[DiMora]

Originally Posted by 06VistaGT Yeah, the SuperShaker looks awesome, but has the loudest blower whine I've heard so far for the new stangs. The Techco blower is pretty sweet, but expensive. It has a different whine too.

TechCo = bankrupt.

[06VistaGT]

Originally Posted by DiMora TechCo = bankrupt.

Oh yeah. Nevermind Techco then.

[Mickey]

Originally Posted by NastyStang113 Neither.

hater...my shit is more efficient than yours

[Mickey]

Originally Posted by DiMora TechCo = bankrupt.

Techco was never bankrupt...the main investor (also the owner), decided to close the doors of the company.

[NastyStang113]

Originally Posted by Mickey hater...my shit is more efficient than yours

We'll see how much power my car makes when I've got cams, longtubes, and get my blower is ported, etc.

[Mickey]

haha dude your blower is 3 years newer than mine....we'll see how much power im making when Im running 12.8psi like you...

[NastyStang113]

Originally Posted by Mickey haha dude your blower is 3 years newer than mine....we'll see how much power im making when Im running 12.8psi like you...

We don't count boost spikes with a TVS since they don't do anything for power but okay ... haha

[Mickey]

you dont count boost spikes, instead, you just make up an average psi of your choice...sounds solid

i can understand rounding down maybe a half psi or under due to spikes...but not almost 2lbs of boost dude

[NastyStang113]

Originally Posted by Mickey you dont count boost spikes, instead, you just make up an average psi of your choice...sounds solid i can understand rounding down maybe a half psi or under due to spikes...but not almost 2lbs of boost dude

Are you being serious or just trying to be dumb? I can never tell with you. Nominally my car makes 11 lbs of boost compared to the 10 lbs of boost before. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt it's not easy to read it on the graph, especially since boost spikes up and down constantly on a TVS. Irregardless, it's not 12 lbs consistently though and I've never had a boost spike of 12.8 lbs. The highest I've ever seen is 12.36. A wise man once told me, "If you're going to try to run your dick dumpster at least get your facts straight".. Haha

[Mickey]

care to explain how you calculated your "nominal" boost...I would love to hear it

due to the inability of the tvs to maintain boost at a consistent level, you're supposed to calculate nominally now? this sounds like the argument those retards were making about the edelbrock...ya it made 10psi but we average it at 6-7

your boost curve is all over the fuckin map, idk how the hell anyone would calculate your boost other than what it seems to spike at several times

whatever dude, doesnt matter. just know if you're gonna put shit down that I run on my car, ill gladly give my input

[NastyStang113]

Originally Posted by Mickey care to explain how you calculated your "nominal" boost...I would love to hear it due to the inability of the tvs to maintain boost at a consistent level, you're supposed to calculate nominally now? this sounds like the argument those retards were making about the edelbrock...ya it made 10psi but we average it at 6-7 your boost curve is all over the fuckin map, idk how the hell anyone would calculate your boost other than what it seems to spike at several times whatever dude, doesnt matter. just know if you're gonna put shit down that I run on my car, ill gladly give my input

If you'd love to hear it, it's pretty easy. The guys that tune our cars can look at the boost levels and calculate the information. It's pretty easy to calculate what the boost is nominally over the pulls. Shit, you can look at the graphs and figure out that it doesn't hit 12 lbs but a few times and than dip down to 10 lbs. The one pull where it made 525 rwhp has 3 spikes that hit ~12 lbs and everything else is less, correct? The pull that made 514 rwhp has two spikes that hit ~12 lbs, right? Both runs are running the same pulley and can vary 1/5 of a lb. I'm not so sure about you but it's pretty damn easy to see all of that from actually looking at the graph and not just reading the peak boost. I can't help that boost spikes up and down on the TVS.

Irregardless, stop your crying because I said I wouldn't recommend the Saleen. I never put it down and said it was garbage. I just didn't recommend it because it's not what I'd put on my car. Go take your Midol and get some sleep.

[Mickey]

Originally Posted by NastyStang113 If you'd love to hear it, it's pretty easy. The guys that tune our cars can look at the boost levels and calculate the information. It's pretty easy to calculate what the boost is nominally over the pulls. Shit, you can look at the graphs and figure out that it doesn't hit 12 lbs but a few times and than dip down to 10 lbs. The one pull where it made 525 rwhp has 3 spikes that hit ~12 lbs and everything else is less, correct? The pull that made 514 rwhp has two spikes that hit ~12 lbs, right? Both runs are running the same pulley and can vary 1/5 of a lb. I'm not so sure about you but it's pretty damn easy to see all of that from actually looking at the graph and not just reading the peak boost. I can't help that boost spikes up and down on the TVS.

Im blown away how scientific that is! Makes perfect rounding sense!

[NastyStang113]

How much more scientific do you want me to get? The tuner clicks the mouse and drags some stuff and the SCT software gives you a number. I'm going to go adjust my headlights though.

[DiMora]

Originally Posted by Mickey Techco was never bankrupt...the main investor (also the owner), decided to close the doors of the company.

I stand corrected. However...

TechCo = Adios

TechCo = No More

TechCo = No makey blower anymore

TechCo = no techy supporty if u by blower

TechCo = The Fail

Other than that, that blower would be an excellent choice.

[DiMora]

Originally Posted by Mickey haha dude your blower is 3 years newer than mine....we'll see how much power im making when Im running 12.8psi like you...

Let's talk about efficiency, Mickey. Your getting tag-teamed now!

Turn yours up to just shy of 13 lbs and let us know what happens.

And give me some long tubes and cams as well...and a ported VMP inlet elbow we'll see who is king of the blower wars at low boost.

I admit with a TVS the boost is all over the place. It is a characteristic of the design. It is not anything that affects drive-ability...power is smooth and linear.

What I'm saying is that using the TVS characteristic boost spikes is not a fair way to figure what amount of boost the unit is making...especially at redline where the BOV opens up as the throttle is released, but right before that happens there is always a big spike.

There is no formula...but anyone with any tuning sense can look at the boost curves and eyeball-average the stress the engine is under in terms of PSI.

On the chart I am posting, I think it is fair to say I am making 10 PSI to 5500 RPM and then 12 above that.

Heck, I laid down 505 RWHP and that is INCLUDING the highest spike of the run at 11.67 PSI. So call it over 500 RWHP at 12 PSI. Can a Saleen do that with no headers or cams and porting? I don't know - I am asking. Throw up a dyno chart...I'd like to see. There is a TVS-equipped P-51 owner laying down over 700 RWHP with mods like you have - on a 4.6 - and it is not a stroker.

Here are three runs from my car. Take from it what you will, but anyone can see it is pretty efficient for the level of boost I am running...and keep in mind, I have no headers, cams, porting, etc. It is a stock TVS, a stock crank damper pulley, and an oversized snout pulley to lower boost (Carmen's custom 3.47"). Oh yeah, factory cats are on there too!

And don't think I'm dissing your Saleen for one second...that is a sweet design and I would be proud to have one on my car. And I wish mine whined like yours does. I miss the whine my M90 had. I just think the TVS is a newer, more efficient design, that is all. Things evolve.

[menace07]

Originally Posted by DiMora I'm partial to the Roush TVS R2300 myself (I like the classic blower-on-top-of-engine with snout pulley look), but with the two choices you posted, Edelbrock FTW! (without the Darth Vader helmet covering your coils, please).

If I go edelbrock I definately will not be getting the coil covers. It may be silly, but the LOOKS of the edelbrock kit were initally a turn off for me. When you have the supercharger unit and coil covers, "Edelbrock" is written under your hood about 32 times. I have to say that I think the saleen s/c LOOKS better under the hood.

Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in IAT's at similar boost levels with the two superchargers?

[kenneth]

Look at post #47 Going to see what the Saleen blower is really capable of... - Page 2 - WWW.S197FORUM.COM

But everyone seems to forget Mickeys blower is more effecient than any blower ever put on a car because it was built by GOD and OBAMA.

[kenneth]

Originally Posted by menace07 Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in IAT's at similar boost levels with the two superchargers?

Hard to tell, IAT's will vary with weather,location.

ex: summertime my air temps run in the 110-115 range under normal driving, right now with cooler weather they are in the 95-100 range
This is in the South Louisiana weather.

[06RedfireGT]

Personally I would go with a Saleen Supershaker.

Originally Posted by DiMora I stand corrected. However... TechCo = Adios TechCo = No More TechCo = No makey blower anymore TechCo = no techy supporty if u by blower TechCo = The Fail Other than that, that blower would be an excellent choice.

[DiMora]

Originally Posted by kenneth Look at post #47 Going to see what the Saleen blower is really capable of... - Page 2 - WWW.S197FORUM.COM But everyone seems to forget Mickeys blower is more effecient than any blower ever put on a car because it was built by GOD and OBAMA.

Huh?

Post 47 says:

Mickey, got a video of your cams?

Don't we all know he has cams and a ported Saleen blower?