Turbo is done, got a question for you turbo guru's

Regency 2007 · June 21st, 2007, 05:01 PM

Well got the Hellion finished today and this thing is a beast when it kicks in!

Made 420RWHP/415RWTQ with 20" heavy Foose wheels, 100 degrees, and only 7psi!

My question, car wants to stall everytime I get into boost then push the clutch in, I know it has to be the extra pressure from the turbo being spit out of the BOV which is located near the air sensor... so it is almost certain that the "wasted" boost is getting to the MAFS, could it be that the BOV is not letting all the air out like it should?

05mustang_kb_charged · June 21st, 2007, 05:07 PM

What is A/F Ratio a WOD and when you jump off the throttle. Had similar problem with that with KB. Was to rich on top in.

jat · June 21st, 2007, 05:21 PM

u dont have a BOV,
u have a bypass where the compressed air is sent b4 the MAF which then decompresses.. you have a tuner problem... who tuned it?

Regency 2007 · June 21st, 2007, 11:27 PM

it's not a tuner problem, the AF is dead on! It happens when I am getting out of hard boost and letting off by punching the clutch in

SEANMD81 · June 22nd, 2007, 07:31 AM

Hey my subaru did the same thing but i was pushing 20lbs. i had mine retuned a couple of times and it never fixxed it. I was running to lean at times. Turbos are so damn iffy with that damn AFR. i dont know if it will help but see if you can swith to an atmospheric BOV. That just purges the air out instead of plumbing it back into the intake like bypass valves. like i said i dont know if it will help but your tune is right on then its probaly something small and stupid wrong.

Regency 2007 · June 22nd, 2007, 10:47 AM

I will ask about that

Regency 2007 · June 22nd, 2007, 03:31 PM

ChrisJ · June 22nd, 2007, 03:39 PM

Sounds like your bashwashing your MAF...Same was happening with me when i first put my set-up on my car...

Where is your MAF located on this set-up? I cant see it from the pictures...

adam0421 · June 22nd, 2007, 03:41 PM

That my friend is some of the hardest hardcore car porn i have ever seen. Nice Ride. BTW did u get rid of the R on the back yet?

Regency 2007 · June 22nd, 2007, 03:54 PM

Yes I got rid of the "R" on the back.

It is backwash on the MAF, the MAF is located right next to the air filter but it is hard to tell from the pictures.... do you think a better bypass/BOV would fix the problem? I have been trying to contact Hellion but dont answer!

ChrisJ · June 22nd, 2007, 03:58 PM

From the look of the pictures you ahve the BPV shooting the air towards the inlet of the turbo...Can you get more pictures of how the BPV is set-up and how it returns?

An upgraded BPV could help you out...

I figured the car would be vented to the autmosphere...

Regency 2007 · June 22nd, 2007, 04:33 PM

yea I'm not sure why hellion did it that way, everything is perfect and 100% quality on the kit but then it has backwash, but the tuner said it is no where near the backwash the powerhouse system has.... guy took his powerhouse system off and put a supercharger on it

Everytime I get into boost and gt out of it, I have to blimp the throttle some so it doesn't do it

ChrisJ · June 22nd, 2007, 04:36 PM

Yep same thign that happened to me...

Your backwashing the $hit out of your maf...

Regency 2007 · June 22nd, 2007, 04:36 PM

here is another picture from the website...

ChrisJ · June 22nd, 2007, 04:40 PM

I think the bend in the pipe might be causeing some of your issues...The one coming right off the BPV...I think a better BPV and someone to straigten the discharge tube for the BPV and you should be set...

Regency 2007 · June 22nd, 2007, 04:51 PM

I'm not hurting the car any am I?

ChrisJ · June 22nd, 2007, 04:57 PM

Dont think so but then again I am not sure how your tune is...

My tune would jsut get extremely fat whenever I would let up on the throttle...I fixed it quickly because I did not like it...

I cant see a wideband in your picture so Im guessing you dont have one...

Are you using an xcal2 for tuning? You could datalog with the XCAL2 if you have it...

You could fix it without getting a new BPV...You jsut need to have the tube that comes from the BPV modified...
It will get annoying...

Regency 2007 · June 22nd, 2007, 05:06 PM

Ok I will talk to the tuner about it.... I have it SCT tuned and the A/F is pretty much perfect on it.

It starts at around 14 at idle then it is almosta straight line across at 12 through the RPM range and right at 6.5RPM it dips to 11.5 (this is at 101 degrees in the shop)

Regency 2007 · June 22nd, 2007, 05:25 PM

I just got off the phone with Hellion and they said I should be able to hit full boost then pop it into neutral without it backwashing, so I called the tuner and he is going to have me bring it back on monday and we are going to throw it back on the dyno and check all the fitting and the BPV, hopefully everything works out!

Next on the list is a Boost Controller to get one more PSI out of it

ChrisJ · June 22nd, 2007, 05:39 PM

I was just wanting you to check what the A/F is doing when you let off of it (and it backwashes)...

And yes the putting the car in neutral will work for ya...I had to do it for a week till I fixed mine...But it gets annoying...

Me personaly I would fix the backwash issue before doing anythign else...You can run the cooler to get mor boost out of it but me personally would want to fix the bakwash issue for no other reason then to not to have to put it neutral after a good pull...

June 21st, 2007, 05:01 PM	#1
Regency 2007 Hardcore Enthusiast F-150 FX4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Memphrica Posts: 1,153	Turbo is done, got a question for you turbo guru's Well got the Hellion finished today and this thing is a beast when it kicks in! Made 420RWHP/415RWTQ with 20" heavy Foose wheels, 100 degrees, and only 7psi! My question, car wants to stall everytime I get into boost then push the clutch in, I know it has to be the extra pressure from the turbo being spit out of the BOV which is located near the air sensor... so it is almost certain that the "wasted" boost is getting to the MAFS, could it be that the BOV is not letting all the air out like it should?

June 22nd, 2007, 03:39 PM	#8
ChrisJ MuchCoolerThanGTsetGO 2002 Mustang GT SLOW Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Shepherdsville, Kentucky Posts: 16,389	Sounds like your bashwashing your MAF...Same was happening with me when i first put my set-up on my car... Where is your MAF located on this set-up? I cant see it from the pictures... __________________ My Junk www.myspace.com/cjobe

June 22nd, 2007, 03:41 PM	#9
adam0421 Regular 06 GT Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 250	That my friend is some of the hardest hardcore car porn i have ever seen. Nice Ride. BTW did u get rid of the R on the back yet? __________________ In order to live, you must be willing to die. 06 Torch Red GT: pypes axleback, o/r H pipe. JLT bama 91 Race Tune, 4.10's 08 Ninja stock

June 22nd, 2007, 03:58 PM	#11
ChrisJ MuchCoolerThanGTsetGO 2002 Mustang GT SLOW Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Shepherdsville, Kentucky Posts: 16,389	From the look of the pictures you ahve the BPV shooting the air towards the inlet of the turbo...Can you get more pictures of how the BPV is set-up and how it returns? An upgraded BPV could help you out... I figured the car would be vented to the autmosphere... __________________ My Junk www.myspace.com/cjobe

June 22nd, 2007, 04:36 PM	#13
ChrisJ MuchCoolerThanGTsetGO 2002 Mustang GT SLOW Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Shepherdsville, Kentucky Posts: 16,389	Yep same thign that happened to me... Your backwashing the $hit out of your maf... __________________ My Junk www.myspace.com/cjobe

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June 21st, 2007, 05:07 PM	#2
05mustang_kb_charged Hardcore Enthusiast 2005 Mustang GT Dyno Racer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: LSU Country Posts: 2,272	What is A/F Ratio a WOD and when you jump off the throttle. Had similar problem with that with KB. Was to rich on top in.

June 21st, 2007, 05:21 PM	#3
jat Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Maspeth , Queens, NYC Posts: 1,133	u dont have a BOV, u have a bypass where the compressed air is sent b4 the MAF which then decompresses.. you have a tuner problem... who tuned it?

June 21st, 2007, 11:27 PM	#4
Regency 2007 Hardcore Enthusiast F-150 FX4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Memphrica Posts: 1,153	it's not a tuner problem, the AF is dead on! It happens when I am getting out of hard boost and letting off by punching the clutch in

June 22nd, 2007, 07:31 AM	#5
SEANMD81 Regular Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 104	Hey my subaru did the same thing but i was pushing 20lbs. i had mine retuned a couple of times and it never fixxed it. I was running to lean at times. Turbos are so damn iffy with that damn AFR. i dont know if it will help but see if you can swith to an atmospheric BOV. That just purges the air out instead of plumbing it back into the intake like bypass valves. like i said i dont know if it will help but your tune is right on then its probaly something small and stupid wrong.

June 22nd, 2007, 10:47 AM	#6
Regency 2007 Hardcore Enthusiast F-150 FX4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Memphrica Posts: 1,153	I will ask about that

June 22nd, 2007, 03:31 PM	#7
Regency 2007 Hardcore Enthusiast F-150 FX4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Memphrica Posts: 1,153

June 22nd, 2007, 03:54 PM	#10
Regency 2007 Hardcore Enthusiast F-150 FX4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Memphrica Posts: 1,153	Yes I got rid of the "R" on the back. It is backwash on the MAF, the MAF is located right next to the air filter but it is hard to tell from the pictures.... do you think a better bypass/BOV would fix the problem? I have been trying to contact Hellion but dont answer!

June 22nd, 2007, 04:33 PM	#12
Regency 2007 Hardcore Enthusiast F-150 FX4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Memphrica Posts: 1,153	yea I'm not sure why hellion did it that way, everything is perfect and 100% quality on the kit but then it has backwash, but the tuner said it is no where near the backwash the powerhouse system has.... guy took his powerhouse system off and put a supercharger on it Everytime I get into boost and gt out of it, I have to blimp the throttle some so it doesn't do it

June 22nd, 2007, 04:40 PM	#15
ChrisJ MuchCoolerThanGTsetGO 2002 Mustang GT SLOW Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Shepherdsville, Kentucky Posts: 16,389	I think the bend in the pipe might be causeing some of your issues...The one coming right off the BPV...I think a better BPV and someone to straigten the discharge tube for the BPV and you should be set... __________________ My Junk www.myspace.com/cjobe

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June 22nd, 2007, 04:51 PM	#16
Regency 2007 Hardcore Enthusiast F-150 FX4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Memphrica Posts: 1,153	I'm not hurting the car any am I?

June 22nd, 2007, 04:57 PM	#17
ChrisJ MuchCoolerThanGTsetGO 2002 Mustang GT SLOW Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Shepherdsville, Kentucky Posts: 16,389	Dont think so but then again I am not sure how your tune is... My tune would jsut get extremely fat whenever I would let up on the throttle...I fixed it quickly because I did not like it... I cant see a wideband in your picture so Im guessing you dont have one... Are you using an xcal2 for tuning? You could datalog with the XCAL2 if you have it... You could fix it without getting a new BPV...You jsut need to have the tube that comes from the BPV modified... It will get annoying... __________________ My Junk www.myspace.com/cjobe

June 22nd, 2007, 05:06 PM	#18
Regency 2007 Hardcore Enthusiast F-150 FX4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Memphrica Posts: 1,153	Ok I will talk to the tuner about it.... I have it SCT tuned and the A/F is pretty much perfect on it. It starts at around 14 at idle then it is almosta straight line across at 12 through the RPM range and right at 6.5RPM it dips to 11.5 (this is at 101 degrees in the shop)

June 22nd, 2007, 05:25 PM	#19
Regency 2007 Hardcore Enthusiast F-150 FX4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Memphrica Posts: 1,153	I just got off the phone with Hellion and they said I should be able to hit full boost then pop it into neutral without it backwashing, so I called the tuner and he is going to have me bring it back on monday and we are going to throw it back on the dyno and check all the fitting and the BPV, hopefully everything works out! Next on the list is a Boost Controller to get one more PSI out of it

June 22nd, 2007, 05:39 PM	#20
ChrisJ MuchCoolerThanGTsetGO 2002 Mustang GT SLOW Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Shepherdsville, Kentucky Posts: 16,389	I was just wanting you to check what the A/F is doing when you let off of it (and it backwashes)... And yes the putting the car in neutral will work for ya...I had to do it for a week till I fixed mine...But it gets annoying... Me personaly I would fix the backwash issue before doing anythign else...You can run the cooler to get mor boost out of it but me personally would want to fix the bakwash issue for no other reason then to not to have to put it neutral after a good pull... __________________ My Junk www.myspace.com/cjobe