Team Z vs Baseline

C MY 4D · March 1st, 2009, 11:45 AM

Racing season is approaching fast and I still haven't finished my rear suspension. I have heard great things about both companies and am not sure which one to go with. Have any of you had any experience with either one? I plan on using either one of their relocated upper control arms. Which one will hold up the best on a daily driven car? My locker is hell on rear suspension parts.

C MY 4D · March 2nd, 2009, 01:12 AM

Still nobody here runs this stuff?

ReverendDexter · March 2nd, 2009, 01:44 AM

Sorry man, all my Mustang suspension knowledge revolves around the straight axle. Maybe Jazzer knows more about the IRS?

Black Bullitt · March 2nd, 2009, 01:46 AM

C MY 4D, is running a solid axle. He swapped it out along time ago.

Sorry, brother, I've never heard of either one before. Good luck with it.

ReverendDexter · March 2nd, 2009, 01:52 AM

In that case my suggestion is always to get rid of the stock 4-link setup for something that doesn't totally suck. I know guys are running good times on the 4-link, but you're fighting an uphill battle.

Of course, converting to a 3-link is much more expensive up front, might be cheaper in the long run if you're continually breaking stuff, though.

Myself, I'd be looking really hard at a Griggs heavy-duty torque arm setup.

C MY 4D · March 2nd, 2009, 07:54 AM

Torque arms don't like a lot of torque.

I already know what I want to run, just wanted to see if anyone has ran it on the street for any amount of time.

JayC · March 2nd, 2009, 08:37 PM

Get over the the Corral and send KEVIN$ a PM. He's the owner of Baseline Suspension. He will explain everything and be very helpful in setting everything up. Or go to....

BaselineSuspensions.com.........Launching A Drag Car

C MY 4D · March 2nd, 2009, 09:11 PM

I have spoke with Kevin before.

I'm just trying to see how they have been holding up on street cars. More than likely I'll go with baseline, just wanted to hear some opinions before I order.

ReverendDexter · March 2nd, 2009, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by C MY 4D

Torque arms don't like a lot of torque. I already know what I want to run, just wanted to see if anyone has ran it on the street for any amount of time.

Really? I'd love to hear more about that, as I've never heard about any such issues.

C MY 4D · March 2nd, 2009, 09:22 PM

MM's HD torque arm is only rated for 451 lb-ft at the wheels with 4.10 gears. When launching with slicks they like to bend due to axle wrap.

C MY 4D · March 2nd, 2009, 09:28 PM

Now don't get me wrong a torque arm setup is far superior to the stock 4 link when in the twisties but the stock style 4 link is used in outlaw and drag radial classes every weekend.

YouTube - Dave Hance First 6 Sec Drag Radial Pass

ReverendDexter · March 2nd, 2009, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by C MY 4D

MM's HD torque arm is only rated for 451 lb-ft at the wheels with 4.10 gears. When launching with slicks they like to bend due to axle wrap.

MM's stuff is also geared for the high-performance street crowd, and is compromised as such (this isn't a bad thing, necessarily). How do Camaros pull it off? They've been torque-arm from the factory at least through the LS1 and LT1 cars, if not prior to that. This isnt' me trying to allude to anything, I know nothing about Camaro suspension other than basic from-the-factory design.

Have you talked to Bruce Griggs? Everything he makes is full-blown race parts.

And yes, I'm aware the 4-link is used in some *very* fast cars, however I've got strong suspicions that those setups are not using the stock geometry. As I'm sure you're very aware, there's a big difference between the Mustang triangulated 4-link and the parellel 4-link found in other cars.

C MY 4D · March 2nd, 2009, 09:54 PM

The whole point of the of the relocated uppers is to help fix the shitty geometry in the rear of the car.

PapaSmurf · March 2nd, 2009, 10:27 PM

ive heard great things about baseline

March 1st, 2009, 11:45 AM	#1
C MY 4D Billy Weston 2003 Cobra 11.14@124.36 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 4,794 iTrader: 7 reviews	Team Z vs Baseline Racing season is approaching fast and I still haven't finished my rear suspension. I have heard great things about both companies and am not sure which one to go with. Have any of you had any experience with either one? I plan on using either one of their relocated upper control arms. Which one will hold up the best on a daily driven car? My locker is hell on rear suspension parts. __________________ TT Build in progress....... Need work done to your car for a great price in Hampton Roads? Shoot me a PM.

March 2nd, 2009, 01:12 AM	#2
C MY 4D Billy Weston 2003 Cobra 11.14@124.36 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 4,794 iTrader: 7 reviews	Still nobody here runs this stuff? __________________ TT Build in progress....... Need work done to your car for a great price in Hampton Roads? Shoot me a PM.

March 2nd, 2009, 01:44 AM	#3
ReverendDexter Priest of the Car Gods Clapped-out '90 GT 'vert ~5.5 seconds off TTOD :( Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 13,233 iTrader: 0 reviews	Sorry man, all my Mustang suspension knowledge revolves around the straight axle. Maybe Jazzer knows more about the IRS? __________________ O o /¯/______________________ \|BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!! \_\ Buy my Bronco, special deal for MM folks

March 2nd, 2009, 01:52 AM	#5
ReverendDexter Priest of the Car Gods Clapped-out '90 GT 'vert ~5.5 seconds off TTOD :( Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 13,233 iTrader: 0 reviews	In that case my suggestion is always to get rid of the stock 4-link setup for something that doesn't totally suck. I know guys are running good times on the 4-link, but you're fighting an uphill battle. Of course, converting to a 3-link is much more expensive up front, might be cheaper in the long run if you're continually breaking stuff, though. Myself, I'd be looking really hard at a Griggs heavy-duty torque arm setup. __________________ O o /¯/______________________ \|BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!! \_\ Buy my Bronco, special deal for MM folks

March 2nd, 2009, 07:54 AM	#6
C MY 4D Billy Weston 2003 Cobra 11.14@124.36 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 4,794 iTrader: 7 reviews	Torque arms don't like a lot of torque. I already know what I want to run, just wanted to see if anyone has ran it on the street for any amount of time. __________________ TT Build in progress....... Need work done to your car for a great price in Hampton Roads? Shoot me a PM.

March 2nd, 2009, 09:11 PM	#8
C MY 4D Billy Weston 2003 Cobra 11.14@124.36 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 4,794 iTrader: 7 reviews	I have spoke with Kevin before. I'm just trying to see how they have been holding up on street cars. More than likely I'll go with baseline, just wanted to hear some opinions before I order. __________________ TT Build in progress....... Need work done to your car for a great price in Hampton Roads? Shoot me a PM.

March 2nd, 2009, 09:22 PM	#10
C MY 4D Billy Weston 2003 Cobra 11.14@124.36 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 4,794 iTrader: 7 reviews	MM's HD torque arm is only rated for 451 lb-ft at the wheels with 4.10 gears. When launching with slicks they like to bend due to axle wrap. __________________ TT Build in progress....... Need work done to your car for a great price in Hampton Roads? Shoot me a PM.

March 2nd, 2009, 09:54 PM	#13
C MY 4D Billy Weston 2003 Cobra 11.14@124.36 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 4,794 iTrader: 7 reviews	The whole point of the of the relocated uppers is to help fix the shitty geometry in the rear of the car. __________________ TT Build in progress....... Need work done to your car for a great price in Hampton Roads? Shoot me a PM.

March 2nd, 2009, 10:27 PM	#14
PapaSmurf Hardcore Enthusiast 2003 Mustang GT 12.28 @ 116 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 2,474 iTrader: 11 reviews	ive heard great things about baseline __________________ 2003 Sonic Blue GT---SLP Longtubes, SLP X, Magnaflow Magnapack CB, 75mm TB/Plenum, MP2 Performance stage 2 heads, MHS Stage 3R cams, Built rear w/4.30's

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