changing mach1 intake cams with 96-01 cobra cams??

blue03mach1 · November 9th, 2009, 02:57 PM

i heard changing the stock mach1 intake cams with the older cobra cams 96 or 97-01 you see a 15-20whp difference? is this about right? i would rather go with custom cams but 2400 bucks is worth 20 to 25whp gains. id rather just vortech it which might happen someday. The intake cams on the cobra are like 300 to 400 bucks?
Btw i would post in the 4v section but this section gets more hits.

SWEET2KSTANG · November 9th, 2009, 03:11 PM

it belongs here so i put it here. there will be more traffic here if people would continually post here. as for the cams, yes the older cobra's have a little more aggressive cam. there are gains being made going with them. and it is the 96-98 cobra cams that are the ones people go after, the 99-04 are the same.

blue03mach1 · November 9th, 2009, 03:13 PM

oh my bad. i just posted on the other one cuz i thought i accidently posted here. alright ill post here from now on. 96 to 98 okay. are the gains around 15 to 20whp? would i need a retune? im sure i would but would it make me slower? without a retune? make me run richer or lean?

blue03mach1 · November 9th, 2009, 03:15 PM

do they run for around 300 to 400 bucks? i think read somewhere thats how much they are. i mean 300 bucks + install plus tune would be a lot cheaper than going all out and be money efficient.

SWEET2KSTANG · November 9th, 2009, 03:22 PM

dont have to have a tune, but like anything else a tune will fully utilize them. your afr's arent going to be thorwn off all that bad. the cams have same lift i think but has about 12 degrees or so duration. a set of used intake cams only go for 100-150 normally. gains are roughly about that. as for prices are, it depends on who you have install them.

blue03mach1 · November 9th, 2009, 03:31 PM

okay, well i have a pretty good tune on the car now and i dont it hurting the tune. i know any tune will just make it better but the tuner who basically came out with the software for diablo and was involved with sct. (scott bear) he is one of the best tuners around but unfortunately he went back to canada. So I'm either im gonna try to go to BBR i hear good things about them or i heard the guy that taught scott is around tuning cars so i might do that. I heard advancing the cams before install like adding 20 degrees to the intake cams to a mach1 motor increases the hp to around 20whp. by advancing it you wouldnt notice the torque lost as well.

SWEET2KSTANG · November 9th, 2009, 03:35 PM

20 degree's? you would kill the set up doing that. advancing the cams will usually get more on the bottom end, and pull from top end. this also depends on cam selection and specs. no need to advance the 96-98 cobra cams, just make sure they are dialed in good.

UWISHU1 · November 9th, 2009, 03:40 PM

my brother did this mod on his 04 Mach 1 and with a ported lower intake made about 330rwhp, Car ran a low 12 @111mph. Pretty inexpensive mod if you ask me, we got the cams used for like $150. Check Mach1registry.com for a lot more info

blue03mach1 · November 9th, 2009, 03:45 PM

96-98 Cobra intake cams. - Page 3 - ModularFords.com scroll down and this guy na svt says this.."When checked the durations of the four intake cam's, 8 intake lobes and they were all at 204-205 degrees. The LCs were the same for both the primary and secondary lobes. There is a common belief that that intake and secondary lobes are offset by 3 degrees, we did not see this with these cams.

I would put the 96-98 cam specs at:
Intake: 205 deg @.050
Exhaust: 196 deg @.050
114/114 LCs

With that, adding 20 degrees of intake duration to a Mach motor would increase power by 20fwhp. Install them advanced and you wouldn't realize any torque losses either"
according to "na svt". so he is wrong?

blue03mach1 · November 9th, 2009, 03:46 PM

uwish did ur brother have full exhaust and intake as well?

SWEET2KSTANG · November 9th, 2009, 04:02 PM

you can play with the cam timing, but i never heard of changing them 20 degree's.

UWISHU1 · November 9th, 2009, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by blue03mach1

uwish did ur brother have full exhaust and intake as well?

full exhaust- Hooker L/T, off road X and Mac pro dumps.

intake- Ported done by Orange Blast from the Mach1 registry. It's cut open,fully ported and welded back together

Mach Boy · November 9th, 2009, 07:09 PM

Mike the 99-04 intake cams are not the same. The 99/01 intake cams are just a couple degrees more mild than the 96-98.

Mach 1, 03/04 Cobra, Aviator, Marauder, Navigator
Intake: 184 deg @ .050/.397" lift (measured duration)Exhaust: 196 deg @ .050/.397" lift
114 LCs

96-98 Cobra
intake PN#s F6ZE-6A270-AB crosses to F6ZZ-6250-AA
F6ZE-6A271-AB crosses to F6ZZ-6250-BA

Intake: 202-204 deg @.050/ .397 lift
Exhaust: 196 deg @.050/.397 lift
114/114 LCs

99/01 Cobra
Intake: 200 deg @.050/.397 lift (measured duration)
Exhaust: 196 deg @.050/.397 lift
114 LCs

The exhaust cams however are the same among all 96-04 4Vs.

acidtonic · November 9th, 2009, 07:44 PM

na svt is a well respected member over there so I would double check with him about that post you dug up. I didnt actually go find it but if it wasnt recent I'd see if he found out anything more since the posting.

Shoot him a PM and see what he thinks. I almost had him do a short runner intake for me last year. Chose a different direction though which I'm saving for instead. (single turbo)

20* sounds like an awful lot though so at first glance I'd say that Sweet2k sounds more correct.

Mach Boy · November 9th, 2009, 07:47 PM

The numbers I posted for the cam specs are the numbers NA SVT posted

06RedfireGT · November 9th, 2009, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by blue03mach1

okay, well i have a pretty good tune on the car now and i dont it hurting the tune. i know any tune will just make it better but the tuner who basically came out with the software for diablo and was involved with sct. (scott bear) he is one of the best tuners around but unfortunately he went back to canada. So I'm either im gonna try to go to BBR i hear good things about them or i heard the guy that taught scott is around tuning cars so i might do that. I heard advancing the cams before install like adding 20 degrees to the intake cams to a mach1 motor increases the hp to around 20whp. by advancing it you wouldnt notice the torque lost as well.

I'm guessing that you are in south FL.

If you are, then be sure to check out VMP Tuning, they are pretty well known down there and they do good work.

blue03mach1 · November 9th, 2009, 10:55 PM

yeah i saw some of the tuning they did with the roush 427s. where are they located? yeah im in SW florida. ill call around before i make the decision with my dad to get the cams. My dad is gathering up mods for the 427r( smaller pulley, intake, cams and full exhaust and maybe gears) and waiting for them to arrive and then headed to BBR to install them and tune for a package deal.

Depending how the car runs if i switch out the intake cams ill see if i should get it tuned and if BBR will do a deal with two cars.

Mustang RacR94 · November 11th, 2009, 12:26 AM

id just invest in a better set of cams all together if I was going thru the hassle, just my two cents

blue03mach1 · November 11th, 2009, 02:10 PM

yeah well... 2400 bucks (before a tune) compared to 1100 bucks with only like 10whp difference? id go the this way. i thought about doing the other but its a waste of money.

blue03mach1 · November 11th, 2009, 02:11 PM

assuming the install would be 800 to 1000.

November 9th, 2009, 02:57 PM	#1
blue03mach1 Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 522 iTrader: 0 reviews	changing mach1 intake cams with 96-01 cobra cams?? i heard changing the stock mach1 intake cams with the older cobra cams 96 or 97-01 you see a 15-20whp difference? is this about right? i would rather go with custom cams but 2400 bucks is worth 20 to 25whp gains. id rather just vortech it which might happen someday. The intake cams on the cobra are like 300 to 400 bucks? Btw i would post in the 4v section but this section gets more hits.

November 9th, 2009, 03:11 PM	#2
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,540 iTrader: 8 reviews	it belongs here so i put it here. there will be more traffic here if people would continually post here. as for the cams, yes the older cobra's have a little more aggressive cam. there are gains being made going with them. and it is the 96-98 cobra cams that are the ones people go after, the 99-04 are the same. __________________ project warhorse under construction wagon burner under construction as well (04 lightning) being built by MP2 Performance

November 9th, 2009, 03:22 PM	#5
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,540 iTrader: 8 reviews	dont have to have a tune, but like anything else a tune will fully utilize them. your afr's arent going to be thorwn off all that bad. the cams have same lift i think but has about 12 degrees or so duration. a set of used intake cams only go for 100-150 normally. gains are roughly about that. as for prices are, it depends on who you have install them. __________________ project warhorse under construction wagon burner under construction as well (04 lightning) being built by MP2 Performance

November 9th, 2009, 03:35 PM	#7
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,540 iTrader: 8 reviews	20 degree's? you would kill the set up doing that. advancing the cams will usually get more on the bottom end, and pull from top end. this also depends on cam selection and specs. no need to advance the 96-98 cobra cams, just make sure they are dialed in good. __________________ project warhorse under construction wagon burner under construction as well (04 lightning) being built by MP2 Performance

November 9th, 2009, 03:40 PM	#8
UWISHU1 Regular 2001 11.10@127.88 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Chi-town Posts: 253 iTrader: 1 reviews	my brother did this mod on his 04 Mach 1 and with a ported lower intake made about 330rwhp, Car ran a low 12 @111mph. Pretty inexpensive mod if you ask me, we got the cams used for like $150. Check Mach1registry.com for a lot more info __________________

November 9th, 2009, 03:13 PM	#3
blue03mach1 Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 522 iTrader: 0 reviews	oh my bad. i just posted on the other one cuz i thought i accidently posted here. alright ill post here from now on. 96 to 98 okay. are the gains around 15 to 20whp? would i need a retune? im sure i would but would it make me slower? without a retune? make me run richer or lean?

November 9th, 2009, 03:15 PM	#4
blue03mach1 Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 522 iTrader: 0 reviews	do they run for around 300 to 400 bucks? i think read somewhere thats how much they are. i mean 300 bucks + install plus tune would be a lot cheaper than going all out and be money efficient.

November 9th, 2009, 03:31 PM	#6
blue03mach1 Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 522 iTrader: 0 reviews	okay, well i have a pretty good tune on the car now and i dont it hurting the tune. i know any tune will just make it better but the tuner who basically came out with the software for diablo and was involved with sct. (scott bear) he is one of the best tuners around but unfortunately he went back to canada. So I'm either im gonna try to go to BBR i hear good things about them or i heard the guy that taught scott is around tuning cars so i might do that. I heard advancing the cams before install like adding 20 degrees to the intake cams to a mach1 motor increases the hp to around 20whp. by advancing it you wouldnt notice the torque lost as well.

November 9th, 2009, 03:45 PM	#9
blue03mach1 Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 522 iTrader: 0 reviews	96-98 Cobra intake cams. - Page 3 - ModularFords.com scroll down and this guy na svt says this.."When checked the durations of the four intake cam's, 8 intake lobes and they were all at 204-205 degrees. The LCs were the same for both the primary and secondary lobes. There is a common belief that that intake and secondary lobes are offset by 3 degrees, we did not see this with these cams. I would put the 96-98 cam specs at: Intake: 205 deg @.050 Exhaust: 196 deg @.050 114/114 LCs With that, adding 20 degrees of intake duration to a Mach motor would increase power by 20fwhp. Install them advanced and you wouldn't realize any torque losses either" according to "na svt". so he is wrong? Last edited by blue03mach1; November 9th, 2009 at 03:48 PM.

November 9th, 2009, 03:46 PM	#10
blue03mach1 Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 522 iTrader: 0 reviews	uwish did ur brother have full exhaust and intake as well?

November 9th, 2009, 04:02 PM	#11
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,540 iTrader: 8 reviews	you can play with the cam timing, but i never heard of changing them 20 degree's. __________________ project warhorse under construction wagon burner under construction as well (04 lightning) being built by MP2 Performance

November 9th, 2009, 07:09 PM	#13
Mach Boy MM's Orangest 2004 Mach 1 Mustang Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indy Posts: 2,846 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 1 reviews	Mike the 99-04 intake cams are not the same. The 99/01 intake cams are just a couple degrees more mild than the 96-98. Mach 1, 03/04 Cobra, Aviator, Marauder, Navigator Intake: 184 deg @ .050/.397" lift (measured duration)Exhaust: 196 deg @ .050/.397" lift 114 LCs 96-98 Cobra intake PN#s F6ZE-6A270-AB crosses to F6ZZ-6250-AA F6ZE-6A271-AB crosses to F6ZZ-6250-BA Intake: 202-204 deg @.050/ .397 lift Exhaust: 196 deg @.050/.397 lift 114/114 LCs 99/01 Cobra Intake: 200 deg @.050/.397 lift (measured duration) Exhaust: 196 deg @.050/.397 lift 114 LCs The exhaust cams however are the same among all 96-04 4Vs. __________________ Looking for 03/04 4V ABS Wiring Harness Connector/Incomplete Wiring Harness (with ABS connector)

November 9th, 2009, 07:44 PM	#14
acidtonic Hardcore Enthusiast 97 Cobra Join Date: May 2008 Location: Royal Oak Michigan Posts: 1,056 iTrader: 0 reviews	na svt is a well respected member over there so I would double check with him about that post you dug up. I didnt actually go find it but if it wasnt recent I'd see if he found out anything more since the posting. Shoot him a PM and see what he thinks. I almost had him do a short runner intake for me last year. Chose a different direction though which I'm saving for instead. (single turbo) 20* sounds like an awful lot though so at first glance I'd say that Sweet2k sounds more correct. __________________ Converted to the Dark Side. 06 Apex Silver Evolution IX GSR - Turboback Exhaust, Tune - Wideband O2, Trustz backlight gauges, Apexi turbo timer - Stock wing, but soon to be wingless. - Guessing 280-310 at the wheels. 02 Red Escape V6 4x4

November 9th, 2009, 07:47 PM	#15
Mach Boy MM's Orangest 2004 Mach 1 Mustang Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indy Posts: 2,846 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 1 reviews	The numbers I posted for the cam specs are the numbers NA SVT posted __________________ Looking for 03/04 4V ABS Wiring Harness Connector/Incomplete Wiring Harness (with ABS connector)

November 9th, 2009, 10:55 PM	#17
blue03mach1 Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 522 iTrader: 0 reviews	yeah i saw some of the tuning they did with the roush 427s. where are they located? yeah im in SW florida. ill call around before i make the decision with my dad to get the cams. My dad is gathering up mods for the 427r( smaller pulley, intake, cams and full exhaust and maybe gears) and waiting for them to arrive and then headed to BBR to install them and tune for a package deal. Depending how the car runs if i switch out the intake cams ill see if i should get it tuned and if BBR will do a deal with two cars.

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November 11th, 2009, 12:26 AM	#18
Mustang RacR94 MM Fanatic 99 cobra N/A Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Fayetteville NC Posts: 3,169 iTrader: 0 reviews	id just invest in a better set of cams all together if I was going thru the hassle, just my two cents __________________ 99 Cobra 03 Cobra motor AFCO H/E Pulley JLT CAI BBK L/T off road H/steeda catback SCT MAF Tune 03 cobra pumps HVGC

November 11th, 2009, 02:10 PM	#19
blue03mach1 Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 522 iTrader: 0 reviews	yeah well... 2400 bucks (before a tune) compared to 1100 bucks with only like 10whp difference? id go the this way. i thought about doing the other but its a waste of money.

November 11th, 2009, 02:11 PM	#20
blue03mach1 Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 522 iTrader: 0 reviews	assuming the install would be 800 to 1000.

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