[Trick Tuners]

Originally Posted by drazga97 dyno tuning usually only accounts for WOT

Only crappy tooners do that! But yeah, there are a lot of them out there!

Originally Posted by 2002BLGT I am a tuner that only street tunes , and I have zero complaints after my customers get their cars and I havent had any complaints when they go to the track either ....

Would you street tune a 600+hp beast? I sure has hell wouldn't do it with me in the car! I have customers do 3rd gear pulls to keep is semi safe. 600+ hp would require 4th gear for sure and those are some high speeds on the street!!

[gotn20]

Originally Posted by AzSonicSnake i would say street tuning for a turbo car, but a s/c'd car can be done right on a dyno. my car was tuned on the dyno, and runs like a mutha on the street as well. plus trapping 129.9 in a ported eaton car at full weight at too shabby.

that's fucking sick you guys are making me want a 4v sick... humm

[CammedMysticCobra]

Originally Posted by joexxx Ok im going to sound like a total noob, but why's it matter where you tune your car? And what makes a street tune so good? or a dyno tune so good? And why would a street tune make faster times on the strip?

Dude I answered that in my last post it explains everything your asking about

[CammedMysticCobra]

Originally Posted by 2002BLGT I am a tuner that only street tunes , and I have zero complaints after my customers get their cars and I havent had any complaints when they go to the track either ....

Living proof of why I started this thread and spoken from a true tuners word

[CammedMysticCobra]

Originally Posted by ForestGRN_Ghost street tune. a dyno will show you numbers on a chart. a street tune will let you SEE how your putting it to the ground. a car that dynos at 800hp on the dyno could be a peice of shit on the street cause it cant put shit to the ground. with that being said there could be some 600hp street tuned beast that has a proper suspension and puts that 600hp to the ground. bottom like a dyno will show you what your number is not what your time at the track is.

Couldnt have worded that better my self very nice ForestGRN

[CammedMysticCobra]

Originally Posted by Scott2001GT i have this same questionso good thread start! I cant decide if I want to do a street or dyno tune with my P1sc and a 3.5k stall in it. I feel dyno b.c tuning with the lock up and such.

This thread should be giving you the right idea what you should do. Meaning yes go street tune the car dont waste your money right now on dyno. Especially if you want to know how the car is going to launch on the street and at the track

[2002BLGT]

Originally Posted by Trick Tuners Only crappy tooners do that! But yeah, there are a lot of them out there! Would you street tune a 600+hp beast? I sure has hell wouldn't do it with me in the car! I have customers do 3rd gear pulls to keep is semi safe. 600+ hp would require 4th gear for sure and those are some high speeds on the street!!

I have someone else ride and watch the wideband while I am datalogging everything , I tell them what to look for on the air/fuel and if it goes over that I get them to signal to me to let off. I drive since I want to be able to feel anything funny. Anything with a power adder I have them leave it for several days so I can work with the car and not be rushed

I do 4th gear pulls on a road with a slight incline to make sure the car is loaded well thats over 1.5 miles long and straight , during the day only
but like you said doing the WOT stuff is the easiest thing to figure out , I work on the idle and driving quality first , tip in fuel all that , then I do the WOT tuning and I am always over conservative with timing incase the chance of getting crap gas ......

[Scott2001GT]

shit I wish I had u tuners around here!

wouldn't a auto me better to dyno tune wit hte lock up and all?

[ForestGRN_Ghost]

Originally Posted by CammedMysticCobra Couldnt have worded that better my self very nice ForestGRN

thank you
reps are welcome

[Trick Tuners]

Originally Posted by 2002BLGT I drive I do 4th gear pulls on a road with a slight incline to make sure the car is loaded well thats over 1.5 miles long and straight ,

Dude, be safe out there. You are running a HUGE liability risk. I hope you have good insurance, and don't get busted by the cops and spend the night in jail.

[AzSonicSnake]

Originally Posted by Trick Tuners While i cannot comment on the tune quality of your tune, having consistency has nothing to do with a good tune. I could give you a POS tune and it will be the exact same forever until you change a part, or the engine blows up.

i see what your sayin, but i also drive this car alot. it sees alot of street duty, but it cruisin to a show, or going out on a mountain cruise. it has amazing drivability. even when its cold out. and thats also what i am basing my wording from. otherwise, i cannot argue with you one bit. and i base the consistancy on the fact that i have ran it alot at the track, and i am always hard on it at the track. so, that says alot about it in my opinion.

[CammedMysticCobra]

Originally Posted by 2002BLGT I have someone else ride and watch the wideband while I am datalogging everything , I tell them what to look for on the air/fuel and if it goes over that I get them to signal to me to let off. I drive since I want to be able to feel anything funny. Anything with a power adder I have them leave it for several days so I can work with the car and not be rushed I do 4th gear pulls on a road with a slight incline to make sure the car is loaded well thats over 1.5 miles long and straight , during the day only but like you said doing the WOT stuff is the easiest thing to figure out , I work on the idle and driving quality first , tip in fuel all that , then I do the WOT tuning and I am always over conservative with timing incase the chance of getting crap gas ......

See this is how you street tune. Datalogging is very important due to the fact of temps witch will change on the street as well. All of these factors play a huge role in the over all tune. Right the drive ablity should come first since its a solid start to a good tune and very important when you have cams that want to shut off the car lol not that mine gave me this issue at all but we have all seen those 9 and under "streetcars" that can even put half the power down to the floor and for those to have drivability true perfection. I know about the timming bad gas factor but how many times does this really happen. You can never not have enough timming lol.

[rodeheavers]

this is coming form a tuner... If you tune your car on a loaded dyno, IE: Mustang dyno, you will get very close if not perfect driveability.. I like to dyno a car then take it for a street cruise to make sure its all good, and sometimes it may need a little touch up, but its usually only for dashpot.. Street tuning is not only very hard its also very dangerous, it take 2 people and a nonbusy roadway..

[MDK210]

i say both street and dyno. Most quality tuners take your car out on the road before and after the dyno to check for drivability. My last tuner did all street tune because he was just getting his MD in. He actually had the ability to go WOT in certain areas though and the driveability was great! Now if he had the dyno up I could have squeezed even more power out of it I would imagine. My current tuner who also tuned my truck uses a dynojet, he's been doing it for decades and just prefers the dynojet. He has his reasons but in all honesty who really cares as long as the tune is safe. You have to find a tuner that believes in keeping your vehicle safe and if you don't make the #'s you wanted, suck it up and do what you need to do in order to run safely! I would rather drive around a 400rwhp car capable of 450rwhp or so as opposed to a 500rwhp without the supporting mods. Two ultimate factors are the driver and reliability. You can't handle your ride then I win, if your ride blows up I win again...Tuners are expensive cause they are supposed to protect your investment with their knowledge and professionalism and IMO are the most important factor. You tuner should tell you if you car can't handle it and what you need to do in order to fix it not run it until the owner is satisfied then back it down, that's weak! I have to fill out 4 pages of info for my tuner ranging from questions about my last fuel filter change to aftermarket piston size. Sorry for the rant but I hate hearing people talk about their "bad ass" rides and they either run like shit or are unreliable. Do some research people, just cause a guy has a dyno and data logging software doesn't mean shit!