2009 Summer Mach1 Build

Techniq · July 12th, 2009, 11:14 AM

After blowing the motor back in January I decided to just go ahead a build the car since I was going to be tearing the the engine apart anyways for repairs. Well for starters I want to get rid of the stock block and pick up something with forged internals. Along with this putting an Eaton on as well. Well already ran into one "oh shit". But decided to work through it. All in all Im trying to keep the build under $8,000.00 If I can. I also shied away from the Teskid block because I don't really like getting things used ( unless I need to). Well here is the basic list as of now. Hope all seems well if not let me know. Don't want another "oh shit".

Current Mods:
-BBK Longtube Headers
-BBK O/R X Pipes
-Magnaflow Cats
-BBK Twin 65mm Throttle Body
-SCT Livewire Flash Tuner

And To Come:

-Forged 5.0 Demon Block(Fully Upgraded)
4.6L Ford Forged Short Block at HaneyMotorsport

-Edelbrock 60lb Fuel Injectors
Edelbrock High Performance Fuel Injectors - 60 lb at AmericanMuscle.com - Free Shipping!

-Haven't Found Fuel Pump I'm happy with

-JLT Cold Air Intake
2003-2004 Mach 1 JLT True Cold Air Intake

-SCT Big Air 90mm MAF Meter
SCT BA-2600 Mustang Big Air 90MM MAF Meter (96-04 GT, Cobra, and Mach 1) at AmericanMuscle.com - Free Shipping!

-Ford Aluminum Driveshaft
Ford FRPP 96-04 GT, 96-98 Cobra, and 03-04 Mach1 Aluminum Driveshaft at AmericanMuscle.com - Free Shipping!

-Ford 4.10's Motive Gears
Ford Mustang 4.10 Gears at AmericanMuscle.com - Free Shipping!

-Eaton SuperCharger

This is just a quick write-up of what I have in idea ATM. I'm sure some ideas will change but just need opinions ( I don't wanna be attacked either) and advice. Also I have been made aware that the Eaton swap requires additional parts. Main concern is that just want to make sure these parts will work harmoniously. Thanks!

MSTWNTD · July 12th, 2009, 02:23 PM

What is the intended use use of the car? If you want a street car a built engine with an eaton and the stock 3.55s is enough. If you want to drag race it then I would skip the eaton and build the rear. It won't be reliable with the stock engine let alone a supercharger. Knowing it will stay together allows you to have more fun at the track. If you just ride around town and don't run it hard often the eaton will provide more excitement.

Techniq · July 12th, 2009, 02:30 PM

It's intended use is for street right now. I wanted something to where in the future upgrades can be made.

Mach Boy · July 12th, 2009, 05:20 PM

You'll want to upgrade your fuel pump as well to either a Focus pump or GT pump (preferred). Just a question, but why the Eaton? Unless you get a good deal on a used Eaton swap it's going to cost about as much as a new kit. And you'll be limited on your HP with the Eaton. If that's what you want to do just to do it then cool, but you can be making a lot more power with a different S/C for just a little more cash.

MSTWNTD · July 12th, 2009, 06:21 PM

I would keep a lookout for a used procharger kit. Less parts and not as involved as the eaton and a lot more upgradeable.

Reloaded · July 12th, 2009, 07:48 PM

Check out these injectors: Siemens Deka 63lb/hr USCAR Injectors (Set of 8) (Flow Matched) [LU107FM-8] - $399.00 : Performance Parts - Ford Mustang - Cobra - Dodge Viper - Chevy Corvette - C6 - LS1

Those are the injectors I'm currently running. 63lb injectors and they're flowmatched. And cheaper than the ones you have listed. I know plenty of people that are running this brand of injector. For the fuel pump setup, if you have the cash I'd look into Fore. Check out lethalperformance.com and look at their fuel setups. Very nice stuff.

As for the intake, it looks like you have one listed for a Mach 1? But if you're doing the Eaton swap, you're going to need an intake for a Cobra. I'm running the JLT high boost intake, but I'll tell you right now it's a bitch to install. You may want to look at the ram air intake for the Cobra. a lot of tuners have mentioned that it's easier to tune with and is much easier to install.

futureMACH1racer · July 13th, 2009, 09:14 AM

Go with a the KB, don't waste your time with the Eaton. I mean you could spray the car, and get over 600rwhp, but you're limited with the eaton.

Techniq · July 13th, 2009, 10:30 AM

^^^ It's beginning to look this way. But spray I really don't wanna mess with.

Fluffy The Rhino · July 13th, 2009, 12:33 PM

If you wantt o keep it under $8k and build your engine, I see why you'd go with the eaton. IF you have the ability to spend more, go with something stronger : )

Techniq · July 15th, 2009, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by FluffyTheRhino

If you wantt o keep it under $8k and build your engine, I see why you'd go with the eaton. IF you have the ability to spend more, go with something stronger : )

Decided to abandon the Eaton Idea. And go with something better. Been looking around and Not sure if I wanna go supercharged or turbo. Hellion sells a single turbo kit for around $6k basic. I did take a look at the Kenne Bell kits and well for some reason I don't seem happy with it. Someone throw me a sales pitch...lol.

On another note, contacted Haney Motorsports yesterday. As far as the block is concerned all looks good. The Rep said its pretty much pull everything off the old block and put onto the one. They make it sound so simple. Now this block runs a lower CR than the stock block. around 9:1 instead of the Stock 10:1 and is rated for 700rwhp- 800rwhp. Personally never plan to go that high.

Reloaded · July 15th, 2009, 03:25 PM

What about the Kenne Bell doesn't "make you happy"? The Mach kit is a 2.1 correct? What kind of HP numbers are you looking for when all is said and done?

futureMACH1racer · July 15th, 2009, 03:26 PM

Spray is better! I love Nitrous, and highly reccomend it.

Techniq · July 15th, 2009, 03:28 PM

I'm looking for around 450 to 500rwhp for now.

Techniq · July 15th, 2009, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by futureMACH1racer

Spray is better! I love Nitrous, and highly reccomend it.

To be honest my Ignorance about spray leaves me scared.

Techniq · July 15th, 2009, 04:28 PM

** TB1000-MACH+ KIT 140 $6399.00 16-20 PSI KIT W/AC (MACH 1) INTERCOOLED INCLUDES BOOST-A-PUMP, 2.1L
(Recommend '03 Cobra style rods & pistons. 8 rib system required for 650-700+HP. Use 60lb injectors and Big Oval Throttle Body)

^ I'm liken this

99blkcobra · July 15th, 2009, 04:31 PM

why so many people scard to use nitrous??
i havent tried it but it right next to me

futureMACH1racer · July 15th, 2009, 04:51 PM

I was successful with my nitrous setup. It's like anything else, you just have to do it right. The room for error might be smaller, but it's the best bang for the buck. I like the way a nitrous motor pulls compared to a boosted car.

Techniq · July 15th, 2009, 05:31 PM

I'd rather not consider spray for the time being.

YLDHORSE · July 17th, 2009, 06:00 PM

Good luck on your build.

Techniq · July 28th, 2009, 03:11 PM

Okay, Just ordered the block, still waiting on the call back to give the specifics. Although I shoulda pull the trigger earlier I didn't. Just wanted to be sure.

HMS RACE DEMON 4.6L 2V/4V Stroker Modular Ford Short Block

Comes fully assembled with all brand new components- New Ford iron blueprinted block, ARP main studs, performance tri metal rod and main bearings, custom USA 4340 forged 8 bolt Stroker crankshaft, HMS Specific 4340 forged H-beam rods with ARP 8740 capscrew bolts, custom Probe Forged 2618 t-61 Aluminum alloy pistons and Full floating lightweight wrist pins and spiro locks for durability. We offer this 5.0L STROKER short block for both forced induction (supercharged / turbo) or naturally aspirated / nos set ups.

*HMS/KCS 4340 forged Steel 3.75" Stroke Crankshaft

*HMS 4340 forged steel H-beam 6.00" connecting
rods with ARP cap screw bolts, bushed ends

*Probe 2618 forged dish pistons STD-.020 bore

*HMS specific Performance endurance
ductile iron plasma-moly rings

*Clevite77 Rod and Main Bearings

*Blueprinted, Assembled and internally balanced

July 12th, 2009, 11:14 AM	#1
Techniq Regular 2004 Mustang Mach 1 Will Run After Build! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 364 iTrader: 0 reviews	2009 Summer Mach1 Build After blowing the motor back in January I decided to just go ahead a build the car since I was going to be tearing the the engine apart anyways for repairs. Well for starters I want to get rid of the stock block and pick up something with forged internals. Along with this putting an Eaton on as well. Well already ran into one "oh shit". But decided to work through it. All in all Im trying to keep the build under $8,000.00 If I can. I also shied away from the Teskid block because I don't really like getting things used ( unless I need to). Well here is the basic list as of now. Hope all seems well if not let me know. Don't want another "oh shit". Current Mods: -BBK Longtube Headers -BBK O/R X Pipes -Magnaflow Cats -BBK Twin 65mm Throttle Body -SCT Livewire Flash Tuner And To Come: -Forged 5.0 Demon Block(Fully Upgraded) 4.6L Ford Forged Short Block at HaneyMotorsport -Edelbrock 60lb Fuel Injectors Edelbrock High Performance Fuel Injectors - 60 lb at AmericanMuscle.com - Free Shipping! -Haven't Found Fuel Pump I'm happy with -JLT Cold Air Intake 2003-2004 Mach 1 JLT True Cold Air Intake -SCT Big Air 90mm MAF Meter SCT BA-2600 Mustang Big Air 90MM MAF Meter (96-04 GT, Cobra, and Mach 1) at AmericanMuscle.com - Free Shipping! -Ford Aluminum Driveshaft Ford FRPP 96-04 GT, 96-98 Cobra, and 03-04 Mach1 Aluminum Driveshaft at AmericanMuscle.com - Free Shipping! -Ford 4.10's Motive Gears Ford Mustang 4.10 Gears at AmericanMuscle.com - Free Shipping! -Eaton SuperCharger This is just a quick write-up of what I have in idea ATM. I'm sure some ideas will change but just need opinions ( I don't wanna be attacked either) and advice. Also I have been made aware that the Eaton swap requires additional parts. Main concern is that just want to make sure these parts will work harmoniously. Thanks! __________________ 5.0L Cast Iron block/Forged internals-Melling Oil Pump w/Billet Gears-BBK Twin 65mm Throttle Body-BBK Longtube Headers-BBK O/R "x" Pipe- Maganflow Cats-B&M Sport Short Throw-Eibach Drag-Launch Springs-And Some More...Hope to run new set-up soon.

July 12th, 2009, 02:23 PM	#2
MSTWNTD Newbie 2004 Mustang Mach1 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Farmville, VA Posts: 43 iTrader: 0 reviews	What is the intended use use of the car? If you want a street car a built engine with an eaton and the stock 3.55s is enough. If you want to drag race it then I would skip the eaton and build the rear. It won't be reliable with the stock engine let alone a supercharger. Knowing it will stay together allows you to have more fun at the track. If you just ride around town and don't run it hard often the eaton will provide more excitement. __________________ 2004 Mach1 I like to call Constant Bind

July 12th, 2009, 02:30 PM	#3
Techniq Regular 2004 Mustang Mach 1 Will Run After Build! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 364 iTrader: 0 reviews	It's intended use is for street right now. I wanted something to where in the future upgrades can be made. __________________ 5.0L Cast Iron block/Forged internals-Melling Oil Pump w/Billet Gears-BBK Twin 65mm Throttle Body-BBK Longtube Headers-BBK O/R "x" Pipe- Maganflow Cats-B&M Sport Short Throw-Eibach Drag-Launch Springs-And Some More...Hope to run new set-up soon.

July 12th, 2009, 05:20 PM	#4
Mach Boy MM's Orangest 2004 Mach 1 Mustang Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indy Posts: 2,846 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 1 reviews	You'll want to upgrade your fuel pump as well to either a Focus pump or GT pump (preferred). Just a question, but why the Eaton? Unless you get a good deal on a used Eaton swap it's going to cost about as much as a new kit. And you'll be limited on your HP with the Eaton. If that's what you want to do just to do it then cool, but you can be making a lot more power with a different S/C for just a little more cash. __________________ Looking for 03/04 4V ABS Wiring Harness Connector/Incomplete Wiring Harness (with ABS connector)

July 12th, 2009, 06:21 PM	#5
MSTWNTD Newbie 2004 Mustang Mach1 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Farmville, VA Posts: 43 iTrader: 0 reviews	I would keep a lookout for a used procharger kit. Less parts and not as involved as the eaton and a lot more upgradeable. __________________ 2004 Mach1 I like to call Constant Bind

July 13th, 2009, 09:14 AM	#7
futureMACH1racer I.D.G.A.F. 2009 John Deere 9670 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: United States of America Posts: 11,346 iTrader: 0 reviews	Go with a the KB, don't waste your time with the Eaton. I mean you could spray the car, and get over 600rwhp, but you're limited with the eaton. __________________ RIP Travis Bilings 5/6/1982-7/5/2011 Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

July 13th, 2009, 10:30 AM	#8
Techniq Regular 2004 Mustang Mach 1 Will Run After Build! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 364 iTrader: 0 reviews	^^^ It's beginning to look this way. But spray I really don't wanna mess with. __________________ 5.0L Cast Iron block/Forged internals-Melling Oil Pump w/Billet Gears-BBK Twin 65mm Throttle Body-BBK Longtube Headers-BBK O/R "x" Pipe- Maganflow Cats-B&M Sport Short Throw-Eibach Drag-Launch Springs-And Some More...Hope to run new set-up soon.

July 13th, 2009, 12:33 PM	#9
Fluffy The Rhino Bearer of Bad News I has mustang and legacy. Slower than my Ruger. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Fuckening Posts: 2,377 iTrader: 0 reviews	If you wantt o keep it under $8k and build your engine, I see why you'd go with the eaton. IF you have the ability to spend more, go with something stronger : ) __________________ ~MOD NUTSWINGER~ My Tongue Soothes Razorburn STOPSAYINGFAIL.COM EVERY FART IS A GAMBLE Just Think Of Me As A White Blood Cell.

July 15th, 2009, 03:26 PM	#12
futureMACH1racer I.D.G.A.F. 2009 John Deere 9670 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: United States of America Posts: 11,346 iTrader: 0 reviews	Spray is better! I love Nitrous, and highly reccomend it. __________________ RIP Travis Bilings 5/6/1982-7/5/2011 Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

July 15th, 2009, 03:28 PM	#13
Techniq Regular 2004 Mustang Mach 1 Will Run After Build! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 364 iTrader: 0 reviews	I'm looking for around 450 to 500rwhp for now. __________________ 5.0L Cast Iron block/Forged internals-Melling Oil Pump w/Billet Gears-BBK Twin 65mm Throttle Body-BBK Longtube Headers-BBK O/R "x" Pipe- Maganflow Cats-B&M Sport Short Throw-Eibach Drag-Launch Springs-And Some More...Hope to run new set-up soon.

July 15th, 2009, 04:28 PM	#15
Techniq Regular 2004 Mustang Mach 1 Will Run After Build! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 364 iTrader: 0 reviews	** TB1000-MACH+ KIT 140 $6399.00 16-20 PSI KIT W/AC (MACH 1) INTERCOOLED INCLUDES BOOST-A-PUMP, 2.1L (Recommend '03 Cobra style rods & pistons. 8 rib system required for 650-700+HP. Use 60lb injectors and Big Oval Throttle Body) ^ I'm liken this __________________ 5.0L Cast Iron block/Forged internals-Melling Oil Pump w/Billet Gears-BBK Twin 65mm Throttle Body-BBK Longtube Headers-BBK O/R "x" Pipe- Maganflow Cats-B&M Sport Short Throw-Eibach Drag-Launch Springs-And Some More...Hope to run new set-up soon.

July 15th, 2009, 04:31 PM	#16
99blkcobra Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 cobra Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,741 iTrader: 2 reviews	why so many people scard to use nitrous?? i havent tried it but it right next to me __________________ 1999 Mustang Cobra (rebuilding, someday...) 1996 civic dd [/SIZE] MM Cobra Club #3

July 15th, 2009, 04:51 PM	#17
futureMACH1racer I.D.G.A.F. 2009 John Deere 9670 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: United States of America Posts: 11,346 iTrader: 0 reviews	I was successful with my nitrous setup. It's like anything else, you just have to do it right. The room for error might be smaller, but it's the best bang for the buck. I like the way a nitrous motor pulls compared to a boosted car. __________________ RIP Travis Bilings 5/6/1982-7/5/2011 Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

July 15th, 2009, 05:31 PM	#18
Techniq Regular 2004 Mustang Mach 1 Will Run After Build! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 364 iTrader: 0 reviews	I'd rather not consider spray for the time being. __________________ 5.0L Cast Iron block/Forged internals-Melling Oil Pump w/Billet Gears-BBK Twin 65mm Throttle Body-BBK Longtube Headers-BBK O/R "x" Pipe- Maganflow Cats-B&M Sport Short Throw-Eibach Drag-Launch Springs-And Some More...Hope to run new set-up soon.

July 17th, 2009, 06:00 PM	#19
YLDHORSE Newbie Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 32 iTrader: 0 reviews	Good luck on your build.

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July 28th, 2009, 03:11 PM	#20
Techniq Regular 2004 Mustang Mach 1 Will Run After Build! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 364 iTrader: 0 reviews	Okay, Just ordered the block, still waiting on the call back to give the specifics. Although I shoulda pull the trigger earlier I didn't. Just wanted to be sure. HMS RACE DEMON 4.6L 2V/4V Stroker Modular Ford Short Block Comes fully assembled with all brand new components- New Ford iron blueprinted block, ARP main studs, performance tri metal rod and main bearings, custom USA 4340 forged 8 bolt Stroker crankshaft, HMS Specific 4340 forged H-beam rods with ARP 8740 capscrew bolts, custom Probe Forged 2618 t-61 Aluminum alloy pistons and Full floating lightweight wrist pins and spiro locks for durability. We offer this 5.0L STROKER short block for both forced induction (supercharged / turbo) or naturally aspirated / nos set ups. HMS/KCS 4340 forged Steel 3.75" Stroke Crankshaft HMS 4340 forged steel H-beam 6.00" connecting rods with ARP cap screw bolts, bushed ends Probe 2618 forged dish pistons STD-.020 bore HMS specific Performance endurance ductile iron plasma-moly rings Clevite77 Rod and Main Bearings Blueprinted, Assembled and internally balanced __________________ 5.0L Cast Iron block/Forged internals-Melling Oil Pump w/Billet Gears-BBK Twin 65mm Throttle Body-BBK Longtube Headers-BBK O/R "x" Pipe- Maganflow Cats-B&M Sport Short Throw-Eibach Drag-Launch Springs-And Some More...Hope to run new set-up soon.

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