help me with clutch upgrade on an 04 cobra

xslobcorex · April 26th, 2011, 06:22 AM

Hey guys, just recently picked up my 2004 cobra, and I'm already wanting to get rid of the POS stock clutch. The previous owner said the car dynoed a few years ago just over 500 at the wheels, and you can really feel the clutch slip if you get into it. I only plan on modding more, so I'm wanting to go to a stage 2 clutch. I saw AM has Spec kits, but I've read bad things about them. I only wanna do this upgrade once, so if anyone can steer me in the right direction, I'd be very appreciative.

Aceswild 02 · April 26th, 2011, 11:19 AM

I have heard bad things about the TOB on all spec clutches except for the 3+. That is the one I have and I love it. Holds power great and there is absolutley no slipping. Everyone else I have talked to with a 3+ hasnt had a problem with it.

xslobcorex · April 26th, 2011, 06:21 PM

How do you like the 3+ on the street? I'm gonna be daily driving the car and possibly getting into autocross with a friend. I wouldn't want the stage 2 to slip on me.

Aceswild 02 · April 26th, 2011, 06:24 PM

I love it. I daily drive my cobra and the 3+ is fine once you get used to it on the street. It took some getting used to though for a dd. Its a lot easier than the stage 3.

xslobcorex · April 26th, 2011, 06:32 PM

In what way is it different? I had a stage 2 in my GT and you could pretty much 'pop' the clutch out in any gear without giving it gas and it would roll. I like to rip through the gears rather quick, and I'm not really a fan of feathering the clutch or anything

Aceswild 02 · April 26th, 2011, 06:36 PM

Stage 3, even though its a street/strip clutch, is pretty much better off on a track car imo. The drivability of the 3+ is a lot better, however its still very grippy. no need to feather it

xslobcorex · April 26th, 2011, 06:48 PM

Alright I may have to look into that. I like grippy lol

mfj · April 26th, 2011, 07:34 PM

I make over 700 lbs-ft of torque at the wheels and I am running the 3+. I have zero complaints!

4valvegt · April 26th, 2011, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by mfj

I make over 700 lbs-ft of torque at the wheels and I am running the 3+. I have zero complaints!

Still runnin the 3650?

EvilBlack · April 26th, 2011, 08:08 PM

3+ is what i am running as well. Just passed the 500 mile break in so I can finally tear it up. I am at 600 RWHP myself.

Clutch best price plus free shipping found at http://www.lmperformance.com/44619/101.html
Get a 26 spline upgrade from here Liberty Gear : Performance Parts - Ford Mustang - Cobra - Dodge Viper - Chevy Corvette - C6 - LS1

Get this D&D Performance - BC24 T-56 Billet Cobra Guide Tube

Then use FRPP TOB and Pilot from D&D. Also get a Cobra Bob shifter gasket and fill it up with Penzoil Synchromesh. You will love it.

xslobcorex · April 26th, 2011, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by EvilBlack

3+ is what i am running as well. Just passed the 500 mile break in so I can finally tear it up. I am at 600 RWHP myself.

Clutch best price plus free shipping found at SPEC SF873F SPEC Clutch Kit Stage 3+ - Ford Mustang 1999-2004 4.6L Cobra, MACH - SF873F, SPEC Clutch Kit
Get a 26 spline upgrade from here Liberty Gear : Performance Parts - Ford Mustang - Cobra - Dodge Viper - Chevy Corvette - C6 - LS1

Get this D&D Performance - BC24 T-56 Billet Cobra Guide Tube

Then use FRPP TOB and Pilot from D&D. Also get a Cobra Bob shifter gasket and fill it up with Penzoil Synchromesh. You will love it.

This is what I'm talkin about! When I can get to my computer I'm gonna look deeper into all this stuff. As it sits now, my cobra is kinda hard to shift. Hopefully all this stuff will help with that issue?

mfj · April 26th, 2011, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by 4valvegt

Still runnin the 3650?

Nope. T56 with a Liberty 26 spline input shaft. TR3650 will not handle what I am making.

SWEET2KSTANG · April 26th, 2011, 11:04 PM

i ran a sepc 3, loved the hell out of it. i going back to one for a little while till i get a 26 spline input for my t45. the 3+ feels about the same to me. i like the spec 2 as well, although they can be stiff. as for the TOB, i have had trouble with all of them except for an oem, maybe thats just my luck???

EvilBlack · April 27th, 2011, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by xslobcorex

This is what I'm talkin about! When I can get to my computer I'm gonna look deeper into all this stuff. As it sits now, my cobra is kinda hard to shift. Hopefully all this stuff will help with that issue?

These and a properly adjusted clutch.

You want a stock Ford cable, the Fiore quadrant and micro click adjuster and adjust it to spec.

Also a MGW Orange or Silver Race shifter depending upon your preference. Put a Cobra Bob shifter gasket in to keep it all quiet.

Stang Shifter Gaskets

All of these and possibly the Anti Venom T56 mod and you will be shifting like butter and holding 850 Ft LBS of Torque.

Aceswild 02 · April 27th, 2011, 07:10 AM

Does that gasket really make a big difference?

mfj · April 27th, 2011, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Aceswild 02

Does that gasket really make a big difference?

no

Aceswild 02 · April 27th, 2011, 09:25 AM

Mine isnt all that loud anyway. I put a good bit of gasket maker on mine when I installed it though.

EvilBlack · April 27th, 2011, 11:42 AM

Not THAT huge of a difference, just one of those items that makes a project seem complete. I try to get stuff buttoned up once and not screw with the same issues over and over. T56 noise and notchy shifting seems to be a pretty common complaint, so when I did my clutch I just tried to cover each of the common items that need repair from the block back to the driveshaft.

Aceswild 02 · April 27th, 2011, 01:07 PM

Gotcha...mine is really not very noisy and shifts pretty damn smooth, once I swapped the B&M shifter for the Tri-ax anyways.

xslobcorex · April 28th, 2011, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Aceswild 02

Gotcha...mine is really not very noisy and shifts pretty damn smooth, once I swapped the B&M shifter for the Tri-ax anyways.

Do these come stock with a B&M shifter? The PO said that's what this car had, and I'm not really a fan of it.

April 26th, 2011, 06:22 AM	#1
xslobcorex Regular 2004 Cobra Join Date: May 2010 Location: suburban philly Posts: 196 iTrader: 0 reviews	help me with clutch upgrade on an 04 cobra Hey guys, just recently picked up my 2004 cobra, and I'm already wanting to get rid of the POS stock clutch. The previous owner said the car dynoed a few years ago just over 500 at the wheels, and you can really feel the clutch slip if you get into it. I only plan on modding more, so I'm wanting to go to a stage 2 clutch. I saw AM has Spec kits, but I've read bad things about them. I only wanna do this upgrade once, so if anyone can steer me in the right direction, I'd be very appreciative.

April 26th, 2011, 11:19 AM	#2
Aceswild 02 Hardcore Enthusiast 2003 Cobra (vert) Join Date: May 2010 Location: Augusta & Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,983 iTrader: 1 reviews	I have heard bad things about the TOB on all spec clutches except for the 3+. That is the one I have and I love it. Holds power great and there is absolutley no slipping. Everyone else I have talked to with a 3+ hasnt had a problem with it. __________________ MM Cobra Club #2.6

April 26th, 2011, 06:24 PM	#4
Aceswild 02 Hardcore Enthusiast 2003 Cobra (vert) Join Date: May 2010 Location: Augusta & Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,983 iTrader: 1 reviews	I love it. I daily drive my cobra and the 3+ is fine once you get used to it on the street. It took some getting used to though for a dd. Its a lot easier than the stage 3. __________________ MM Cobra Club #2.6

April 26th, 2011, 06:36 PM	#6
Aceswild 02 Hardcore Enthusiast 2003 Cobra (vert) Join Date: May 2010 Location: Augusta & Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,983 iTrader: 1 reviews	Stage 3, even though its a street/strip clutch, is pretty much better off on a track car imo. The drivability of the 3+ is a lot better, however its still very grippy. no need to feather it __________________ MM Cobra Club #2.6

April 26th, 2011, 07:34 PM	#8
mfj Banned 2001 Cobra Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Hot Town, AZ Posts: 416 iTrader: 0 reviews	I make over 700 lbs-ft of torque at the wheels and I am running the 3+. I have zero complaints! __________________ 2001 Cobra- Stroked/Poked/Cammed/Blown 1996 Cobra- CF Clutch/STS/Lowered/CAI- otherwise stock... The daily driver... [SIZE="5"][B][COLOR="Blue"]MM Cobra Club #3.4[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE] [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

April 26th, 2011, 06:21 PM	#3
xslobcorex Regular 2004 Cobra Join Date: May 2010 Location: suburban philly Posts: 196 iTrader: 0 reviews	How do you like the 3+ on the street? I'm gonna be daily driving the car and possibly getting into autocross with a friend. I wouldn't want the stage 2 to slip on me.

April 26th, 2011, 06:32 PM	#5
xslobcorex Regular 2004 Cobra Join Date: May 2010 Location: suburban philly Posts: 196 iTrader: 0 reviews	In what way is it different? I had a stage 2 in my GT and you could pretty much 'pop' the clutch out in any gear without giving it gas and it would roll. I like to rip through the gears rather quick, and I'm not really a fan of feathering the clutch or anything

April 26th, 2011, 06:48 PM	#7
xslobcorex Regular 2004 Cobra Join Date: May 2010 Location: suburban philly Posts: 196 iTrader: 0 reviews	Alright I may have to look into that. I like grippy lol

April 26th, 2011, 08:08 PM	#10
EvilBlack Newbie Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Erie, CO Posts: 46 iTrader: 0 reviews	3+ is what i am running as well. Just passed the 500 mile break in so I can finally tear it up. I am at 600 RWHP myself. Clutch best price plus free shipping found at http://www.lmperformance.com/44619/101.html Get a 26 spline upgrade from here Liberty Gear : Performance Parts - Ford Mustang - Cobra - Dodge Viper - Chevy Corvette - C6 - LS1 Get this D&D Performance - BC24 T-56 Billet Cobra Guide Tube Then use FRPP TOB and Pilot from D&D. Also get a Cobra Bob shifter gasket and fill it up with Penzoil Synchromesh. You will love it. __________________ Born 03/26/04 #3682 of 3,768. Only 85 coupes built after mine. 3/31/04 THE LAST COBRA WAS BUILT. 2.6L KB, 63#, Griggs GR-40, Koni, lots of crap MM Cobra Club #666

April 26th, 2011, 11:04 PM	#13
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,540 iTrader: 8 reviews	i ran a sepc 3, loved the hell out of it. i going back to one for a little while till i get a 26 spline input for my t45. the 3+ feels about the same to me. i like the spec 2 as well, although they can be stiff. as for the TOB, i have had trouble with all of them except for an oem, maybe thats just my luck??? __________________ project warhorse under construction wagon burner under construction as well (04 lightning) being built by MP2 Performance

April 27th, 2011, 07:10 AM	#15
Aceswild 02 Hardcore Enthusiast 2003 Cobra (vert) Join Date: May 2010 Location: Augusta & Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,983 iTrader: 1 reviews	Does that gasket really make a big difference? __________________ MM Cobra Club #2.6

April 27th, 2011, 09:25 AM	#17
Aceswild 02 Hardcore Enthusiast 2003 Cobra (vert) Join Date: May 2010 Location: Augusta & Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,983 iTrader: 1 reviews	Mine isnt all that loud anyway. I put a good bit of gasket maker on mine when I installed it though. __________________ MM Cobra Club #2.6

April 27th, 2011, 11:42 AM	#18
EvilBlack Newbie Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Erie, CO Posts: 46 iTrader: 0 reviews	Not THAT huge of a difference, just one of those items that makes a project seem complete. I try to get stuff buttoned up once and not screw with the same issues over and over. T56 noise and notchy shifting seems to be a pretty common complaint, so when I did my clutch I just tried to cover each of the common items that need repair from the block back to the driveshaft. __________________ Born 03/26/04 #3682 of 3,768. Only 85 coupes built after mine. 3/31/04 THE LAST COBRA WAS BUILT. 2.6L KB, 63#, Griggs GR-40, Koni, lots of crap MM Cobra Club #666

April 27th, 2011, 01:07 PM	#19
Aceswild 02 Hardcore Enthusiast 2003 Cobra (vert) Join Date: May 2010 Location: Augusta & Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,983 iTrader: 1 reviews	Gotcha...mine is really not very noisy and shifts pretty damn smooth, once I swapped the B&M shifter for the Tri-ax anyways. __________________ MM Cobra Club #2.6

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