412hp - 390lb ft of torque

hamish · December 19th, 2009, 05:26 PM

Just more rumours off the internet.....I read possible aluminum block?

Mach Boy · December 19th, 2009, 06:18 PM

An aluminum block is all I have seen. They will probably up the boost too. Even if the new GT costs 38k it doesn't take a mathematician to figure out that a new GT with the cost of a blower is going to be less than a Shelby and make a lot more power. The question is, how much did they upgrade the internals?

TheUNZippee! · December 19th, 2009, 06:20 PM

Mickey if the current S197 weighs 3500 pounds, and the 2011 version weighs 3700 pounds, that does not convert 412 horsepower to the equivalent of 350.

When figuring out this differential, the common accepted rough method for calculating power vs weight is 10 hp per 100 lbs.

So if the 2011 is indeed 200 pound heavier, it's more like 390-395 horsepower in a 3500 lb S197. Not 350.

Just sayin'.

navyman8903 · December 19th, 2009, 09:36 PM

I think 1hp for every 10 pounds equals mid to low 12's correct?

Mickey · December 19th, 2009, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by TheUNZippee!

Mickey if the current S197 weighs 3500 pounds, and the 2011 version weighs 3700 pounds, that does not convert 412 horsepower to the equivalent of 350.

When figuring out this differential, the common accepted rough method for calculating power vs weight is 10 hp per 100 lbs.

So if the 2011 is indeed 200 pound heavier, it's more like 390-395 horsepower in a 3500 lb S197. Not 350.

Just sayin'.

just wait and see...guarantee the new stang wont be putting down the 1/4 mile et's expected at its power level...doubt it will even be quicker than 12.6's..

navyman8903 · December 19th, 2009, 10:11 PM

^eeeew....you are prolly correct though....

Smoothgrandmama · December 19th, 2009, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Mickey

just wait and see...guarantee the new stang wont be putting down the 1/4 mile et's expected at its power level...doubt it will even be quicker than 12.6's..

Do you want it to be quicker than that? I dont wanna see a bunch of punks in 12 sec cars. . . .
Besides i like to mod my cars just give it potential. Im expecting a 12.8 car.

Grabber523 · December 20th, 2009, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by Smoothgrandmama

Do you want it to be quicker than that? I dont wanna see a bunch of punks in 12 sec cars. . . .
Besides i like to mod my cars just give it potential. Im expecting a 12.8 car.

+1,000,000 there are already too many of these little fuckers in 16 second cars participting in a bunch of buffonery and shenanigans...

tbird88tbo · December 20th, 2009, 12:29 AM

tbird88tbo · December 20th, 2009, 12:31 AM

when will the "lets make it faster from the factory" insanity every end. In my opinion if they really wanted to give it to the competition they would build a car with less power that would out perform it.

tbird88tbo · December 20th, 2009, 12:38 AM

The power battle from the 70's came to an end with all the new emission standards starting. I had really hoped that this "ecconomic crisis" would have ended the power battle for the 2000's.

fdjizm · December 20th, 2009, 09:21 PM

Fellas, the MT82 6 speed tranny is 4lbs lighter than the TR3650 FYI

Smoothgrandmama · December 20th, 2009, 09:33 PM

I expect the curb weight to be within 50-100 of the 2011 models

03_StangGuy · December 21st, 2009, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by navyman8903

I think 1hp for every 10 pounds equals mid to low 12's correct?

I dunno know bout that, traction and gearing play a big part too.

Originally Posted by tbird88tbo

The power battle from the 70's came to an end with all the new emission standards starting. I had really hoped that this "ecconomic crisis" would have ended the power battle for the 2000's.

What wouldnt you want to see more power?

tbi0904 · December 21st, 2009, 03:28 PM

On factory tires and suspension it probably won't hook for shit...which should be expected from any 400hp car in the 30k range. As far as weight, idk, it's still an S197. Fdjizm stated the tranny is actually lighter by a tick and everything I've read indicates the Coyote's weight is very similar to the 4.6 (maybe a tad lighter, too). If the powertrain doesn't and much weight than it should weigh roughly the same as a 2010.

mazdaslo6 · December 21st, 2009, 08:48 PM

I am going to say if it does weight more than its because of the extra frame support to handle the upped ponies! not to mention that it may also have bigger tires from the factory inturn having more weight.
im just excited about the news my sales guy gave me today on email check it out

"Trust though that even though the rebates are $1650 on the 2011 ! if you get put into a 2011 at a 2010 price you will be a winner! Either way , just make up your mind and sit tight and let me do the work on this"

03_StangGuy · December 21st, 2009, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by tbi0904

On factory tires and suspension it probably won't hook for shit...which should be expected from any 400hp car in the 30k range. As far as weight, idk, it's still an S197. Fdjizm stated the tranny is actually lighter by a tick and everything I've read indicates the Coyote's weight is very similar to the 4.6 (maybe a tad lighter, too). If the powertrain doesn't and much weight than it should weigh roughly the same as a 2010.

I dunno bout the traction control on the 05 and ups but on my 03 its less than desirable, so maybe thatll change with 400 ponies. But the camaro can put some decent power and the GT500 manages sorta so theres hope. But what would a mustang be if it didnt need any work? beside being 50k+

Grabber523 · December 21st, 2009, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by mazdaslo6

I am going to say if it does weight more than its because of the extra frame support to handle the upped ponies! not to mention that it may also have bigger tires from the factory inturn having more weight.
im just excited about the news my sales guy gave me today on email check it out

"Trust though that even though the rebates are $1650 on the 2011 ! if you get put into a 2011 at a 2010 price you will be a winner! Either way , just make up your mind and sit tight and let me do the work on this"

Are you serious? The 07+ S197 chassis in the V6, GT, and GT500 are EXACTLY the same. You really think Ford is going to brace up this chassis for a 400 h.p. engine when they've already put a "540" h.p. powerplant in it? Gimme a break...

tbi0904 · December 21st, 2009, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by 03_StangGuy

I dunno bout the traction control on the 05 and ups but on my 03 its less than desirable, so maybe thatll change with 400 ponies. But the camaro can put some decent power and the GT500 manages sorta so theres hope. But what would a mustang be if it didnt need any work? beside being 50k+

It sucks...but nothing some control arms and a good set of rubber can't fix!

03_StangGuy · December 22nd, 2009, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Grabber523

Are you serious? The 07+ S197 chassis in the V6, GT, and GT500 are EXACTLY the same. You really think Ford is going to brace up this chassis for a 400 h.p. engine when they've already put a "540" h.p. powerplant in it? Gimme a break...

Thats an excellent point I wasnt even thinking bout, they already have a 540hp version of this the 2010 mustang so 400hp is not big deal.

Originally Posted by tbi0904

It sucks...but nothing some control arms and a good set of rubber can't fix!

My point exactly a grand or so and youll be all set.

December 19th, 2009, 05:26 PM	#41
hamish Regular 2006 gt Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: B.C. Posts: 159 iTrader: 0 reviews	Just more rumours off the internet.....I read possible aluminum block? __________________ Saleen Supershaker

December 19th, 2009, 06:18 PM	#42
Mach Boy MM's Orangest 2004 Mach 1 Mustang Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indy Posts: 2,820 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 1 reviews	An aluminum block is all I have seen. They will probably up the boost too. Even if the new GT costs 38k it doesn't take a mathematician to figure out that a new GT with the cost of a blower is going to be less than a Shelby and make a lot more power. The question is, how much did they upgrade the internals? __________________ 360HP / 345TQ N/A

December 19th, 2009, 06:20 PM	#43
TheUNZippee! Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 61,816 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	Mickey if the current S197 weighs 3500 pounds, and the 2011 version weighs 3700 pounds, that does not convert 412 horsepower to the equivalent of 350. When figuring out this differential, the common accepted rough method for calculating power vs weight is 10 hp per 100 lbs. So if the 2011 is indeed 200 pound heavier, it's more like 390-395 horsepower in a 3500 lb S197. Not 350. Just sayin'. __________________

December 20th, 2009, 09:21 PM	#52
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December 20th, 2009, 12:31 AM	#50
tbird88tbo Regular 1998 Mustang Base Model Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 109 iTrader: 0 reviews	when will the "lets make it faster from the factory" insanity every end. In my opinion if they really wanted to give it to the competition they would build a car with less power that would out perform it.

December 20th, 2009, 12:38 AM	#51
tbird88tbo Regular 1998 Mustang Base Model Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 109 iTrader: 0 reviews	The power battle from the 70's came to an end with all the new emission standards starting. I had really hoped that this "ecconomic crisis" would have ended the power battle for the 2000's.

December 21st, 2009, 03:28 PM	#55
tbi0904 Regular 2008 Mustang GT 11.65@122 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Huntley, Il. Posts: 418 iTrader: 0 reviews	On factory tires and suspension it probably won't hook for shit...which should be expected from any 400hp car in the 30k range. As far as weight, idk, it's still an S197. Fdjizm stated the tranny is actually lighter by a tick and everything I've read indicates the Coyote's weight is very similar to the 4.6 (maybe a tad lighter, too). If the powertrain doesn't and much weight than it should weigh roughly the same as a 2010. __________________ Whipple and stuff

December 21st, 2009, 08:48 PM	#56
mazdaslo6 Regular 2011 mustang GT 5.0(blk) faster than camero Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lake city FL Posts: 99 iTrader: 0 reviews	I am going to say if it does weight more than its because of the extra frame support to handle the upped ponies! not to mention that it may also have bigger tires from the factory inturn having more weight. im just excited about the news my sales guy gave me today on email check it out "Trust though that even though the rebates are $1650 on the 2011 ! if you get put into a 2011 at a 2010 price you will be a winner! Either way , just make up your mind and sit tight and let me do the work on this"

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