[killermach1]

Ok I have been leaning toward a Kenne Bell Supercharger for a while and have not had much interest in centri's so this question may come as a shock to all of you. Procharger claims on their website that their HO Intercooled system for the 05-07 3v pushes 10 psi of boost and puts 460 hp to the rear wheels. They say all of this on a stock engine and 91 octane pump gas. If that is true is it safe? I have read over and over that the limit on the stock internals and block is 450rwhp so if the Procharger kit gets 460rwhp isnt that asking for a catastrophy? I would feel safe given all I have read pushing 400-430 to the wheels but not much more. I know there are Procharger users on here so please chime in I am exploring ALL options I know the Procharger is a good system, I am just concerned with the limits of our internals and having longevity in what ever I do. The power is for me and I don't plan on racing this car other than the occasional street race, so I dont plan on a forged bottom end at this time.

[05mustang_TT_charged]

the bottom end isn't safe at any horsepower, the 450 rwhp is a guestamation because no one knows when it will fail. they had cars blow up at 400 rwhp and some cars running fine with 500 + rwhp, it is just a gamble you take to go fast

[06RedfireGT]

With an excellent, conservative tune, you would be fine. Like 05kb said, you take a gamble when adding FI, but there are plenty of people running that much power on the stock bottom.

[killermach1]

Where is Emay? Emay, what are your thoughts since you run the Procharger?

[forensicsteve]

I had a P1SC HO for over a year at 10 lbs. Think it was at about 480 rwhp. 05mustang_kb_charged could confirm that (can't remember to be 100% sure), since he was there during dynotuning. No issues at all with bottom end up to that point. It was a daily driver. I was always a little nervous though about the stock block. Sold it recently and new owner has a 12.2 pass already on street tires.

[1LOUDGT]

It’s all about the tune. You have to get a good dynotune. I have the Novi 2200 from Brenspeed. They say their can tune is about 480rwhp. I also have a dynotune at 440rwhp (note they don’t get any more conservative than my dyno guy). Best time Brenspeed tune is 11.99. Best time dynotune 12.22. Temp difference maybe 7-10 degrees higher on dynotune run and driver got out of the groove. Taking the latter the car runs the same time with a 40hp difference. Also a noticeable difference between the two tunes daily driving. Dyno less fuel consumption idles better, and less vibration don’t ask me why.

[Emay]

Originally Posted by killermach1 Where is Emay? Emay, what are your thoughts since you run the Procharger?

on my way - lol

[1FastFox]

First off the pulley that comes with the kit is only an 8psi pulley. Secondly your fine. Like its been said its all about the tune. If you run a procharger with a conservitive tune you will be fine. I have been running my procharger for almost a year now and had no problems what so ever...

[Emay]

Originally Posted by killermach1 Ok I have been leaning toward a Kenne Bell Supercharger for a while and have not had much interest in centri's so this question may come as a shock to all of you. Procharger claims on their website that their HO Intercooled system for the 05-07 3v pushes 10 psi of boost and puts 460 hp to the rear wheels. They say all of this on a stock engine and 91 octane pump gas. If that is true is it safe? I have read over and over that the limit on the stock internals and block is 450rwhp so if the Procharger kit gets 460rwhp isnt that asking for a catastrophy? I would feel safe given all I have read pushing 400-430 to the wheels but not much more. I know there are Procharger users on here so please chime in I am exploring ALL options I know the Procharger is a good system, I am just concerned with the limits of our internals and having longevity in what ever I do. The power is for me and I don't plan on racing this car other than the occasional street race, so I dont plan on a forged bottom end at this time.

Killer, the HO kit will not produce 460 without being a very hot tune.. It also won't produce 10lbs.

I had started with the intercooled tuner kit which was said to produce 9 to 10 lbs. it only made 8-8.5 and on the dyno it only produced 435-440hp on a hot tune. You may see 460 on an over inflated Dyno Jet, but it will never happen on a mustang dyno.

I quickly went to a smaller pulley and currently carry 11lbs on the gauge. Cars putting down roughly 480 now and I drive the car hard as seen in most of my pictures and videos. My race tune is hotter as it's for 100 octane only and has a little more timing in it. Can't remember those numbers, have to pull the graphs.

Your tuner will be the key. They know where to stop.

Remember these few things, if you want instant boost, and monster torque off idle, your a twin screw man. The procharger is no slouch off the line, my car is a hand full and gets very little traction without Drag radials on. It's just that the centri builds to it's max boost output.

I have nothing negative to say about procharger. The engine bay is a little cramped but it has a cool factor that makes it worthwhile. I have had a great experience with Procharger customer service wise. They keep all of my information on file about the car, and when I call, I really don't have to tell them anything, they already know the specs.

[1FastFox]

( Be sure to check out Elenor @ procharger.com in the customer gallery )

[Emay]

lol, good catch.. I forgot they posted her up there..

[killermach1]

Thanks everyone, Emay specifically. The more I think about it, the more posts I read the more honest I become with my self. I will never be happy staying N/A. No matter how much I tell my self I want to stay N/A I think about it and realize I will never get to where I want without F/I. I am predisposed to twin screw type but am not ruleing any one out (other than turbos) Emay as you stated I would like most of the torque down low with the least lag possible as I will be doing no more than the occasional street race. Right now I am trying to decide between the following Kenne bell (intercooled and non-intercooled), FRPP Whipple (400hp and 500hp kits), and Pro Charger (HO Kit). As stated I would like to stay just over 400rwhp somewhere in the 420-430rwhp range. I was leaning toward the Kenne Bell I sincerly believe they are the best twin screw charger available but have been considering the FRPP only because of the dealer support and warranty concerns. What are your thoughts? Again I do NOT plan on a bottom end build.

[Emay]

No matter what you decide intercool the car. An absolute must. Too much heat is generate already you want the coldest air possible into that throttle body.

I recently did a 8lb KB install locally, non intercooled as the guys wife bought it for him for Christmas, he'll be adding intercooler by spring. I like the kit, but there's a lot of wire rerouting required due to the new location of the throttle body. This sucks if you like an oem looking job because it's time consuming to unloom and reloom. Relocating the washer bottle for the CAI location was required to. That's the only real beef I had..

Outside of that the car runs good. It's streetable, sick torque down low.

[usafimj]

Just wondering. Can you swap out the pulley on a whipple to get more boost. I think you can do it on a KB correct

[06RedfireGT]

You can change the pulleys on every supercharger.

[psycho bob]

hey killer aren't you military. KB has a discount for the military. not sure about the others. if keeping your warranty is important to you i'd suggest the whipple and the saleen in that order, but you will have to have the dealer do the install for the warranty