[06Black5spdGT]

My car was broken into a while back, and all they took was my mobile gps.
Anyways, I had the window fixed the same day it got busted into, and had the window retinted. While I was getting it done, I was looking at their car alarms.

I've been wanting to get a remote start car alarm installed into my car. Only problem is that I've always been thinking about problems that may arise since it's a 5-Speed.

The remote starter alarm is made by Viper, the owner there had it on his car.

I just wanna know if anyone else here has one on their s197(manual tranny) and if they've had any problems.

I never leave the car in first so I already know that it wont be a problem on that end.(have the car go and roll off into traffic or something) As long as I've been driving a stick, I've always left the car in Neutral.

[texas_mustang]

ive got a pyton 990 and i didnt get the remote start installed

it fucks up your clutch ive heard. plus, if you ever leave your car in gear, and you remote start it, your cars gonna start moving...

[EfylSetaf]

From what I remember overhearing on the topic, they have lockout devices that disable the remote start if the car is in gear. Do some searching for it here and elsewhere, should be some topics on it (I'll do some looking too later this morning, I'd like to know for sure).

[EfylSetaf]

Here's an MM thread on the subject.

And, had a quick chat with Google, this was a half informative thread.

I say half, because there are lots of "I heard this story once where the car blew itself up!!!1!" type of second hand hearsay.

Most informative post was the last:

"I live in Canada and have had remote starters specifically designed for manual transmission cars in mine for the last 12 years. They are 100% safe.

The parking brake is connected to the remote starter as well as all the door switches or dome light.

The way it works is as follows.

When you park the car you must leave it running and apply the handbrake. You must press on the remote start button which keeps the car running. you remove your ignition key and everyone exits the vehicle while the car continues to run. This proves that the car is in neutral. once you close all the doors you press the start button again. This in turn shuts off the engine and the remote start is now enabled. If at any time any door is opened without the car running the remote start will be disabled since someone can slip it into gear. If you want to retrieve something from your car while keeping the remote start enabled you must start it from the remote. enter the vehicle and get whatever you want. Close the doors once again and hit the start button which will once again kill the engine and put it in ready mode."

[texas_mustang]

another quick note about car alarms

if you break your remote your fucked, becuase you cant start the car unless you unlock it with the remote. your old ford remote wont work, infact if you unlock the car with the stock ford remote it triggers your alarm

i went swimming a month ago and my keys fell in and i was stuck at the pool. what i ended up doing was putting the key in the ignition, and jumping the terminals on the starter solonoide

[EfylSetaf]

Originally Posted by texas_mustang another quick note about car alarms if you break your remote your fucked, becuase you cant start the car unless you unlock it with the remote. your old ford remote wont work, infact if you unlock the car with the stock ford remote it triggers your alarm i went swimming a month ago and my keys fell in and i was stuck at the pool. what i ended up doing was putting the key in the ignition, and jumping the terminals on the starter solonoide

Yeah, it's pretty cheap to go to the dealer with both your original keys with remotes and order a third spare.

Apparently if you lose one, then the cost of getting another goes up three times. Something to do with programming the remotes is a five minute process if you have two already programmed, but if you only have one, then you have to ship it to Ford and get another custom programmed.

[MikeysOTP]

I have a Compustar pager alarm with remote start and it works great. I don’t have to push any buttons to activate it either. Just stop the car, take it out of gear, release the clutch, apply handbrake, then turn the key off. The car continues to run until the driver side door has been opened then closed. At that point, the alarm arms and then the car turns off. If any alarm trigger occurs after this, or if you re-enter the car to get something then the remote start feature is disabled. Since I have a motion sensor in my vert, it is impossible for someone to reach in and knock the car into gear even if the top is down. I am very happy with the way my alarm functions and I have no worries that the car will ever start while in gear. Some people claim that there are systems that can detect if the car is in gear or not but I do not know of any and I searched a lot before going with thhe Compustar.

[stanglifemike]

Sounds cool

[Garhfer]

Originally Posted by texas_mustang another quick note about car alarms if you break your remote your fucked, becuase you cant start the car unless you unlock it with the remote. your old ford remote wont work, infact if you unlock the car with the stock ford remote it triggers your alarm i went swimming a month ago and my keys fell in and i was stuck at the pool. what i ended up doing was putting the key in the ignition, and jumping the terminals on the starter solonoide

Nah, if you break your remote you aren't fucked, you just unlock it with the key and have to take out the car alarm's fuse and then car will start right up just fine...

[06Black5spdGT]

Thanks a lot everyone, appreciate the info. I'm gonna go get it done today or on saturday. Like I said, I've never once left the car in gear, both of my parents do. But I've never seen the point unless you don't want the thing getting repo'd/towed away, which wont be happening in my case, ever.

Again, thanks a lot, you've all been a lot of help.

[zack065]

i've done them on a couple of my suburbans, and they always come out great. however, i don't think that i would have enough trust in myself to not leave the car in gear. but, if you can trust yourself, then they are great for when it's a a cold day and i leave the heater set to max.

[Garhfer]

Originally Posted by zack065 i've done them on a couple of my suburbans, and they always come out great. however, i don't think that i would have enough trust in myself to not leave the car in gear. but, if you can trust yourself, then they are great for when it's a a cold day and i leave the heater set to max.

how do you add in that option yourself? I have a 5 speed and nobody would do hook it up cause they don't want to be held reliable I have the wires and all for it just don't know how to hook it up

[MikeysOTP]

You can't leave the car in gear, it is running when you get out of it, if it was in gear while you got out I think you would know it!

[06Black5spdGT]

Originally Posted by MikeysOTP You can't leave the car in gear, it is running when you get out of it, if it was in gear while you got out I think you would know it!

Some people like to throw it in 1st afterwards so the car wont roll backwards.

[EfylSetaf]

Originally Posted by 06Black5spdGT Some people like to throw it in 1st afterwards so the car wont roll backwards.

That and also to make it not such an easy target for a thief with a tow truck.

[MikeysOTP]

Originally Posted by 06Black5spdGT Some people like to throw it in 1st afterwards so the car wont roll backwards.

Uh.......That is exactly my point, the car is running until after the doors are locked and the alarm is armed, there is no afterwards. When you turn the key off in my car the motor keeps running, it would be damn near impossible to get out with the car in gear.

What is the difference if the car is in gear or if the e-brake is on, either way they will just tow it from the rear. An alarm is not going to stop a professional car thief, if you think it is you are just wasting your money. My friend has owned his own business installing car alarms for over twenty years and he does everything as stealthy and secure as possible on my cars but he still knows ways around the alarm that you just can't stop.

[06Black5spdGT]

Originally Posted by MikeysOTP Uh.......That is exactly my point, the car is running until after the doors are locked and the alarm is armed, there is no afterwards. When you turn the key off in my car the motor keeps running, it would be damn near impossible to get out with the car in gear. What is the difference if the car is in gear or if the e-brake is on, either way they will just tow it from the rear. An alarm is not going to stop a professional car thief, if you think it is you are just wasting your money. My friend has owned his own business installing car alarms for over twenty years and he does everything as stealthy and secure as possible on my cars but he still knows ways around the alarm that you just can't stop.

How the hell did you get all of that just from "some people like to put the car in 1st afterwards"?

All I was saying is that some people without an auto start car like to put the car in 1st, so it's a habit they'll have to change. I never said anything about all the rest of what you said.

[MikeysOTP]

The first part was in response to what you said, the rest of it was in regards to what EfylSetaf said after you wrote about parking in gear. Just .

[Modified88Dreamer]

Originally Posted by texas_mustang plus, if you ever leave your car in gear, and you remote start it, your cars gonna start moving...

I did that to a co-workers car one time. He wanted me to work on it so I did. Afterwards I parked it behind the building in front of a new truck. Left it in reverse and no parking brake on and had no idea he had a remote start. Went home and found out the next day he said he started it the car rolled back into the new F-150 (like 0 miles brand spanking new, just got off the delivery truck). It smashed his tailight and from what they were saying that it screwed up the truck pretty bad.

[EfylSetaf]

Modified88Dreamer -- Yeah, that's exactly why the new remote starts won't work if the car's in gear. And if you see a remote start that will start while it's in gear... look for a different setup.


MikeysOTP - it's all about minimzing risk. I always turn the wheels towards the curb when parking on inclines. And my best friend's a cop -- nothings gonna stop a thief that really wants what you got -- but most of the thieves are lazy hacks who want to pop a quick opportunity. Kinda like locking your door handles -- easy to break the glass.. but plenty of people who'll open the door if the car's obviously unlocked pass by 1,000s of locked cars.