[96GTRagTop]

I understand that the gt 500 is supposed to be affordable. Why couldn't they have taken the terminator motor and squeezed an extra 30-50 horse na from the motor before putting a better S/c on her. I think if you put a 500 hp termintor block motor in the car vs a 500 hp 5.4 the terminator powered car is gonna stomp the 5.4

And I'm sorry, but the new shelby's run 12.2 12.3 quarters, you put that motor in a terminator, throw upper and lower control arms, and that car is going in the 11's. an 03 terminator weighs what 350-400 lbs less then the shelby's right?

And the new body style has nothing to do with speed, it's the 3v motor and ability to option a higher rear end. You give me a 3v to put in my 96, and the stock gears that come in any 05-07, and i can pretty much run high 13's low 14's all day long. Put that in a 99-04 and i bet she run low low low 13's. Stock 05-07 run 13.7's on a great day.

[itschristorres8]

show me the gt-500 runnign 12.2 in the 1/4 with out DRs
then say that

[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by 06RedfireGT comparing the GT500 to a ZO6 is unfair because it costs $25k more and it weighs like 600lbs less. if ford wanted to make a car that was a true competior for the ZO6 stock for stock they would have used the motor from the Ford GT that is an aluminum block, they would have used light weight body panels, and put an IRS in it. The idea was to have a car that looks badass and hauls ass with 500hp for under $50k. ford met that goal perfectly. granted it is a little overweight but ford used the iron block 5.4 because the aluminum one has a dry sump oiling system which costs alot more. shit for $50k you can have a 700hp+ car that will blow the doors off of ANY stock car. Last time I checked nothing directly from the factory runs 9s.

oh yea your totally right
since non have sold for under $50k....did i settle that for you?
shit even used ones are goin for over $50,000
and badass looks
different hood and front bumper...and rims that look like shit
SOO BADASS! if you think that car looks sick as is...the KR should bust your nut
cause i've past by 5 gt-500 everytime i point it out anyone im with says it just looks like a GT
FORD MADE THAT CAR TO BE THE FASTEST MUSTANG OUT THERE...yea it is by .1 of a second in the 1/4
with over 100 more hp then its old buddy the terminator which almost any real mustang enth. would say is a better car
that car sold in the $30-40k range
not $60k


look up some callway vettes an lenefinger or fether idk what they're called.

[itschristorres8]

dont talk about dropping a 5.4 gt-500 motor in a terminator...WTF IS THE POINT?
4.6 to a 5.4 other wise point less.
the terminator has a forged bottom end, s/c and other twin screw kits that are bolt on
both engines are 32valves

the gt-500 clearly did not meet qouta. if you think so then you havent really looked into that car

that car is what i'd say just a collector item and an ugly one at that with from what i've seen the biggest waste of a FI 500hp motor


ford is making a KR thats suppose to knock down the z06....THATS ITS GOAL!! so when it comes out and fails and sucks like the gt-500 you guys saying comparing it to a z06 is pointless


cause tell me how they compare a $200,000 porche and ferrari to the $70k z06 and the z06 comes out on top, at the strip, and track!! yes! cornering and all

10.8 on DRs BONE STOCK buddy ford aint making no mustang doing that on SLICKS! completely stock

oh and $20,000 difference? how bad are you guys at math
z06-$70k
gt-500-$60-65k
is it me or are you guys horrible at math?

so what you guys gotta work on
explaining how you cant compare the very comparable gt-500 and z06(or what should be compareable but the z06 rap's it back n forth like a bitch)

but how the z06 can step up to turbo'd 911 porshe and the F430 ferrari bone stock and leave the owners crying with their 100+grand wasted


face it ford fucked up,....the GT-500 is a miscarriage and hopefully the KR wont be...
FORD knows they fucked up thats why they havent even finished the KR's plans and thats why they need it

[SEANMD81]

damn all this this talk about motor swaps makes it seem like were on an import sight. guys are out there building Evo's and STI's to out run all the cars mentioned above and there doing it for under 50k including the price of the car. and i'm sure there dude on this sight that are pushing some big horse power that are blowing away 500's and zo6's for a lot less. so the arguing is pointless its all a matter of opinion

[itschristorres8]

my point exactly!
gt-500= failure
terminator=less money and a tie stock for stock

[Emay]

Chris,

You gotta remember something, the GT-500 is not supposed to be a 60-65k car. Dealers and must have enthusiasts made it that, not Mr. Ford. The guys that had to be the first to have it, started the premium costing. Can't argue this, look at the MSRP on the sticker it's not 65K, it's 15 to 18k to the south of that.

That being said, it's a far cheaper car MSRP wise, and not technically a failure at that figure when talking z06 to GT-500. In comparison to the Terminators by your own statistics it's equal to. Maybe the loyal mustang followers don't like it so much, but like most developments they grow on people. Should they have brought the house down with 600+ HP. Sure, is it economical and likely, hell no.

I'm a chevy guy through and through, but I had to have a S-197, the car is just killer and carried lots of potential. I think I have exploited that on my ride. There are parts of the GT500 I dislike, and others I do like.

Lastly, I can't agree with the reference of Ferrari/Porsche costing to a Z06, your talking about high end super cars with tons of creature features and offshore importing costs. Your only partially paying for performance with those cars, and mostly paying for the manufacturer name. I'd take a Ferrari F-40 or F50 over anything american, regardless of cost if I could afford it.

Some of what you say I agree, but there's also a lot I simply can't. It is what is, GT500 slight let down but not as much as it's being portrayed here.

[GTNorm]

A bunch of good points made above. I'd also like to add that you can't buy a Z06 for 70 around here. They are bumped up to 87 or more.

[TheUNZippee!]

Originally Posted by Emay Chris, You gotta remember something, the GT-500 is not supposed to be a 60-65k car. Dealers and must have enthusiasts made it that, not Mr. Ford. The guys that had to be the first to have it, started the premium costing. Can't argue this, look at the MSRP on the sticker it's not 65K, it's 15 to 18k to the south of that. That being said, it's a far cheaper car MSRP wise, and not technically a failure at that figure when talking z06 to GT-500. In comparison to the Terminators by your own statistics it's equal to. Maybe the loyal mustang followers don't like it so much, but like most developments they grow on people. Should they have brought the house down with 600+ HP. Sure, is it economical and likely, hell no. I'm a chevy guy through and through, but I had to have a S-197, the car is just killer and carried lots of potential. I think I have exploited that on my ride. There are parts of the GT500 I dislike, and others I do like. Lastly, I can't agree with the reference of Ferrari/Porsche costing to a Z06, your talking about high end super cars with tons of creature features and offshore importing costs. Your only partially paying for performance with those cars, and mostly paying for the manufacturer name. I'd take a Ferrari F-40 or F50 over anything american, regardless of cost if I could afford it. Some of what you say I agree, but there's also a lot I simply can't. It is what is, GT500 slight let down but not as much as it's being portrayed here.

I agree. Chris & I have went round over this before, and a lot of this is subjective. One man's trash is another mans treasure. There are definitely things I would like to see improved on the GT500, such as the weight. But once again, it's hard to argue with a 500 horsepower car that bangs out 12 second 1/4 mile times, even though it weighs 2 tons. It's a shame that the price has been driven up so high, but as you stated, that's not a Ford issue, it's a demand issue. The Z06 stickers for 90 grand here in Canada, but sells for 110 - 120k. This is not an uncommon occurrence with specialty cars.
Again, it's all subjective. That's why they make different cars. To me, the Vette' has evolved in to an almost supercar for the 'slightly' rich among us, while the Ford is more of an old school, easy to modify, rough around the edges car with lots of room to improve. It all depends on what trips your trigger, but again, 500 horsepower is 500 horsepower. Could the GT500 be better? It sure could. But for me, part of the appeal is making the things I don't like about my car better.

[DanishStallion]

if you can fit a v12 vanquish in an 05, you can almost fit anything under that

http://www.wmsracing.com/wmsweb/vpproject.htm


edited due to typos

[itschristorres8]

whats the vettes sale price that its SUPPOSE to go for
you can say the gt-500 is suppose to be 50k cause the z06 isnt suppose to be 70-80k...

anyone who says that the gt-500 displays 500hp nicely or was just as ford said it to be is wrong or never seen a true 500hp car

ford said it to be the fastestthing they ever built.....i havent seen it do anything the 03/04 cobra couldnt do....so the displacement of 5.4L vs 4.6L both supercharged 32valve running the same times....

Gt-500 doesnt even look like anything special as well....for such a highly promoted car it looks like the mustang GT almost.. the GT is only a few tenths of a second slower/full second and has 200less hp...and smaller engine...with only 3valves per cylinder vs 4valve with a s/c....


did ford try to have competition with with the Mustang GT or another car if so what car? nothing fast i hope or with 350hp..that might be a challenge..

[beheivjer]

the motors are hand built in what used to be a hilo shed that they keep 2 hilos in the striped it out redid the inside and there are roughly 6-8 guys in there at a time building motors it is pretty cool to see.

[Regency 2007]

Gotta remember one thing about the GT500- TONS! of potential...

GT500's are going deep into the 10's with bolt ons and good drivers. A guy brought his 460rwhp GT500 to the tuner I am useing and he had the tuner switch out the stock blower for a Kenne Belle, he went from 460-704 rwhp with just a supercharger alone, on race gas and full exhaust that is getting really close to 1,000 hp and the motor is very strong!

[Darwin]

I like what I got and will mod and ride with pride.

I like the look and the potential of the S-197. Vett is a roadster (A.K.A Wedge) the stang is not. 4 seat Camaro-TA-fire (whatever the hell it is) are clones of the lame GM designers. Yeah, the cars have a good motor, but they could have done better, they are damn ugly. Ford gave it's customers The Mustang and look at all the aftermarket modders who are not ashamed to put their name on their version of it. Plenty of good there and it is being exploited.

If you are stuck with a y2k v6 and cry about better machines being a rip-off you need to sell and buy that vette/camaro/fire-plug and mod it and be king of the highway.

The option for crate or aftermarket motors is great, a big block with a s/c would be fun as hell.

[06RedfireGT]

chris what you fail to realize is that MSRP to MSRP the GT500 is only $7600 more. To make a terminator do what a GT500 does with the stock internals/blower you have to do extensive mods. The GT500 can run 9s with bolt ons and a 75 shot of NO2. With the Terminator you need a new supercharger or twin turbo setup AND you have to swap in a solid rear axle. blower. custom tune, suspension. all that shit isnt cheap. there isnt anything on that GT500 that you couldnt do in your driveway except for the custom tune. if ford wanted to make a car that competes with the ZO6 the wouldve tacked on another 30 grand to the price and actually made a car that comes close. im not saying anything bad about the terminator or the ZO6. both are incredible cars in their own respects. but the bottom line is that ford never intended to make a car that would compete with the ZO6. are there things that the GT500 improve on? sure there are. the most prominant thing is the weight. its that big ass iron block. there could be better brakes and a better suspension. but if you look at the big picture youll realize that for what it was designed to do the GT500 is a great car. where else do you get 500hp and a warranty for less that $41000. NOWHERE. if you put $2500 in mods into a terminator and a GT500 the GT500 would be running 10s al day long, the terminator would be running high 11s and would risk exploding the IRS. if your looking to run 11s as cheap as possible then a terminator is the way to go. it takes to mods like a fat kid to a cake. but if you have slightly deeper pockets and are looking for more performance and dont want to go absolutly shit crazy with mods and have to refinance your house in the process the GT500 is your ticket to a 9 second 1/4 mile.

[TheUNZippee!]

Word.

[06RedfireGT]

thanks zip

[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by 06RedfireGT chris what you fail to realize is that MSRP to MSRP the GT500 is only $7600 more. To make a terminator do what a GT500 does with the stock internals/blower you have to do extensive mods. The GT500 can run 9s with bolt ons and a 75 shot of NO2. With the Terminator you need a new supercharger or twin turbo setup AND you have to swap in a solid rear axle. blower. custom tune, suspension. all that shit isnt cheap. there isnt anything on that GT500 that you couldnt do in your driveway except for the custom tune. if ford wanted to make a car that competes with the ZO6 the wouldve tacked on another 30 grand to the price and actually made a car that comes close. im not saying anything bad about the terminator or the ZO6. both are incredible cars in their own respects. but the bottom line is that ford never intended to make a car that would compete with the ZO6. are there things that the GT500 improve on? sure there are. the most prominant thing is the weight. its that big ass iron block. there could be better brakes and a better suspension. but if you look at the big picture youll realize that for what it was designed to do the GT500 is a great car. where else do you get 500hp and a warranty for less that $41000. NOWHERE. if you put $2500 in mods into a terminator and a GT500 the GT500 would be running 10s al day long, the terminator would be running high 11s and would risk exploding the IRS. if your looking to run 11s as cheap as possible then a terminator is the way to go. it takes to mods like a fat kid to a cake. but if you have slightly deeper pockets and are looking for more performance and dont want to go absolutly shit crazy with mods and have to refinance your house in the process the GT500 is your ticket to a 9 second 1/4 mile.

that gt-500 went through multiple tunes, and pulleys

it had gears, pulleys, LOADS of suspension work, a serious tune, bolt ons and nitrous and slicks


the terminator can run stock vs stock with it
bolt ons the terminator can reach 9s plus nitrous
KB swaps are bolt on...so are whipple
2.8L KB bolt ons and nitrous will hit 9s easy probably on drags instead of slicks as well

oh and the terminator is a 4.6 vs the 5.4

[itschristorres8]

NOT ONE GT-500 has cold for ANYWHERE in the 40grand area...i havent even seen a used one sell in the 50s

the z06 isnt 30k more

you cant do a rollcage in your drive way unless you wana get serious and be a smartas...that car has a rollcage...

terminator...s/c swap can be dont in drive way....every can be done

and ther terminator has forged internals like the gt-500....so when yu say stock internals...shut up because you make them sound like its got weak internals

plus tell me how much hp that GT-500 had and took to make 9s...even 10s!!!!

and tell me why that 9 second GT-500 ran 13 seconds when that tunning company bought the gt-500??!??!?! huh wat happen...is the 500hp 13 second gt-500 still badass and a mean machine

and people still fail to metion or say anytthin about how the uncomparable z06 beat
a turbo'd 911 PORSCHE which is a legend and unarguable performance
as well as the FAMOUS ferrari f430

2 extreme supercars with MMUCH MORE engineering and time and experience put into it and valued at much more with generally the same if not more power LOSE to the CHEVY z06.....


btw ford considers the GT-500 a supercar

[06RedfireGT]

ya know if you think that the mustang sucks so bad why the fuck are you driving one? and what the hell are you talking about you cant install a roll cage in your drive way? all you need is a welder and hand tools. and what do you call swapping in a solid rear axle? i call it loads of suspension work. you cant touch the times that GT500 lays down with an IRS. and the ZO6 is 30 grand more. the GT500's MSRP is just under 41 grand, the ZO6's is 70, well 29 grand more. the GT500 put out a 9 second quarter mile with the stock supercharger. that is a hell of a lot more impressive that a terminator running 10s with a KB. they both need suspension mods, extensive dyno tuning, and slicks to reach their full potential. and who the hell was runnin 13s in a stock GT500? it was either at 7000+ feet or grandma from down the street was driving. 0.if you watch the video it shows the specs.

664 RWHP
778 RWTQ

9.96 @ 141.45 mph.

i think anyone would agree with me that those are some pretty impressive numbers for a car with just bolt ons. ya know what happens when a stock car tries to mess with that GT500? it completely fuckin destroys it. anything you throw at it would crash and burn. ferrari, porsche, lambo, the almighty ZO6. anything will lose. whether it be an $8000 hyundai or a $1000000 bugatti, it cant touch it in the 1320.

This is what you said:
"that gt-500 went through multiple tunes, and pulleys

it had gears, pulleys, LOADS of suspension work, a serious tune, bolt ons and nitrous and slicks


the terminator can run stock vs stock with it
bolt ons the terminator can reach 9s plus nitrous
KB swaps are bolt on...so are whipple
2.8L KB bolt ons and nitrous will hit 9s easy probably on drags instead of slicks as well"

what would you have to do to a terminator to have it touch that GT500? gears, solid axle swap (which is LOADS of suspension work), a serious tune, nitrous, and slicks. and the GT500 only has a 75 shot, its not like it has a 200 shot or something so stop making a big deal of it.

is it impressive that the ZO6 out performs porsche and ferrari. absolutally (sp?). but the fact is that the GT500 is way more car for a lot less money.

oh and one more thing. i don't give a shit how much they are selling for. it is what ford set the price at which is $40,930, not 60k or what ever the hell they're selling for. thats the fuckin money grubbin stealerships stickin it up peoples asses for em. ford didn't intend for it to be that way. its a rare car of coarse it gonna sell WAY over list. do you think that ZO6s are selling at list, no because they are also a rare car.