long tubes

06HellFireGT · November 5th, 2009, 09:50 PM

ok so i know with just a CAI and tuner if I add long tubes a prochamber and axlebacks i will only see minimal gaines if any but will it hurt me in anyway .. like will i loose anything ?

Jucostud · November 5th, 2009, 09:54 PM

U will probably gain 15rwhp

06HellFireGT · November 5th, 2009, 10:25 PM

cool long as im not spending money to loose power lol

tarpeeler · November 5th, 2009, 11:16 PM

nah i dont see how you could lose any

07 STROKER · November 5th, 2009, 11:18 PM

dont you lose some low end with longtubes?

tarpeeler · November 5th, 2009, 11:25 PM

i thought it was gain more torque with shorties and more overall power with lt's?

vastang757 · November 6th, 2009, 12:27 AM

I haven't noticed a lose... guess its all in the tune

Marc S · November 6th, 2009, 01:25 AM

I installed Mac L/T and their O/R prochamber last week. I still have the stock mufflers and after hearing how good the car sounds, I will keep them. I did not do a before and after dyno the same day, I should have. The last time I had the car dyno tuned the temp was 30 degrees and the humidity was 22%. I had the car dyno tuned last weekend, the temp was 64 degrees and the humidity was 94%. That being said I picked up 11 RWHP and 18 ft lbs of torque. However, the torque below 2,200 RPM's was down. I believe the weather variance accounted for another 5-10 HP.

Towelly · November 6th, 2009, 01:26 AM

It depends on the style of header, but with most you will loose some down low. True long tubes move the power ban farther up in the RPM's. Kooks or Mac will likely not loose you a whole lot down low because they are more of a mid-length header than a true long tube like say BBK or American Racing and such.

Redrocket06 · November 6th, 2009, 03:21 AM

I had a minimal loss down low, but the overall sound and mid-upper rpm gains more than make up for it.

Youngin · November 6th, 2009, 04:16 AM

you will lose low end torque.. due to lack of back pressure.. but you will gain up top! so it is worth it. you will also get pissed trying to fit those suckers in there lol

Redrocket06 · November 6th, 2009, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by Youngin

you will also get pissed trying to fit those suckers in there lol

+1

Dont be scared though, bloody nuckles are trophies

07 Boss · November 6th, 2009, 12:39 PM

You don't lose torque or power, you gain torque and power. You just shift the torque curve to higher in the RPM's range. I don't know why that is such a hard concept to understand.

onederful100 · November 6th, 2009, 12:53 PM

Kooks or

HOLLYWD69 · November 6th, 2009, 01:04 PM

OK so I have heard all of the horror stories about the header installs but is it really that bad? I’m kinda scared to get them!

vastang757 · November 6th, 2009, 01:11 PM

If you have someone helping you thats done it before then it shouldn't be too bad. It took me a couple days to do it, but I was basically doing it myself

07 STROKER · November 6th, 2009, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by 07 Boss

You don't lose torque or power, you gain torque and power. You just shift the torque curve to higher in the RPM's range. I don't know why that is such a hard concept to understand.

easy turbo, its not hard to understand. but they need to realize that by moving the torque curve the car is going to drive different...so by moving the hp and torque curve UP...you lose it down low.

07 Boss · November 6th, 2009, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by 07 STROKER

easy turbo, its not hard to understand. but they need to realize that by moving the torque curve the car is going to drive different...so by moving the hp and torque curve UP...you lose it down low.

I know Stroker Boy, it's just that the way everybody states it that gives the impression that they are going to be a dog off the line when they actually gain a bunch of torque under the curve.
It's kinda like people saying that you will be able to stop faster with bigger brakes without upgrading tires. Or losing traction with 4.10's and a supercharger.

Redrocket06 · November 6th, 2009, 08:55 PM

The install took me 12 hrs and I did most of it by myself, with just 2 jack stands and a jack. They are a tight fit, but give yourself a couple days to install and all will be OK. There are 1000 threads on the install for all different LT brands with excellent advice. When you get done, you will pick up power, a solid exhaust sound, and more pride for your car where you do it yourself. Not to mention more $$$ in your pocket for not paying an installer.

Check this out:
S197 Ford Mustang Headers - Three-Valve Long-Tube Header Test - 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords Magazine

HOLLYWD69 · November 6th, 2009, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by Redrocket06

The install took me 12 hrs and I did most of it by myself, with just 2 jack stands and a jack. They are a tight fit, but give yourself a couple days to install and all will be OK. There are 1000 threads on the install for all different LT brands with excellent advice. When you get done, you will pick up power, a solid exhaust sound, and more pride for your car where you do it yourself. Not to mention more $$$ in your pocket for not paying an installer.

Check this out:
S197 Ford Mustang Headers - Three-Valve Long-Tube Header Test - 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords Magazine

I will do it myself I couldnt live with myself if I let someone else do it! Just trying to pump my self up for it. i still have some time I dont have the funds yet and there are several things i want to do at the same time so I can just get it dyno tuned one time. The LTs should really help me out a lot since i have whipple!

November 5th, 2009, 09:54 PM	#2
Jucostud The Tire Guy 2007 Mustang 8.32@84.2mph 1/8 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North of Dallas, TX Posts: 4,754	U will probably gain 15rwhp __________________ 344hp and 324tq"Cam only" Tuned by LT Motorsports

November 5th, 2009, 11:16 PM	#4
tarpeeler Regular 2008 GT Alloy 13.2@107 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ft Jackson Posts: 441	nah i dont see how you could lose any __________________ " I Am Tarpeeler, And I Approve This Message." Quarter Window Delete Member#1

November 5th, 2009, 11:18 PM	#5
07 STROKER MM's resident Juice head 07 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA Posts: 7,482	dont you lose some low end with longtubes? __________________ The MGW short throw shifter Its not just a shifter...It's a lifestyle!

November 5th, 2009, 11:25 PM	#6
tarpeeler Regular 2008 GT Alloy 13.2@107 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ft Jackson Posts: 441	i thought it was gain more torque with shorties and more overall power with lt's? __________________ " I Am Tarpeeler, And I Approve This Message." Quarter Window Delete Member#1

November 6th, 2009, 01:25 AM	#8
Marc S Newbie 2008 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Washington Posts: 26	I installed Mac L/T and their O/R prochamber last week. I still have the stock mufflers and after hearing how good the car sounds, I will keep them. I did not do a before and after dyno the same day, I should have. The last time I had the car dyno tuned the temp was 30 degrees and the humidity was 22%. I had the car dyno tuned last weekend, the temp was 64 degrees and the humidity was 94%. That being said I picked up 11 RWHP and 18 ft lbs of torque. However, the torque below 2,200 RPM's was down. I believe the weather variance accounted for another 5-10 HP. __________________ 08 5spd, JLT II and dyno tune, 4.10's, race LCA, 275/40/18 & 285/40/18 Toyo T1R's, 18x9 & 18x10, H&R race springs, Koni's. 313 RWHP

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November 6th, 2009, 01:26 AM	#9
Towelly Wherever you go! 2006 Mustang GT 13.04 @ 106 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,648	It depends on the style of header, but with most you will loose some down low. True long tubes move the power ban farther up in the RPM's. Kooks or Mac will likely not loose you a whole lot down low because they are more of a mid-length header than a true long tube like say BBK or American Racing and such. __________________ "Its the things you love that make you who you are!" "I guess that makes me large breasts...." Penny and Howard. The Big Bang Theory

November 6th, 2009, 03:21 AM	#10
Redrocket06 Regular 2006 GT Coupe 12.562@108.74 1.819 60ft Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 186	I had a minimal loss down low, but the overall sound and mid-upper rpm gains more than make up for it. __________________ 2006 GT, 5 speed, 3.55, Vortech V3 Noncooled, Brenspeed 93 tune, OBX LT's O/R H-pipe, Delete Plates, LCA, Sway Bar Removed V3 installed Fri. the 13th Times and video to follow.

November 6th, 2009, 04:16 AM	#11
Youngin Hip Hop Artist Byebye V6~ Welcome Home New Pony :P Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Californ-i-A Posts: 5,542	you will lose low end torque.. due to lack of back pressure.. but you will gain up top! so it is worth it. you will also get pissed trying to fit those suckers in there lol __________________ ItaliStang Made.. Maybe Red But Makes One Hell Of A Sig http://www.myspace.com/moddedmustangz Modded Mustang's Song http://i30.tinypic.com/2en6byt.jpg

November 6th, 2009, 12:39 PM	#13
07 Boss Hardcore Enthusiast 2007 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,194	You don't lose torque or power, you gain torque and power. You just shift the torque curve to higher in the RPM's range. I don't know why that is such a hard concept to understand. __________________ Roush CAI-Bama tune-Pacesetter L/T's and H-pipe-Flowmasters-4.10's-PH Driveshaft-Pro Kit-BMR LCA's w/brckts-BMR adj UCA & adj Panhard Ctr fogs-Generation II Facia-rear blackout w/seq tails-SHR flush mounts-Cervinis side scoops-Steeda Street Wing

November 6th, 2009, 12:53 PM	#14
onederful100 Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 994	Kooks or __________________ 2007 GT 5sp 1992 LX 5.0 whipple crew member 2-Stang Crew My Car

November 6th, 2009, 01:04 PM	#15
HOLLYWD69 Regular 07 GT/CS 12.82 @115.6 mph Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Walker, La. Posts: 239	OK so I have heard all of the horror stories about the header installs but is it really that bad? I’m kinda scared to get them! __________________ 07 GT/CS, FRPP GTA exhaust, FRPP handling package, FRPP whipple SC, Hurst shifter, Roush Gauge Pod, A/F gauge, Boost gauge, J&M LCA and relocation brackets.

November 6th, 2009, 08:55 PM	#19
Redrocket06 Regular 2006 GT Coupe 12.562@108.74 1.819 60ft Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 186	The install took me 12 hrs and I did most of it by myself, with just 2 jack stands and a jack. They are a tight fit, but give yourself a couple days to install and all will be OK. There are 1000 threads on the install for all different LT brands with excellent advice. When you get done, you will pick up power, a solid exhaust sound, and more pride for your car where you do it yourself. Not to mention more $$$ in your pocket for not paying an installer. Check this out: S197 Ford Mustang Headers - Three-Valve Long-Tube Header Test - 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords Magazine __________________ 2006 GT, 5 speed, 3.55, Vortech V3 Noncooled, Brenspeed 93 tune, OBX LT's O/R H-pipe, Delete Plates, LCA, Sway Bar Removed V3 installed Fri. the 13th Times and video to follow.

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