[ivan48humble]

Which cams produce the most HP and have the most aggressive sound? BBR Stage 2, FRPP Hot Rod, Comp Stage 4 or Comp Thumper? Keep in mind I definitely want to add a supercharger but it could be a couple years from now. My GT is an automatic and was wondering if a TCI 3000 would be suitable. I finally heard a new GT at the track with cams, he had Comp Stage 4 with o/r x pipe and it sounded good but not good enough I think. I know the BBR stage 2 produce sweet sounds. Oh yeah by the way I beat the cammed gt three times in a row. Im sure it's cuz he had pirrelis but I also had street tires on heavy rims! So can anyone provide me with rwhp numbers for all of these cams?

[mustang fanatic]

Originally Posted by ivan48humble Which cams produce the most HP and have the most aggressive sound? BBR Stage 2, FRPP Hot Rod, Comp Stage 4 or Comp Thumper? Keep in mind I definitely want to add a supercharger but it could be a couple years from now. My GT is an automatic and was wondering if a TCI 3000 would be suitable. I finally heard a new GT at the track with cams, he had Comp Stage 4 with o/r x pipe and it sounded good but not good enough I think. I know the BBR stage 2 produce sweet sounds. Oh yeah by the way I beat the cammed gt three times in a row. Im sure it's cuz he had pirrelis but I also had street tires on heavy rims! So can anyone provide me with rwhp numbers for all of these cams?

You might want to PM 07stanggt. He deals a lot with the comp cams and I believe he has them on sale right now. He will be able to give you his opinion on the right choice.

[beefmobile]

ya 07stanggt will hook you up. im getting my nsr stage II's from him

[05mustang_TT_charged]

comp st. 3 SPR's with a big stall, 3k+

for that awesome sounds BBR St.2 cams with a big stall 3K+

I have the BBR St. 2 cams and have an impartial liking to them so listen to the other guys before me


The SPR cams make more hp

[Bkbulldog]

FRPP cams FTW it great for a DD car becuase you dont loose no torque down low
and i ve seen gains of about 30 RWHP with supporting mods.

[07stanggt]

most power on stock heads comp stage II spr. bbr stage II cams according to BBR MAKE 30 TO 40. Comp stage II spr cams 40+ and good mid range. Yes im partial to comp. But research i think you will agree. Look at the whole power curve.

stage II bbr cams .490 lift comp stage II spr .535int .550ex. its a bigger cam. tighter lsa, more duration.

Dont get me wrong, bbr stage II cams and ported heads with full bolt ons 384rwhp, i made 389rwhp on a dyno its 6 to one half dozen to the other. you could debate it. i wouldnt bet my life savings on a race against that setup.

Comp stage IV cams on this car? the guy was probably running what is now called SPR stage I cams. Comp has 4 lines, NSR, VSR, SPR, Thumpr, none of them have a stage IV. The spr stage II cams are the biggest comp cams for stock heads. The stage III is recomended for ported heads. Before the spr line of cams they had a stage IV VSR but that is now the same grind as stage I spr.

Best sounding cams hot rod, or thumpr cams. but they arent the best for power.

Here is vid of my car with heads and spr stage II cams. That idle is set at 860.

Hpipevideo.flv - Video - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

Hpipevideo.flv - Video - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

[ivan48humble]

Originally Posted by 05mustang_kb_charged comp st. 3 SPR's with a big stall, 3k+ for that awesome sounds BBR St.2 cams with a big stall 3K+ I have the BBR St. 2 cams and have an impartial liking to them so listen to the other guys before me The SPR cams make more hp

What don't you like about the BBR? Installed with tune....$2000?

[05mustang_TT_charged]

the driveability with them sucks, it is hard to get a 3800 lbs. car moving with them from a red light. I like that they made power all the way to 7700 rpm and never flat lined but they suck (IMO) for daily driving. I have talked to others with them and they absolutely love them but it seemed when I did my motor that BBR was the best (and almost the only) cams that would make hp past 6000 rpm. I have been looking into the St.3 SPR cams since they seem a little tamer than the BBR cams for daily driving. I can tell you that the BBR cams make power and that is what they are made for but I like a little driveability.

[ivan48humble]

Originally Posted by 07stanggt most power on stock heads comp stage II spr. bbr stage II cams according to BBR MAKE 30 TO 40. Comp stage II spr cams 40+ and good mid range. Yes im partial to comp. But research i think you will agree. Look at the whole power curve. stage II bbr cams .490 lift comp stage II spr .535int .550ex. its a bigger cam. tighter lsa, more duration. Dont get me wrong, bbr stage II cams and ported heads with full bolt ons 384rwhp, i made 389rwhp on a dyno its 6 to one half dozen to the other. you could debate it. i wouldnt bet my life savings on a race against that setup. Comp stage IV cams on this car? the guy was probably running what is now called SPR stage I cams. Comp has 4 lines, NSR, VSR, SPR, Thumpr, none of them have a stage IV. The spr stage II cams are the biggest comp cams for stock heads. The stage III is recomended for ported heads. Before the spr line of cams they had a stage IV VSR but that is now the same grind as stage I spr. Best sounding cams hot rod, or thumpr cams. but they arent the best for power. Here is vid of my car with heads and spr stage II cams. That idle is set at 860. Hpipevideo.flv - Video - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

Thank you very much for the detailed explanation, the info really helps me out. I can't look at the video through my phone right now but you think those SPR IIs sound better than the BBRs? I am difinitely leaning towards SPRs due to HP but I also want an aggressive sound. You are running 12.4 on this set up? What wheel/tire combo you running on? I imagine you are running full bolt ons, right? What headers would fit well on magnaflow catted x pipe? Would the headers actually improve HP with cams? I know with the set up I got now I won't see a difference though

[Mickey]

The BBR sound better than the comp spr's but the spr's add more HP

[07stanggt]

Originally Posted by ivan48humble Thank you very much for the detailed explanation, the info really helps me out. I can't look at the video through my phone right now but you think those SPR IIs sound better than the BBRs? I am difinitely leaning towards SPRs due to HP but I also want an aggressive sound. You are running 12.4 on this set up? What wheel/tire combo you running on? I imagine you are running full bolt ons, right? What headers would fit well on magnaflow catted x pipe? Would the headers actually improve HP with cams? I know with the set up I got now I won't see a difference though

Do comps sound better then BBR. I dont know. You would have to listen to vids and be the judge of that. But exhuast setup has a lot to do with cam sound in my opinion. The famous vid of the bbr cams on their car to me sounded like shit when you really broke it down. There was a ton of noise comeing from the engine and they seemed to have the idle turned way down in order to bring out the lope. Thats why i said my idle on that vid is 860. But i have never heard a car with bbr cams in person, just vids so i cant answer that.

Dont go by my cars ET. Yea i ran 12.40, 12,40 and a 12.44 i think my first time at the strip after the new cams and ported heads. but that was 114mph traps and 1.97+ 60 foots. The car is an 11 second car all day. Had a worn clutch, worn LSD, rear end problems. You can see it on the video i took and posted, my left tire isnt even spinning on the burnout. When i launched all three times the ass is just going to the right. i was basically launching on one tire.


Yea i have/had full bolt ons, Underdrive pulleys, race delete plates, cai, long tube headers catted x pipe cat back exhuast. driveshaft, uca, lca, relo brackets.

275.40.17s MT et streets

yes the long tubes compliment cams well actually. Very well

I think with any set up your going to see a difference with long tubes.

What long tubes work with a magnaflow catted x pipe. Your talking about the one that goes to stock manifolds....no long tube is going to bolt up to that.

[Mickey]

Exactly, you have to replace your midpipe to fit with longtubes

[ivan48humble]

Originally Posted by 07stanggt Do comps sound better then BBR. I dont know. You would have to listen to vids and be the judge of that. But exhuast setup has a lot to do with cam sound in my opinion. The famous vid of the bbr cams on their car to me sounded like shit when you really broke it down. There was a ton of noise comeing from the engine and they seemed to have the idle turned way down in order to bring out the lope. Thats why i said my idle on that vid is 860. But i have never heard a car with bbr cams in person, just vids so i cant answer that. Dont go by my cars ET. Yea i ran 12.40, 12,40 and a 12.44 i think my first time at the strip after the new cams and ported heads. but that was 114mph traps and 1.97+ 60 foots. The car is an 11 second car all day. Had a worn clutch, worn LSD, rear end problems. You can see it on the video i took and posted, my left tire isnt even spinning on the burnout. When i launched all three times the ass is just going to the right. i was basically launching on one tire. Yea i have/had full bolt ons, Underdrive pulleys, race delete plates, cai, long tube headers catted x pipe cat back exhuast. driveshaft, uca, lca, relo brackets. 275.40.17s MT et streets yes the long tubes compliment cams well actually. Very well I think with any set up your going to see a difference with long tubes. What long tubes work with a magnaflow catted x pipe. Your talking about the one that goes to stock manifolds....no long tube is going to bolt up to that.

Alright so you haven't gone back to the track? I actually heard BBR owner's car with stage IIs but straight headers only! Sounded nice but I gotta say that was the first GT I heard with cams. What exhaust do you recommend? I have magnaflow catted x pipe but I guess I would get rid of them to get long tubes. So what headers are best HP gain and great sound? Kooks? What would be nice o/r x pipe? Do they sound really loud compared to catted x pipe?

[Mickey]

ARH, Kooks, JBA, Borla, Mac, Hooker, OBX are all decent and in that order IMO

[07stanggt]

Originally Posted by ivan48humble Alright so you haven't gone back to the track? I actually heard BBR owner's car with stage IIs but straight headers only! Sounded nice but I gotta say that was the first GT I heard with cams. What exhaust do you recommend? I have magnaflow catted x pipe but I guess I would get rid of them to get long tubes. So what headers are best HP gain and great sound? Kooks? What would be nice o/r x pipe? Do they sound really loud compared to catted x pipe?

Im partial to kooks for three reasons. First and foremost, i have them on my car.

Second, i am a distributor for them, not for the rest, though i can get arh and hooker headers. I am also a distributor for MAC. So for me i like to sell kooks and mac.

Thirdly, becuase i like the concept of a inbetween mid and full length long tube header.

Ask around about long tubes, one thing that a lot of people will tell you is that long tubes loose power down low. Thats what a lot of shops told me when i was shopping. well thats only half true, its the full length long tubes that loose low end torq. I gained torq everywhere with Kooks long tube catted x pipe. Starting as low as 2000 rpms on the dyno i gained torque. i beleive this is due to the shorter design of kooks. I gained 17plbs of torque peak on peak. Would ARH which is a longer header have gained me 2 or 3 more peak HP, maybe, though i have never seen real dyno evidence of this, i dont questoin it, but i bet i wouldnt have seen the low and mid range power gains with the longer brands like ARH and Hooker.


I do think different long tubes sound different. as to which sounds the best, i cant even begin to answer that.

check out the exhuast sticky on this forum when you can. There are a few long tube setups in there.

[Mickey]

Damn, Rich is a novel writer tonight

good info as always lol

[ivan48humble]

I appreciate the expertise, good looking out.

[Mickey]

If you have the money, go ARH or Kooks for sure

[07stanggt]

truth be told. And again, i admit fully that im biased on this issue. but i would ask for a reason why to go with ARH?

I here a lot of talk about it, but never see any numbers to back it up. I had a little argument with a guy in another forum about this. "ARH must be better becuase they require a tune and kooks dont." Thats a retarded reason quite frankly, the main reason why kooks are tune freindly is the location of the cats, its closer to the engine where it wont trip CEL, though sometimes you can get a slow response cel, i just just clear it.

No one said you cant benifit with some more power from kooks with a tune, but i think its a plus that you can run them with no tune and not cuase problems.

And again, arh are longer, but right from their own mouth they are tuned for high rpm power.

Brenspeed says kooks are the best on the market, plenty of car builders say that.

My car is a cruiser first and foremost. Every mod i do i keep that in mid, my car with cams, longtubes, delete plates and so forth still puts a smile on my face just tapin the gas and takin off normally, plenty of low end grunt and just a good strong feeling engine at low rpms. Yea i track it and take it to the strip, but in the end screw that shit, thats once and a while, cruising is everyday.

[07stanggt]

apply the same logic to x pipe, or better nsr cams. No tune yet you still gain power. The line of thinking that becuase you dont need a recalibration on the pcm you dont gain power is stupid or a sales pitch. Kooks and nsr cams, no tune, i gained 40hp.