stupid timing chain

SWEET2KSTANG · August 20th, 2009, 12:56 PM

at the request of machboy, i went and got his car because something messed up. got it out this morning, and found the culprit. a broken secondary chain, and did some damage to the head as well. there are couple scared journals, 1 cam cap is broke in 3 pieces, one cap is completely missing a piece (looks like an old injury), and 2 cracks as well in 2 of the caps. this motor has been out before, it might be a different motor that what came in it. whoever did the work on it, i would like to find them and kick them strait in the nuts. some pics:

Mach Boy · August 20th, 2009, 01:11 PM

Thanks for all the help Mike.

Traidmarx · August 20th, 2009, 01:20 PM

damn same thing just happend to my friend with his 97 cobra...put an 01 motor in it...and found out the timing chain broke...got it fixed and less than a month later it broke again..he got pissed and sold the whole car for 2500

SWEET2KSTANG · August 20th, 2009, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Mach Boy

Thanks for all the help Mike.

not a problem man

Originally Posted by Traidmarx

damn same thing just happend to my friend with his 97 cobra...put an 01 motor in it...and found out the timing chain broke...got it fixed and less than a month later it broke again..he got pissed and sold the whole car for 2500

that sucks. there have been several people this year that have had this issue.

PapaSmurf · August 20th, 2009, 01:41 PM

That sucks. Sorry to hear machboy....youre in good hands though with Mike-Norris doing the job

97mustanggt · August 20th, 2009, 03:20 PM

thats y i dont like racing, fear of something happening to my motor, its all fun and games till u hear metal against metal in ur engine...i freaked out when i had a exhaust i couldnt wate to fix it, i could only imagine an internal engine problem....good luck wit ur car bro.

Lefty · August 20th, 2009, 03:53 PM

Holy shit

mrbigjeep · August 20th, 2009, 04:47 PM

dang your quite the mechanic. or at least it seems to me

what do u do for a living.

Fluffy The Rhino · August 20th, 2009, 06:29 PM

That sucks. My timing kit needed to be replaced recently as well. My chains were ok, but one of my guide rails broke. It's still in my oil pan somewhere. NOT a fun job at all.

SWEET2KSTANG · August 20th, 2009, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by mrbigjeep

dang your quite the mechanic. or at least it seems to me

what do u do for a living.

me?

mrbigjeep · August 20th, 2009, 10:31 PM

yeah

SWEET2KSTANG · August 20th, 2009, 10:40 PM

right now i work over nights at glad. i trying to get things lined out to maybe open my own shop soon. if things go well, i might be able to do it in a couple months.

wraitherx · August 21st, 2009, 11:30 AM

damn. my tensioner arm went out as well recently and just replaced everything. good luck with. Oh, Sweet, if you need any part #'s let me know cause I still have all the baggies for all the timing components with the part #'s

SWEET2KSTANG · August 21st, 2009, 03:05 PM

right now i have to figure out who does align honing on these heads.

99blkcobra · August 22nd, 2009, 02:10 AM

yeap i did timing on my car too, but have other opinion than other people. I thought doing my timing was fun not lookin forward to do it on my car but wouldnt mind doin it on another car.

now i need to learn how to install cams and learn how to p&p

and sorry about the car sucks not driving, good luck with it

SWEET2KSTANG · August 22nd, 2009, 02:44 AM

i have already ported the t/b , top hat, and top of lower manifold. i will be doing bottom half of the lower manifold, and a "stage 1" port job on the heads as well. not too sure about what other stuff he is ging to be putting in while we are here, but i guess i will find out soon enough.

99blkcobra · August 22nd, 2009, 04:10 AM

sucks i wish i could be doing all that stuff, the bottom stayin the same?

SWEET2KSTANG · August 22nd, 2009, 08:34 AM

as far as i know. i will be doing all new gaskets, there is oil all over the place in there.

Mach Boy · August 23rd, 2009, 03:18 PM

The rotating assembly will stay stock, but I'm going to replace the oil pump while we're in there. I might do some other stuff with the exhaust since it is messed up too, but it all comes down to how much getting the motor put back together will cost. Once I get a number on that I'll decide what to do with the exhaust.

TwistedRay · October 8th, 2009, 11:35 PM

I told Mach boy on the phone tonight who can do the line bore for him.
Just call 'em up and they can handle it.

FYI......a cracked cam bridge does occur and fairly often. MOST of the time it's from improper assy. of cams...............silly people wanting torque the cams down with the dang followers already in place instead of popping them in AFTER the cam bridge assy is torqued and free rotation of the cam is checked.

It's also NOT the death of your cam bridge assy if it is cracked or broken if it is still assembled. It can even still be used if you have it disassembled. You just have to be VERY careful in torquing to make sure it's in line and the cam can still turn freely. IT'S A PAIN IN THE AZZ THOUGH!

August 20th, 2009, 12:56 PM	#1
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,540 iTrader: 8 reviews	stupid timing chain at the request of machboy, i went and got his car because something messed up. got it out this morning, and found the culprit. a broken secondary chain, and did some damage to the head as well. there are couple scared journals, 1 cam cap is broke in 3 pieces, one cap is completely missing a piece (looks like an old injury), and 2 cracks as well in 2 of the caps. this motor has been out before, it might be a different motor that what came in it. whoever did the work on it, i would like to find them and kick them strait in the nuts. some pics: __________________ project warhorse under construction wagon burner under construction as well (04 lightning) being built by MP2 Performance

August 20th, 2009, 01:11 PM	#2
Mach Boy MM's Orangest 2004 Mach 1 Mustang Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indy Posts: 2,846 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 1 reviews	Thanks for all the help Mike. __________________ Looking for 03/04 4V ABS Wiring Harness Connector/Incomplete Wiring Harness (with ABS connector)

August 20th, 2009, 01:20 PM	#3
Traidmarx Hardcore Enthusiast 1995 Mustang GT SLOWER THAN OLD PEOPLE FUCK..:-( Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Roanoke,VA Posts: 2,075 iTrader: 0 reviews	damn same thing just happend to my friend with his 97 cobra...put an 01 motor in it...and found out the timing chain broke...got it fixed and less than a month later it broke again..he got pissed and sold the whole car for 2500 __________________ 1995 Mustang GT..4.30's,BBK Longtubes, Off Road X-Pipe,Magnaflow Catback,BBK Intake,BBK Underdrive Pulleys Walbro 255lph pump,accel dizzy,MSD Coil,MSD 8.5 Super Conductors,front sway bar removed, more coming soon.

August 20th, 2009, 01:41 PM	#5
PapaSmurf Hardcore Enthusiast 2003 Mustang GT 12.28 @ 116 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 2,554 iTrader: 13 reviews	That sucks. Sorry to hear machboy....youre in good hands though with Mike-Norris doing the job __________________ 2003 Sonic Blue GT---SLP Longtubes, SLP X, Magnaflow Magnapack CB, 75mm TB/Plenum, MP2 Performance stage 2 heads, MHS Stage 3R cams, Built rear w/4.30's

August 20th, 2009, 03:20 PM	#6
97mustanggt Hardcore Enthusiast 97GT & 97Snake & 00L T.B.A Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Richgrove, Ca Posts: 2,183 iTrader: 0 reviews	thats y i dont like racing, fear of something happening to my motor, its all fun and games till u hear metal against metal in ur engine...i freaked out when i had a exhaust i couldnt wate to fix it, i could only imagine an internal engine problem....good luck wit ur car bro. __________________ 97 Cobra & 00 Lightning Beauty & The Beast I rev next to hybrids so they can hear me kill the environment MM Cobra Club Member #77 MM Lightning Club Founder

August 20th, 2009, 03:53 PM	#7
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August 20th, 2009, 04:47 PM	#8
mrbigjeep I Post Entirely Way Too Much 04 mustang gt 7.21 @ 98 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: upstate sc Posts: 5,923 iTrader: 1 reviews	dang your quite the mechanic. or at least it seems to me what do u do for a living. __________________ cams + 150 shot

August 20th, 2009, 06:29 PM	#9
Fluffy The Rhino Bearer of Bad News I has mustang and legacy. Slower than my Ruger. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Fuckening Posts: 2,377 iTrader: 0 reviews	That sucks. My timing kit needed to be replaced recently as well. My chains were ok, but one of my guide rails broke. It's still in my oil pan somewhere. NOT a fun job at all. __________________ ~MOD NUTSWINGER~ My Tongue Soothes Razorburn STOPSAYINGFAIL.COM EVERY FART IS A GAMBLE Just Think Of Me As A White Blood Cell.

August 20th, 2009, 10:31 PM	#11
mrbigjeep I Post Entirely Way Too Much 04 mustang gt 7.21 @ 98 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: upstate sc Posts: 5,923 iTrader: 1 reviews	yeah __________________ cams + 150 shot

August 20th, 2009, 10:40 PM	#12
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,540 iTrader: 8 reviews	right now i work over nights at glad. i trying to get things lined out to maybe open my own shop soon. if things go well, i might be able to do it in a couple months. __________________ project warhorse under construction wagon burner under construction as well (04 lightning) being built by MP2 Performance

August 21st, 2009, 11:30 AM	#13
wraitherx Moderator '99 SVT Cobra Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 9,568 iTrader: 11 reviews	damn. my tensioner arm went out as well recently and just replaced everything. good luck with. Oh, Sweet, if you need any part #'s let me know cause I still have all the baggies for all the timing components with the part #'s __________________ BUILD 2 IN PROGRESS

August 21st, 2009, 03:05 PM	#14
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,540 iTrader: 8 reviews	right now i have to figure out who does align honing on these heads. __________________ project warhorse under construction wagon burner under construction as well (04 lightning) being built by MP2 Performance

August 22nd, 2009, 02:10 AM	#15
99blkcobra Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 cobra Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,741 iTrader: 2 reviews	yeap i did timing on my car too, but have other opinion than other people. I thought doing my timing was fun not lookin forward to do it on my car but wouldnt mind doin it on another car. now i need to learn how to install cams and learn how to p&p and sorry about the car sucks not driving, good luck with it __________________ 1999 Mustang Cobra (rebuilding, someday...) 1996 civic dd [/SIZE] MM Cobra Club #3

August 22nd, 2009, 02:44 AM	#16
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,540 iTrader: 8 reviews	i have already ported the t/b , top hat, and top of lower manifold. i will be doing bottom half of the lower manifold, and a "stage 1" port job on the heads as well. not too sure about what other stuff he is ging to be putting in while we are here, but i guess i will find out soon enough. __________________ project warhorse under construction wagon burner under construction as well (04 lightning) being built by MP2 Performance

August 22nd, 2009, 04:10 AM	#17
99blkcobra Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 cobra Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,741 iTrader: 2 reviews	sucks i wish i could be doing all that stuff, the bottom stayin the same? __________________ 1999 Mustang Cobra (rebuilding, someday...) 1996 civic dd [/SIZE] MM Cobra Club #3

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August 22nd, 2009, 08:34 AM	#18
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,540 iTrader: 8 reviews	as far as i know. i will be doing all new gaskets, there is oil all over the place in there. __________________ project warhorse under construction wagon burner under construction as well (04 lightning) being built by MP2 Performance

August 23rd, 2009, 03:18 PM	#19
Mach Boy MM's Orangest 2004 Mach 1 Mustang Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indy Posts: 2,846 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 1 reviews	The rotating assembly will stay stock, but I'm going to replace the oil pump while we're in there. I might do some other stuff with the exhaust since it is messed up too, but it all comes down to how much getting the motor put back together will cost. Once I get a number on that I'll decide what to do with the exhaust. __________________ Looking for 03/04 4V ABS Wiring Harness Connector/Incomplete Wiring Harness (with ABS connector)

October 8th, 2009, 11:35 PM	#20
TwistedRay Regular 2003 TorchRed Mach1 10.98@119 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Trailer at the track Posts: 119 iTrader: 0 reviews	I told Mach boy on the phone tonight who can do the line bore for him. Just call 'em up and they can handle it. FYI......a cracked cam bridge does occur and fairly often. MOST of the time it's from improper assy. of cams...............silly people wanting torque the cams down with the dang followers already in place instead of popping them in AFTER the cam bridge assy is torqued and free rotation of the cam is checked. It's also NOT the death of your cam bridge assy if it is cracked or broken if it is still assembled. It can even still be used if you have it disassembled. You just have to be VERY careful in torquing to make sure it's in line and the cam can still turn freely. IT'S A PAIN IN THE AZZ THOUGH!

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