New To Modifying Your S197 Mustang GT? Look Here. Updated

rickles512 · April 11th, 2008, 01:22 AM

Wondering if you should add cams to that list and explain...I for would would like to know more about that

rickles512 · April 11th, 2008, 01:23 AM

Sorry sounded retarded...I for one would like to know more about cams and performance gains

Luis_GT · April 12th, 2008, 06:14 PM

I gave you rep, just to prove I can be a nice guy

07stanggt · April 12th, 2008, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by rickles512

Sorry sounded retarded...I for one would like to know more about cams and performance gains

what do you want to know about cams?

06RedfireGT · April 12th, 2008, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by rickles512

Wondering if you should add cams to that list and explain...I for would would like to know more about that

I wanted to just keep it simple with just easy bolt-ons. Depending on how aggressive the cam profile is you can see gains from20-45hp. The higher HP cams require a lot more intense install so the bill will be much higher.

Lazyracer · April 13th, 2008, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by EfylSetaf

He probably meant Motive makes the entire range of gears for Ford from 3.55 to 4.56. that doesn't mean all Ford gears from 3.55 to 4.56 are made by Motive.

It's not just common practice in manufacturing to have multiple suppliers for parts, it's a requirement for risk management. What would happen to Ford if Motive's plant got flooded by molasses and they couldn't get gears to Ford for two months? Ford would have to get another supplier up and running real quick. And real quick in manufacturing always means 200-300% more expensive than just quick.

That's exactly what happened to Ericsson in the cellphone market a few years back - one supplier for both Ericsson and Nokia. That supplier's plant burnt to the ground and only Nokia had a backup supplier. Ericsson never recovered from that in that particular industry.

I believe the motiv gears have an 'M; at the end of the FRPP part no. the FRPP gears dont!

Lazyracer · April 13th, 2008, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by 06RedfireGT

I wanted to just keep it simple with just easy bolt-ons. Depending on how aggressive the cam profile is you can see gains from20-45hp. The higher HP cams require a lot more intense install so the bill will be much higher.

I installed the NSR cams, my mate the 'VSR' cams from Comp. The NSR have less lift but interestingly longer duration (in and ex).

The VSR cams are more powerful and offer more torque throughout the entire power curve; we set the cars one after the other on a dyno, mine topped at 371 his at 369 (crank). Mine was still climbing on bhp but torque was dropping, at 6250, I still had 300ft lbs after a peak of 355 (RWTq). His the power and hp curves were dropping away much (500rpm) sooner, though as I say, he got more torque lower down and it peaked higher, cant remember the numbers...

Mine on the day had more bhp, the only difference between the cars is that I have CMCV delete.

Anyone choosing, Id say save on the labour bill and go with the NSRs; (it took us 4 hours to fit mine with 2 tea breaks!) and use the saved labour costs to sort some other bits out!

libtec193 · April 13th, 2008, 09:52 PM

looking to get a steeda or hurst shifter?? any input?

HMUSN · April 13th, 2008, 09:53 PM

^ get an MGW.. trust me.

Luis_GT · April 13th, 2008, 09:53 PM

get the MGW

06RedfireGT · April 13th, 2008, 11:01 PM

Definetly MGW.

qwik48r · April 13th, 2008, 11:04 PM

shoulda got a mgw... but hurst works in its utter simplicity

learninbutlovin · April 14th, 2008, 01:58 PM

I got a hurst without doing too much research. whats the difference between hurst and MGW? kicking myself now but what can you do

HMUSN · April 14th, 2008, 01:59 PM

quality, it's a shorter throw, more adjustability..

learninbutlovin · April 14th, 2008, 02:08 PM

oh well live and learn i guess

07stanggt · April 14th, 2008, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by 06RedfireGT

I wanted to just keep it simple with just easy bolt-ons. Depending on how aggressive the cam profile is you can see gains from20-45hp. The higher HP cams require a lot more intense install so the bill will be much higher.

Add to that... the higher hp cams will lose more down low and thats a decision for a person with a dd or street car wants to think about. I didnt want to give up the low end power for 10 hp up top for that reason. But it depends on your goal and main use of the car.

07stanggt · April 14th, 2008, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Lazyracer

I installed the NSR cams, my mate the 'VSR' cams from Comp. The NSR have less lift but interestingly longer duration (in and ex).

The VSR cams are more powerful and offer more torque throughout the entire power curve; we set the cars one after the other on a dyno, mine topped at 371 his at 369 (crank). Mine was still climbing on bhp but torque was dropping, at 6250, I still had 300ft lbs after a peak of 355 (RWTq). His the power and hp curves were dropping away much (500rpm) sooner, though as I say, he got more torque lower down and it peaked higher, cant remember the numbers...

Mine on the day had more bhp, the only difference between the cars is that I have CMCV delete.

Anyone choosing, Id say save on the labour bill and go with the NSRs; (it took us 4 hours to fit mine with 2 tea breaks!) and use the saved labour costs to sort some other bits out!

+1.

learninbutlovin · April 15th, 2008, 11:27 AM

Can someone explain the differnece between upper control arms and lower control arms?

HMUSN · April 15th, 2008, 11:32 AM

lower
reduce un-sprung weight and eliminate wheel hop

upper
They attach suspension members to the chassis and manage the motion of the wheels so that it synchronizes with that of the body of the car.

learninbutlovin · April 15th, 2008, 11:33 AM

for an everyday car, which should be done first?

April 11th, 2008, 01:22 AM	#41
rickles512 Regular 2007 Mustang GT/CS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New Lenox, Illinois Posts: 184 iTrader: 0 reviews	Wondering if you should add cams to that list and explain...I for would would like to know more about that __________________ JLT CAI, SCT3 93 tune, Ford Racing Stingers, X-pipe Steeda UDPs, BMR LCA's, Hurst Competition Plus Billet Shifter [/SIGPIC]

April 11th, 2008, 01:23 AM	#42
rickles512 Regular 2007 Mustang GT/CS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New Lenox, Illinois Posts: 184 iTrader: 0 reviews	Sorry sounded retarded...I for one would like to know more about cams and performance gains __________________ JLT CAI, SCT3 93 tune, Ford Racing Stingers, X-pipe Steeda UDPs, BMR LCA's, Hurst Competition Plus Billet Shifter [/SIGPIC]

April 13th, 2008, 09:53 PM	#49
HMUSN Doc 1986 SVO Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 36,836 iTrader: 9 reviews	^ get an MGW.. trust me. __________________

April 13th, 2008, 11:01 PM	#51
06RedfireGT One Man Wolf Pack 2006 Mustang GT 13ish....maybe Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Regulatin On Some OGs Posts: 22,202 iTrader: 2 reviews	Definetly MGW. __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

April 13th, 2008, 11:04 PM	#52
qwik48r MM Fanatic alotta shit no fat girls fast Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: in the woods Posts: 3,688 iTrader: 1 reviews	shoulda got a mgw... but hurst works in its utter simplicity __________________ mind your business what i drive... i'm on a fucking mustang forum. qwik's build

April 12th, 2008, 06:14 PM	#43
Luis_GT Banned 2002 BMW 530i don't know and don't care Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 5,191 iTrader: 0 reviews	I gave you rep, just to prove I can be a nice guy

April 13th, 2008, 09:52 PM	#48
libtec193 Regular 2007 Mustang GT Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: norwood, NJ Posts: 145 iTrader: 1 reviews	looking to get a steeda or hurst shifter?? any input?

April 14th, 2008, 01:58 PM	#53
learninbutlovin Regular 2008 Mustang GT Conv. Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 146 iTrader: 0 reviews	I got a hurst without doing too much research. whats the difference between hurst and MGW? kicking myself now but what can you do

April 14th, 2008, 01:59 PM	#54
HMUSN Doc 1986 SVO Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 36,836 iTrader: 9 reviews	quality, it's a shorter throw, more adjustability.. __________________

April 14th, 2008, 02:08 PM	#55
learninbutlovin Regular 2008 Mustang GT Conv. Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 146 iTrader: 0 reviews	oh well live and learn i guess

April 15th, 2008, 11:27 AM	#58
learninbutlovin Regular 2008 Mustang GT Conv. Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 146 iTrader: 0 reviews	Can someone explain the differnece between upper control arms and lower control arms?

April 15th, 2008, 11:32 AM	#59
HMUSN Doc 1986 SVO Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 36,836 iTrader: 9 reviews	lower reduce un-sprung weight and eliminate wheel hop upper They attach suspension members to the chassis and manage the motion of the wheels so that it synchronizes with that of the body of the car. __________________

April 15th, 2008, 11:33 AM	#60
learninbutlovin Regular 2008 Mustang GT Conv. Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 146 iTrader: 0 reviews	for an everyday car, which should be done first?

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