Stock cmp with hot rod cam?

garydahl · October 25th, 2009, 06:05 PM

Do I need to install a CMDP when I install my new Hot Rod cams?
I have read that our TB are good for 600 hp. I need my extra money to get my 4.10's.

07stanggt · October 25th, 2009, 06:09 PM

You dont need to.

Whats the delete plates have to do with the TB though?

garydahl · October 25th, 2009, 06:10 PM

Perfect match to the cylinder heads

07stanggt · October 25th, 2009, 06:15 PM

I understand you are saying the throttle body is good to 600 hp. I assume TB (throttle body)

But the contol plates are not the throttle body. Just dont understand your question.

You can pick up some power with delete plates but they arent needed either way. maybe someone else can answer.

garydahl · October 25th, 2009, 06:51 PM

I was thinking of buying the Throttle body and a Cmdp to increase the air volume , for the new cams.

DRock · October 25th, 2009, 06:57 PM

at your level you dont need a throttle body by the CMDP would be a nice touch

07stanggt · October 25th, 2009, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by garydahl

I was thinking of buying the Throttle body and a Cmdp to increase the air volume , for the new cams.

Oh. Um if you're on a budget you could skip them both. delete plates would be good with the cams for sure.

and the TB is a debated issue. I like them, and i want a frpp tb. but i would surely put them at the bottom of the list when you ran out of things to do. gears will do more then both of those mods put together and you have to get gears with thumprs.

RainsFather · October 25th, 2009, 07:36 PM

I had no problems with the hot rods and stock charge motion plates. Though when I added the plates it really made the drivability and response better, though I don't really think it added any HP.

RainsFather · October 25th, 2009, 07:46 PM

Also, who are you having tune your car? Doug at bama did a great tune with the cams and has worked with them more lately to further improve tunes for them. The only problem is I really want to add the FRPP throttle body but Doug doesn't seem to want to write a tune for it. I don't even want it to make power I just think it looks good and would go with all the other FRPP parts I've added.

garydahl · October 25th, 2009, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by RainsFather

Also, who are you having tune your car? Doug at bama did a great tune with the cams and has worked with them more lately to further improve tunes for them. The only problem is I really want to add the FRPP throttle body but Doug doesn't seem to want to write a tune for it. I don't even want it to make power I just think it looks good and would go with all the other FRPP parts I've added.

That's just it, I have a SCT-3 Tuner and tune from Breenspeed and they don't sell the Hot Rod cams!
I want to keep the ford racing theme going and make 325 rwhp at the same time. Ford doesn't have a tune for there cams.
If I get a set of CMDP from Breenspeed , maybe he would right a tune for the Hot rod cams at the same time?

07stanggt · October 25th, 2009, 11:02 PM

If you are getting hot rod or thumpr cams then get your car dyno tuned. For a lot of reasons.

If you want cams with no tune just get NSR cams and forget about the idle. Its a nice idle and good performance and no tune or drivability issues.

ixmotoxi · October 25th, 2009, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by 07stanggt

If you are getting hot rod or thumpr cams then get your car dyno tuned. For a lot of reasons.

If you want cams with no tune just get NSR cams and forget about the idle. Its a nice idle and good performance and no tune or drivability issues.

How is the idle compared to stock?

garydahl · October 25th, 2009, 11:09 PM

I thought that the Hot Rod cams were NSR's

usafimj · October 25th, 2009, 11:37 PM

The Hot Rod cams are NSR but those require a tune due to the rough idle and all. The Stage II NSR Comp Cams (127200) which Rich is referring are just slightly larger than stock cams, have nice idle, and don't require a tune but it will help get more power if you do want to get a custom tune.

Boozshey · October 25th, 2009, 11:38 PM

Hot Rods are NSR... They still need a tune though. You'll get better performance gains with 4.10's than you will with a new TB...

So get the Hot Rods, and 4.10's and make your own deletes. Just cut out the butterflies and fill in the holes. Sand down the steel puddy and you're set.

NamelessLiar · October 26th, 2009, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Boozshey

Hot Rods are NSR... They still need a tune though. You'll get better performance gains with 4.10's than you will with a new TB...

So get the Hot Rods, and 4.10's and make your own deletes. Just cut out the butterflies and fill in the holes. Sand down the steel puddy and you're set.

This is EXACTLY what I am doing. I'm working on my CMDP's right now and will install 4.10's and Hot Rod cams probably over xmas break...

psycho bob · October 27th, 2009, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by Boozshey

Hot Rods are NSR... They still need a tune though. You'll get better performance gains with 4.10's than you will with a new TB...

So get the Hot Rods, and 4.10's and make your own deletes. Just cut out the butterflies and fill in the holes. Sand down the steel puddy and you're set.

+2 I did my own delete plates, but i went the extra step of porting them to match my heads. rather than $300 (i think) steeda plates i did them myself for around 10 bucks and they're still port matched

NamelessLiar · October 27th, 2009, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by psycho bob

+2 I did my own delete plates, but i went the extra step of porting them to match my heads. rather than $300 (i think) steeda plates i did them myself for around 10 bucks and they're still port matched

hhhmmmm...now that DOES sound like a fun project! Do you have a write-up on this? I mean, since I'm already working on my CMDPs then I might as well take that extra step right?

mygt350r · October 27th, 2009, 11:06 AM

i did it myself too- i think there is a write up- but it is very easy- i havent had any problems for over a year now.

psycho bob · November 6th, 2009, 03:42 PM

don't have a write up. i used a dremel and opened up the holes to match the heads. used quicksteel to close up the holes from the flaps (whatever)

October 25th, 2009, 06:05 PM	#1
garydahl Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 338	Stock cmp with hot rod cam? Do I need to install a CMDP when I install my new Hot Rod cams? I have read that our TB are good for 600 hp. I need my extra money to get my 4.10's. __________________ Black 2008 Mustang Bullitt, ID# 2029 HID headlights,Shaker 1000, Active alarm system SHR Louvers, Custom painted Engine covers Ford Racing Axle-backs, Shorty headers, Hurst shifter Ford Racing 8.8" Axle Girdle ,Aluminum one piece driveshaft

October 25th, 2009, 06:10 PM	#3
garydahl Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 338	Perfect match to the cylinder heads __________________ Black 2008 Mustang Bullitt, ID# 2029 HID headlights,Shaker 1000, Active alarm system SHR Louvers, Custom painted Engine covers Ford Racing Axle-backs, Shorty headers, Hurst shifter Ford Racing 8.8" Axle Girdle ,Aluminum one piece driveshaft

October 25th, 2009, 06:51 PM	#5
garydahl Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 338	I was thinking of buying the Throttle body and a Cmdp to increase the air volume , for the new cams. __________________ Black 2008 Mustang Bullitt, ID# 2029 HID headlights,Shaker 1000, Active alarm system SHR Louvers, Custom painted Engine covers Ford Racing Axle-backs, Shorty headers, Hurst shifter Ford Racing 8.8" Axle Girdle ,Aluminum one piece driveshaft

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DRock Regular 2009 Mustang GT/CS N/A Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 344	at your level you dont need a throttle body by the CMDP would be a nice touch __________________ '09 GT/CS SHOW: GT500 Spoiler, Black Turn Signals, 5k Headlight & Fog HID's GO:Flowmaster 40's, BMR Poly/Rod LCA's

October 25th, 2009, 07:36 PM	#8
RainsFather Regular 07 GT Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: NW OKC Posts: 109	I had no problems with the hot rods and stock charge motion plates. Though when I added the plates it really made the drivability and response better, though I don't really think it added any HP. __________________ 2007 Silver Mustang GT FRPP CAI w/ Steeda inlet elbow, FRPP Lowering Springs, FRPP Hot Rod cams, FRPP (Hurst) Shifter, Pypes O/R X-pipe, Glasspack mufflers, Bamachips Tuned, Saleen CMDPs 2005 Suzuki Burgman 400

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October 25th, 2009, 06:09 PM	#2
07stanggt I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2007 GT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ellicott City, MD Posts: 11,900	You dont need to. Whats the delete plates have to do with the TB though?

October 25th, 2009, 06:15 PM	#4
07stanggt I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2007 GT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ellicott City, MD Posts: 11,900	I understand you are saying the throttle body is good to 600 hp. I assume TB (throttle body) But the contol plates are not the throttle body. Just dont understand your question. You can pick up some power with delete plates but they arent needed either way. maybe someone else can answer.

October 25th, 2009, 07:46 PM	#9
RainsFather Regular 07 GT Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: NW OKC Posts: 109	Also, who are you having tune your car? Doug at bama did a great tune with the cams and has worked with them more lately to further improve tunes for them. The only problem is I really want to add the FRPP throttle body but Doug doesn't seem to want to write a tune for it. I don't even want it to make power I just think it looks good and would go with all the other FRPP parts I've added. __________________ 2007 Silver Mustang GT FRPP CAI w/ Steeda inlet elbow, FRPP Lowering Springs, FRPP Hot Rod cams, FRPP (Hurst) Shifter, Pypes O/R X-pipe, Glasspack mufflers, Bamachips Tuned, Saleen CMDPs 2005 Suzuki Burgman 400

October 25th, 2009, 11:02 PM	#11
07stanggt I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2007 GT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ellicott City, MD Posts: 11,900	If you are getting hot rod or thumpr cams then get your car dyno tuned. For a lot of reasons. If you want cams with no tune just get NSR cams and forget about the idle. Its a nice idle and good performance and no tune or drivability issues.

October 25th, 2009, 11:09 PM	#13
garydahl Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 338	I thought that the Hot Rod cams were NSR's __________________ Black 2008 Mustang Bullitt, ID# 2029 HID headlights,Shaker 1000, Active alarm system SHR Louvers, Custom painted Engine covers Ford Racing Axle-backs, Shorty headers, Hurst shifter Ford Racing 8.8" Axle Girdle ,Aluminum one piece driveshaft

October 25th, 2009, 11:37 PM	#14
usafimj MM Fanatic 2007 Ford Mustang GT 13.253 @ 106.96mph Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oklahoma City, Ok. Posts: 4,432	The Hot Rod cams are NSR but those require a tune due to the rough idle and all. The Stage II NSR Comp Cams (127200) which Rich is referring are just slightly larger than stock cams, have nice idle, and don't require a tune but it will help get more power if you do want to get a custom tune. __________________ Mods in garage Hurst Crew Member #13 Military Crew E-5

October 25th, 2009, 11:38 PM	#15
Boozshey Newbie Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 49	Hot Rods are NSR... They still need a tune though. You'll get better performance gains with 4.10's than you will with a new TB... So get the Hot Rods, and 4.10's and make your own deletes. Just cut out the butterflies and fill in the holes. Sand down the steel puddy and you're set.

October 27th, 2009, 11:06 AM	#19
mygt350r Newbie Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 14	i did it myself too- i think there is a write up- but it is very easy- i havent had any problems for over a year now.

November 6th, 2009, 03:42 PM	#20
psycho bob MM Fanatic 07 GT/86 LX 5.0 12.86@104 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: colorado springs, co/ Tulsa, OK Posts: 3,636	don't have a write up. i used a dremel and opened up the holes to match the heads. used quicksteel to close up the holes from the flaps (whatever) __________________ I just wanna go fast and I finally got to install my parts.....H&C ftw

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