[07stanggt]

Was looking at the FRPP site and wanted to point something out. The CAI discussion comes up a lot on here and the point of this thread isn't to say something is good or not. Just to point out something that is interesting. Though im sure we will see a few jlt ftw and c&l ftw, gotta love the drive by FTMFW posts.

People seem to get caught up on estimated HP gains from FRPP and from Ford for that matter on the Bullit and the Shelby GT. So the estimated HP numbers on these packages are interesting becuase they are exaclty the same. Yet, if im not mistaken, the Bullit and Shelby GT are rated at different power numbers. But then again the Shelby GT was give three different HP ratings for 2006 and 2007. 330, 325, and then 319.

Keep in mind here that the Shelby GT, at least the 2007, came with the FRPP power package for the 2005-2007 Mustang. I am not even sure what CAI the 2008 shelby GT is comeing with, considering FRPP's website says the Old power package wont "fit" on the 2008 mustang, funny becuaes as far as I know its is the same TB and the same car. I'm not sure where it wouldnt fit.
As some of you know the old package came with the Steeda CAI and simply used the stock inlet tube. Since steeda is still selling the same CAI and package for 2008 as they were for 2007, why wouldnt it "fit"? I could see that the tune would need to be different, but it has to fit?? Not only is Steeda selling the same CAI and inlet elbows, but so are C&L, JLT.

Here is the interesting part and the point im getting to, for either package FRPP is estimateing 20 RWHP gains. Which means, as i have said before, the Shelby GT was underated at 319 and isnt the bullit estimated at 310 or something? As some of you know, my car dynoed at 296 with the old FRPP power package, clearly my numbers are pretty good, and clearly i gained more then 20hp.

Also intereting is that the new CAI, from what i understand flows at about 860 where the old steeda CAI flows at over 1000 cfm. Same power? The tune itself must be different to accomadate the appropiate air flow.

Who knows. Maybe Ford is getting carried away on different models. Lets hope if we get a new Mach 1, its has maybe a different cam or 4 vavle heads and not just a different intake with what appears to be fairly, made up numbers.

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[02StangGToWNEr]

C&L FTW!! lol j/k. You knew someone had to do it.

[libtec193]

hahaha

[BLACJAC]

the new bullit has the new ,smaller flowing intake,but its 0-60 constant 5.0 ,where as shelby both with 3.73 gears had a constant 0-60 @5.1 ,granted only .10 second better , i think the heat shield has something to do with this,the new heat shield does a far better job of keeping incoming air cooler ,its alot like my airaid heat shield , the shield on the jlt ,should be improved , i cant see how that liitle shield is really helping much, if jlt had a heat shield like the bullits ,or airaid it would produce even more h.p.

[07stanggt]

Originally Posted by BLACJAC the new bullit has the new ,smaller flowing intake,but its 0-60 constant 5.0 ,where as shelby both with 3.73 gears had a constant 0-60 @5.1 ,granted only .10 second better , i think the heat shield has something to do with this,the new heat shield does a far better job of keeping incoming air cooler ,its alot like my airaid heat shield , the shield on the jlt ,should be improved , i cant see how that liitle shield is really helping much, if jlt had a heat shield like the bullits ,or airaid it would produce even more h.p.

The shelby GT comes with 3.55s, not 3.73s and Steeda won the only ever inlet air temp comparision im aware of unless you can find me another one and post some the info. In the test the steeda was only 5 degrees above ambient. And where did you get 5.0 and 5.1 becuase Ford claims 4.9 on a regular GT with 3.55s.

[BLACJAC]

07 u need to read more ,motortrend tested the bullit back in april or may 08 with steeve mcqueens son at the helm ,chad consistant 0-60 @5.0 , in june issue they tested a stock gt ,rousch , shelby c/a and a saleen , they all had 3.73 rears and turned 5.1 to 5.2 , the stocker was 5.3 0-60 times steeda and ford racing heat shields were the same until ford racing designed their new one with alot more coverage , if the old one was so good(steeda included) they would have left the design alone, it was good the new one is BETTER @ keeping temp. dowm ,just like airaids and c&l heat shield .4.9 0-60 ON A STOCKER ?? UR DREAMING!!

[1BADSTANG]

Originally Posted by BLACJAC 07 u need to read more ,motortrend tested the bullit back in april or may 08 with steeve mcqueens son at the helm ,chad consistant 0-60 @5.0 , in june issue they tested a stock gt ,rousch , shelby c/a and a saleen , they all had 3.73 rears and turned 5.1 to 5.2 , the stocker was 5.3 0-60 times steeda and ford racing heat shields were the same until ford racing designed their new one with alot more coverage , if the old one was so good(steeda included) they would have left the design alone, it was good the new one is BETTER @ keeping temp. dowm ,just like airaids and c&l heat shield .4.9 0-60 ON A STOCKER ?? UR DREAMING!!

your dreaming.

[BLACJAC]

this is for one bad stang ,spend 2.00 and go get the magazine , these arnt my figures , but oh yea , i forgot ,u know better then motortrend ,whos been 55 yrs in the car business , i forgot modded mustang made u the 0-60 guru hhahaahahahahaahahahahaahah

[JakeM]

Originally Posted by BLACJAC this is for one bad stang ,spend 2.00 and go get the magazine , these arnt my figures , but oh yea , i forgot ,u know better then motortrend ,whos been 55 yrs in the car business , i forgot modded mustang made u the 0-60 guru hhahaahahahahaahahahahaahah

I don't think ^this guy is dreaming, hes smoking somthing.

1. Motortrend is a gay magazine with shitty drivers.... I'm sorry but there numbers are crap and I would never trust the comparo's that come from that Rag.
2. The enthusiasts here know better then some Rag that is made to sell cars and ONLY sell cars. Thats what motortrend and all them Rag's are for. Sales.
3. Go to Fords website. They claim 4.9 on a STOCK GT.
4. Either quit smokin' the dope or get some better shit that knocks you out so you can't type...

[1BADSTANG]

Originally Posted by BLACJAC this is for one bad stang ,spend 2.00 and go get the magazine , these arnt my figures , but oh yea , i forgot ,u know better then motortrend ,whos been 55 yrs in the car business , i forgot modded mustang made u the 0-60 guru hhahaahahahahaahahahahaahah

i didn't write anything like that.. at all.. i said ur dreaming.. you must be on something heavy and im not even trying to be funny. I really do wonder what kind of mind bending psychedelic drugs you are experimenting with. Completely bizarre. wow.

[07stanggt]

Originally Posted by BLACJAC 07 u need to read more ,motortrend tested the bullit back in april or may 08 with steeve mcqueens son at the helm ,chad consistant 0-60 @5.0 , in june issue they tested a stock gt ,rousch , shelby c/a and a saleen , they all had 3.73 rears and turned 5.1 to 5.2 , the stocker was 5.3 0-60 times steeda and ford racing heat shields were the same until ford racing designed their new one with alot more coverage , if the old one was so good(steeda included) they would have left the design alone, it was good the new one is BETTER @ keeping temp. dowm ,just like airaids and c&l heat shield .4.9 0-60 ON A STOCKER ?? UR DREAMING!!

listen i get motortrend, blueoval, and about 10 other magazines with my FRPP membership. I hear what your saying bro. But what i know is motortrend never did a test on CAI's. MM&FF and mustang monthly did. Steeda won, sorry to everyone who's feelings that hurts. I know it cost more money and its nice to beleive that you got a better cai for $100 less, but it won on the dyno, and on the track and with inlet air temp. in both test i have seen, not to mention that my own dyno numbers with the steeda compared to competitors has reaffirmed this to me. But hey, i dont care what people run, i sell it all except JLT, and heck if you want that bad enough ill hook you up with that too.

A stock GT does not have 3.73s gears and neither did the shelby gt. I know this for a FACT. You read something wrong my freind thats all im saying to you.

Just becuase frpp stops using one things and goes to another does not mean its better. there could be several reason for that. But lets just say your right....... you missed the real point of my thread, why is the estimated HP gains exactly the same?

[07stanggt]

One other point to make to you my freind, before you bad mouth the steeda to much are you sure that steeda isnt makeing the new cai as well. LOL i can tell you this much i doubt FRPP is makeing it? And as much as steeda does make for them, about 10 different things smart money would be on steeda.

[1BADSTANG]

[BLACJAC]

the stocker in that article had 3.55 rear the others were 3.73 ,true , ford website says 4.9??? so that should be a around a 13.2 1/4 mile , .what stocker does 13.2 quarter??Mustang 2005-2006 Cold Air Intake Kit Purchase - Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords2008 Bullitt Mustang Announced by Ford - Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords Magazine maybe u think this magazine is GAY TOO!! (nice technical term) steeda is great i never bad mouthed them ,all i said was they FORD RACING, changed their heat shield for a reason ,to keep the incoming air cold , thats why a supercharger makes more h.p. with an intercooler. u think that a car dynoed in miami on a hot sticky day in august has the same h.p. if that same car is dynoed in DELUTH MINN. IN JANUARY WHEN THE AMBIENT TEMPERTURE IS 5 BELOW ZERO???

[BLACJAC]

HERES AN EARLY TECold Air Intake Comparisons - 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords MagazineST OF SOME CAI

[07stanggt]

again blackjac you missed my whole point. Im kinda agreeing with you. A lot of magazines have tested the bullit, the shelby gt and the gt. they all said 13.8 in the quarter, and these cars have different gears, different intakes, different HP ratings from ford. they said 13.8 at one point for the shelby gt-H which was an automatic and they said 13.8 for a shelby gt which was a manual with 3.55s now i read 13.8 for the bullit which has 3.73s, which according to you is faster but yet it is rated at 310 isnt it? that was kinda my point.

im not here to argue about cai's, thats an old an boring argument and noone seems to bring any numbers to the table here. I dont care, if and when there is even a hint of evidence that i might gain any power with another cai, it will be in my stang faster than you can say i told you so. But even C&L said dont waste your dyno time. they would be happy to know you have better info on their product though.

When i did just have the power pack and my numbers were 296 and 317 everyone with a different cai and much lower numbers just seemed to think my numbers were wrong. watever its all good. steeda doesnt make a liveing off CAI's like the other guys, so i dont think their feelings are hurt.

[07stanggt]

I will deffinatly read those articles, not tonight though. I'll give you credit for actually bringing something to back up your argument other then so and so my tuner told me this was better.

I did glance at the 5.0 comparision real quick though, i would like to know if steeda is even in that comparision becuase the steeda cant be run without a tune. and it said they didnt use tunes in that.

[BLACJAC]

TOWALLY ur not stock ,, if a stocker is 4.9 0-60 , then with ur mods ur car should be around 4.4 0-60///? right? if u read the article they did use tuners on the cai that needed them

[07stanggt]

cool thanks. ill check them out in the morning dude.

[BLACJAC]

07 what did ur car dyno at bone stock??? most are between 258-261 rwhp , but thats not to say some of the stockers came out at 265 or 268 stock, what a car starts at makes all the difference u know that u have 352 rwhp to get u to 12.65 1/4 . what is ur 0-60 with that power? according to towally a stocker should do around 13.2 1/4 if it can do 4.9 0-60!