Procharger P1SC vs D1SC

adam0421 · February 19th, 2008, 12:59 AM

I was wondering what the difference between the 2 head units are? I'm pretty sure the D1 can run more boost and produce more power, but does it have more Lag? Is one louder than the other? Are they both acceptable for a daily driver? I'm not planning on ever taking my car above 450 RWHP and I would still like all the power to be streetable.

I'm having a real hard time deciding between Procharger or Whipple so I would like to at least make up my mind on which procharger I would choose when the time comes so that I can compare the proper model to the whipple.

Also I was wondering what gauges I need to get installed? I know boost and a/f ratio are a must have, any other important ones I need?

Last question, How much did you supercharged guys pay for installation?

Thanks

Adam

forensicsteve · February 19th, 2008, 04:42 AM

I had a Procharger P1SC until recently. It was an excellent unit and upgradeable to the D series but not the F. The D series is more efficient and will provide more boost but if your rwhp goal is 450 and you intend on keeping the stock motor, unless the price difference is small, the P1SC will more than suffice.

The P1SC was very loud. You would definitely lose the sleeper status. There was no lag but it's a centri and is hungry for rpms. Needs 3500 rpms to really get going. I sold my unit and the new owner made a 12.2 quarter pass on street tires. Alas, he also blew his tranny recently (fairly easy fix). I think he had about 450 rear wheel. Unless you're planning on doing major mods (block, tranny, rearend, fuel etc), I would keep it in the 420-450 rwhp range. Still no guarantees at that level.

Emay · February 19th, 2008, 10:52 AM

Forensic gave you sound advice. The D-1 is just a bit more efficient, making a tad more boost at lower RPM and can be spun a bit higher without extreme heat.

I also second his mention of the P1SC being a perfect candidate for the power you want to make. I'm running my P1 at 11 lbs and getting 480 to the pavement on a mustang dyno. Tune is not at all very hot either.

leebunnyz · February 19th, 2008, 07:59 PM

how many lbs can u push on a P-1?

Vabeachmustang · February 20th, 2008, 08:42 AM

Max boost on a P-1SC-1 is 32psi. Stock motor over 10psi is risking it... Link below.

ProCharger Supercharger Models

Emay · February 20th, 2008, 10:25 AM

Thing would be smoldering hot as well swinging AIT temps tremendously at that kinda poundage..

Vabeachmustang · February 20th, 2008, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Emay

Thing would be smoldering hot as well swinging AIT temps tremendously at that kinda poundage..

No kidding. lol

Emay · February 20th, 2008, 10:35 AM

VA, by any chance have you ever asked them what they tested maxes on? I always forget to ask, because I know how hot my IAT get at the track on 11lbs, can't imagine how hot, and how much power loss occurs running all out at 32 on a P-1..

Vabeachmustang · February 20th, 2008, 10:52 AM

I have not since 32psi is not even possible for me at this time.

Emay · February 20th, 2008, 11:59 AM

Me either obviously, curiosity kills the cat..

38stang · October 24th, 2008, 08:32 PM

oh damn this is an old thread I found this in a google search sorry for the revival.

You will never see 32psi with a P1sc. A prime example I have a 96 v6 mustang running a P1sc spinning at 60,000 rpm (max impeller speed is 62,000rpm) and I only make 15psi. I went from a 3.60 pulley making 13psi to 3.20 pulley and only picked up 2psi so yes the P1sc is very inefficient at high impeller speeds. I even lost power because of the extra heat made by it, I went from 12.1X to 12.3x with the smaller pulley (and no there is no belt slip). I will be upgrading to a D1sc and Highly recomend it to any one that wants a procharger unit smaller than a F series.

Emay · October 24th, 2008, 09:57 PM

2 totally different applications. At 6300 rpm I am now pushing 13 and half pounds with a 3.85 pulley off a calibrated mechanical gauge. The way boost has increased for me incrementally over each pulley swap, I would see an easy 18-19lbs with a 3.2 like you did.

No one will ever run a P1sc at 32 PSI on the street, the thing would be boiling oil. ATI did it to prove a point, and that is that it could be done on a cog set up if one were to only require single passes in track use, not street driveability.

The key here is we are maxing our stock motors with reliable cool boost without going to a D-1..

February 19th, 2008, 12:59 AM	#1
adam0421 Regular 06 GT 35.9@15.5MPH in reverse Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 301 iTrader: 0 reviews	Procharger P1SC vs D1SC I was wondering what the difference between the 2 head units are? I'm pretty sure the D1 can run more boost and produce more power, but does it have more Lag? Is one louder than the other? Are they both acceptable for a daily driver? I'm not planning on ever taking my car above 450 RWHP and I would still like all the power to be streetable. I'm having a real hard time deciding between Procharger or Whipple so I would like to at least make up my mind on which procharger I would choose when the time comes so that I can compare the proper model to the whipple. Also I was wondering what gauges I need to get installed? I know boost and a/f ratio are a must have, any other important ones I need? Last question, How much did you supercharged guys pay for installation? Thanks Adam __________________ In order to live, you must be willing to die. 06 Torch Red GT: pypes axleback, Kooks LT's, o/r H pipe. JLT bama 91 Race Tune, 4.10's

February 19th, 2008, 10:52 AM	#3
Emay May 08 ROTM 2008 Audi S6 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: S. Elgin Posts: 6,684 iTrader: 3 reviews	Forensic gave you sound advice. The D-1 is just a bit more efficient, making a tad more boost at lower RPM and can be spun a bit higher without extreme heat. I also second his mention of the P1SC being a perfect candidate for the power you want to make. I'm running my P1 at 11 lbs and getting 480 to the pavement on a mustang dyno. Tune is not at all very hot either. __________________ FLICKR Unique Imagery

February 19th, 2008, 07:59 PM	#4
leebunnyz MM Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Vineland, NJ Posts: 3,550 iTrader: 0 reviews	how many lbs can u push on a P-1? __________________ Jesus Christ is #1 "The Founder Of Crews"

February 20th, 2008, 08:42 AM	#5
Vabeachmustang Enthusiast 2012 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 560 iTrader: 0 reviews	Max boost on a P-1SC-1 is 32psi. Stock motor over 10psi is risking it... Link below. ProCharger Supercharger Models __________________ 2012 Mustang GT - JLT CAI, BBK L/T Headers, BBK X-Pipe, Borla S-Type axle backs, 3.73's more coming soon Latest Dyno: 406 rwhp 377 rwtq need more! MILITARY CREW HMC(SW/AW)

February 20th, 2008, 10:25 AM	#6
Emay May 08 ROTM 2008 Audi S6 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: S. Elgin Posts: 6,684 iTrader: 3 reviews	Thing would be smoldering hot as well swinging AIT temps tremendously at that kinda poundage.. __________________ FLICKR Unique Imagery

February 19th, 2008, 04:42 AM	#2
forensicsteve Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,283 iTrader: 0 reviews	I had a Procharger P1SC until recently. It was an excellent unit and upgradeable to the D series but not the F. The D series is more efficient and will provide more boost but if your rwhp goal is 450 and you intend on keeping the stock motor, unless the price difference is small, the P1SC will more than suffice. The P1SC was very loud. You would definitely lose the sleeper status. There was no lag but it's a centri and is hungry for rpms. Needs 3500 rpms to really get going. I sold my unit and the new owner made a 12.2 quarter pass on street tires. Alas, he also blew his tranny recently (fairly easy fix). I think he had about 450 rear wheel. Unless you're planning on doing major mods (block, tranny, rearend, fuel etc), I would keep it in the 420-450 rwhp range. Still no guarantees at that level.

February 20th, 2008, 10:35 AM	#8
Emay May 08 ROTM 2008 Audi S6 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: S. Elgin Posts: 6,684 iTrader: 3 reviews	VA, by any chance have you ever asked them what they tested maxes on? I always forget to ask, because I know how hot my IAT get at the track on 11lbs, can't imagine how hot, and how much power loss occurs running all out at 32 on a P-1.. __________________ FLICKR Unique Imagery

February 20th, 2008, 10:52 AM	#9
Vabeachmustang Enthusiast 2012 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 560 iTrader: 0 reviews	I have not since 32psi is not even possible for me at this time. __________________ 2012 Mustang GT - JLT CAI, BBK L/T Headers, BBK X-Pipe, Borla S-Type axle backs, 3.73's more coming soon Latest Dyno: 406 rwhp 377 rwtq need more! MILITARY CREW HMC(SW/AW)

February 20th, 2008, 11:59 AM	#10
Emay May 08 ROTM 2008 Audi S6 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: S. Elgin Posts: 6,684 iTrader: 3 reviews	Me either obviously, curiosity kills the cat.. __________________ FLICKR Unique Imagery

October 24th, 2008, 08:32 PM	#11
38stang Newbie Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: VA Posts: 13 iTrader: 0 reviews	oh damn this is an old thread I found this in a google search sorry for the revival. You will never see 32psi with a P1sc. A prime example I have a 96 v6 mustang running a P1sc spinning at 60,000 rpm (max impeller speed is 62,000rpm) and I only make 15psi. I went from a 3.60 pulley making 13psi to 3.20 pulley and only picked up 2psi so yes the P1sc is very inefficient at high impeller speeds. I even lost power because of the extra heat made by it, I went from 12.1X to 12.3x with the smaller pulley (and no there is no belt slip). I will be upgrading to a D1sc and Highly recomend it to any one that wants a procharger unit smaller than a F series. __________________ 05 GT Mustang Mods: tri-ax shifter, SCT tune, JBA long tube headers, Roush off road muflers 96 v6 Mustang Mods: Procharger S/C, 4.2L, SSMS stage 3 heads, SSX sheet metal upper intake, cam 225/230 .545 lift, long tube headers and much more. Last edited by 38stang; October 24th, 2008 at 08:35 PM.

October 24th, 2008, 09:57 PM	#12
Emay May 08 ROTM 2008 Audi S6 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: S. Elgin Posts: 6,684 iTrader: 3 reviews	2 totally different applications. At 6300 rpm I am now pushing 13 and half pounds with a 3.85 pulley off a calibrated mechanical gauge. The way boost has increased for me incrementally over each pulley swap, I would see an easy 18-19lbs with a 3.2 like you did. No one will ever run a P1sc at 32 PSI on the street, the thing would be boiling oil. ATI did it to prove a point, and that is that it could be done on a cog set up if one were to only require single passes in track use, not street driveability. The key here is we are maxing our stock motors with reliable cool boost without going to a D-1.. __________________ FLICKR Unique Imagery Last edited by Emay; October 24th, 2008 at 09:59 PM.

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