade of fuel i ever use in any of my vehicles.

Odd, I've just only noticed the 87, 89 and 91. Then again I usually only use BP - only two gas stations in five miles of my house: one is Shell that has repeatedly sold bad gas over the years and the other is currently, and quite publicly, funding Hugo Chavez. Which means I fill up at the BPs five miles away.

Thanks for pointing that out though... here I just thought we were lowlifes that nobody gave a rat's bum about.