Need help with headers

tbird88tbo · June 21st, 2010, 07:19 PM

hey all, just tried to install a set of pacesetters. I ran into a lot of problems though. First problem was with the dipstick tube. That was the least of my problems though. Next the header on the passengers side was hitting the frame rail big time so i gently pried it into place, no big deal other then the fact that its only like 1/4 inch from hittting. Ok, so now i go to put the starter in and it wont fit. The solinoid on the starter is hitting the header. Long story short i tried the make it fit option and put a small dent in the header and it still wont fit. I am now going to send these back and get a different set.

I would really like to hear what brands everyone else is running and how well the fitment is (ease of install, noise, vibration, ect...). Pictures would be great too!

btw, my car is a 98 with 03 heads and a vortech supercharger.

98Cobra_sleeper · June 21st, 2010, 10:08 PM

i had bbk longtubes on my 98 cobra. sounded great when i had the supercharger on my car and the x-pipe. it fit good too.

swervo · June 21st, 2010, 10:10 PM

I just put a set of 1 3/4" American Racing Headers in my mach last weekend and they fit perfectly.

tbird88tbo · June 21st, 2010, 11:15 PM

sweet, ive been looking at both brands. Keep em coming!

swervo · June 22nd, 2010, 12:11 AM

Oh yeah, the dip stick tube fit with a little wiggling. They make the headers wide so it clears the starter and you can pull the tranny without having to pull the headers, which is a plus.

SWEET2KSTANG · June 22nd, 2010, 12:41 AM

i have done mac mostly. fitment is good, and cost is very reasonable. the header flange on the mac's isnt a one piece deal so it makes it a little easier. the AR, hooker, kooks, and slp, headers have had good reputations so far as i have seen and heard as well.

tbird88tbo · June 22nd, 2010, 07:23 AM

How much clearance is typical between the header and the frame?

tbird88tbo · June 22nd, 2010, 07:28 PM

does anyone have any pictures of the bbk headers for an 99-04 cobra?

SWEET2KSTANG · June 22nd, 2010, 08:40 PM

there usually isnt too much room around the headers, depends on where all you wanting measured. usually the are close to the starter, k-member, and sometimes floor.

MiKeYbAnKs3435 · June 23rd, 2010, 01:01 AM

I installed kooks lt's on my 01 a couple months ago. Installation was a pain, but doable.

97_4V_Sleepa · June 23rd, 2010, 04:24 AM

Hooker 1 5/8 longtubes FTW

Doc8224 · June 23rd, 2010, 04:05 PM

I have Mac's on my Mach and they are great. Me and sweet2k put them on and it's a little time consuming but they work and fit great.

tbird88tbo · June 23rd, 2010, 05:47 PM

does anyone have any experience with the bbk headers for a 99-04 cobra?

tbird88tbo · June 23rd, 2010, 06:06 PM

I really like the look of the ARH headers and im sure they are worth the $1200 but thats just too much for me right now. The pacesetters i got seemed ok until i put them on. Now im leaning towards the bbks or possibly macs. I dont like how the flowtech, hedman, and hooker headers have slip-fit primaries, it seems like they would leak. Im also unsure about the macs because they have indiviual flanges. Ive heard of them warping and being hard to reinstall once you take them off. I have a set of equal legnth shorty macs on my t-coupe and i dont recall ever having a problem with them and ive had them on and off several times over the years.

As always any and all input is good and taken into concideration.

LGHTNG02GT · June 23rd, 2010, 06:50 PM

i have a set of Ford Racing shorty's on my 4v. no fitment issues at all...and they are stainless steel but the best part is the lifetime warranty on the jet-hot coating.

tbird88tbo · June 23rd, 2010, 06:56 PM

yeah, i have a set of those now. In fact i will be putting those back on until i get the engine tuned and the new headers come (edit: need to decide on which ones first). They do fit great, and they are alot easier to install, but i want more flow. My engine will be seeing over 20psi of boost.

Stephen4036 · June 26th, 2010, 02:46 AM

swervo, link to these headers you bought? fyi BBK's fit great for any of their products.

97_4V_Sleepa · June 26th, 2010, 08:14 AM

The hooker slip flange doesnt leak by design. the air will go in the direction of least resistance, this being toward the flange. air doesnt like to change direction, so it works.

Stephen4036 · June 26th, 2010, 10:50 AM

i hate hookers vband clamp design... lol

97_4V_Sleepa · June 26th, 2010, 02:40 PM

I sense a hint of sarcasm....lol

June 21st, 2010, 07:19 PM	#1
tbird88tbo Regular 1998 Mustang Base Model Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 109 iTrader: 0 reviews	Need help with headers hey all, just tried to install a set of pacesetters. I ran into a lot of problems though. First problem was with the dipstick tube. That was the least of my problems though. Next the header on the passengers side was hitting the frame rail big time so i gently pried it into place, no big deal other then the fact that its only like 1/4 inch from hittting. Ok, so now i go to put the starter in and it wont fit. The solinoid on the starter is hitting the header. Long story short i tried the make it fit option and put a small dent in the header and it still wont fit. I am now going to send these back and get a different set. I would really like to hear what brands everyone else is running and how well the fitment is (ease of install, noise, vibration, ect...). Pictures would be great too! btw, my car is a 98 with 03 heads and a vortech supercharger. Last edited by tbird88tbo; June 21st, 2010 at 07:21 PM. Reason: addition

June 21st, 2010, 10:08 PM	#2
98Cobra_sleeper Enthusiast 1998 mustang cobra Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: pa Posts: 617 iTrader: 0 reviews	i had bbk longtubes on my 98 cobra. sounded great when i had the supercharger on my car and the x-pipe. it fit good too. __________________ HP twin turbo - 691hp/608tq with 15lbs huffed in (old setup) comin soon...ON3 turbo kit, PTE7175

June 22nd, 2010, 12:41 AM	#6
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,540 iTrader: 8 reviews	i have done mac mostly. fitment is good, and cost is very reasonable. the header flange on the mac's isnt a one piece deal so it makes it a little easier. the AR, hooker, kooks, and slp, headers have had good reputations so far as i have seen and heard as well. __________________ project warhorse under construction wagon burner under construction as well (04 lightning) being built by MP2 Performance

June 22nd, 2010, 08:40 PM	#9
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,540 iTrader: 8 reviews	there usually isnt too much room around the headers, depends on where all you wanting measured. usually the are close to the starter, k-member, and sometimes floor. __________________ project warhorse under construction wagon burner under construction as well (04 lightning) being built by MP2 Performance

June 23rd, 2010, 01:01 AM	#10
MiKeYbAnKs3435 Regular 2001 SVT cobra N/A Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Kirkwood Posts: 124 iTrader: 0 reviews	I installed kooks lt's on my 01 a couple months ago. Installation was a pain, but doable. __________________ Imports are like tampons. Every pussy's got one.

June 21st, 2010, 11:15 PM	#4
tbird88tbo Regular 1998 Mustang Base Model Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 109 iTrader: 0 reviews	sweet, ive been looking at both brands. Keep em coming!

June 22nd, 2010, 07:23 AM	#7
tbird88tbo Regular 1998 Mustang Base Model Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 109 iTrader: 0 reviews	How much clearance is typical between the header and the frame?

June 22nd, 2010, 07:28 PM	#8
tbird88tbo Regular 1998 Mustang Base Model Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 109 iTrader: 0 reviews	does anyone have any pictures of the bbk headers for an 99-04 cobra?

June 23rd, 2010, 04:05 PM	#12
Doc8224 N/A 4v Guru 2003 Mach 1 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Afghanistan Posts: 3,463 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 1 reviews	I have Mac's on my Mach and they are great. Me and sweet2k put them on and it's a little time consuming but they work and fit great. __________________ Military Crew U.S. Army Aviation Apache's Lead The Way

June 23rd, 2010, 05:47 PM	#13
tbird88tbo Regular 1998 Mustang Base Model Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 109 iTrader: 0 reviews	does anyone have any experience with the bbk headers for a 99-04 cobra?

June 23rd, 2010, 06:06 PM	#14
tbird88tbo Regular 1998 Mustang Base Model Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 109 iTrader: 0 reviews	I really like the look of the ARH headers and im sure they are worth the $1200 but thats just too much for me right now. The pacesetters i got seemed ok until i put them on. Now im leaning towards the bbks or possibly macs. I dont like how the flowtech, hedman, and hooker headers have slip-fit primaries, it seems like they would leak. Im also unsure about the macs because they have indiviual flanges. Ive heard of them warping and being hard to reinstall once you take them off. I have a set of equal legnth shorty macs on my t-coupe and i dont recall ever having a problem with them and ive had them on and off several times over the years. As always any and all input is good and taken into concideration.

June 23rd, 2010, 06:50 PM	#15
LGHTNG02GT Hardcore Enthusiast 4V swapped '02 GT (2v) 13.9@101 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: H~Town, PA Posts: 1,756 iTrader: 10 reviews	i have a set of Ford Racing shorty's on my 4v. no fitment issues at all...and they are stainless steel but the best part is the lifetime warranty on the jet-hot coating. __________________ BSD 100MPH Club YMR #8975 4v Swap and a little Purple Bottle MM Nitrous Club #7 MM Cobra Club #87

June 23rd, 2010, 06:56 PM	#16
tbird88tbo Regular 1998 Mustang Base Model Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 109 iTrader: 0 reviews	yeah, i have a set of those now. In fact i will be putting those back on until i get the engine tuned and the new headers come (edit: need to decide on which ones first). They do fit great, and they are alot easier to install, but i want more flow. My engine will be seeing over 20psi of boost. Last edited by tbird88tbo; June 23rd, 2010 at 06:57 PM. Reason: dont want to repost

June 26th, 2010, 02:46 AM	#17
Stephen4036 Banned 2000 Mustang GT 14.10 @ 98 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 491 iTrader: 0 reviews	swervo, link to these headers you bought? fyi BBK's fit great for any of their products. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [LEFT][B][COLOR="Red"]4r70w to TR3650 Swap...[/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"][COLOR="Yellow"]SRA to 2001 IRS Swap...[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR="Orange"]2000 2v to 98 4v Swap...[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR="RoyalBlue"][B][I]there really isn't much else to swap... :cool:[/I][/B][/COLOR][/LEFT]

June 26th, 2010, 10:50 AM	#19
Stephen4036 Banned 2000 Mustang GT 14.10 @ 98 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 491 iTrader: 0 reviews	i hate hookers vband clamp design... lol __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [LEFT][B][COLOR="Red"]4r70w to TR3650 Swap...[/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"][COLOR="Yellow"]SRA to 2001 IRS Swap...[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR="Orange"]2000 2v to 98 4v Swap...[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR="RoyalBlue"][B][I]there really isn't much else to swap... :cool:[/I][/B][/COLOR][/LEFT]

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