[Black02GT]

its not a fact. anything you want to know about mach 1's

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[BullittCoast]

In Sean Hyland's book, he says that the Mach 1 has the same heads as the 03-04 Cobras. The intake cam is the same as the aviator intake came. Exhaust is same as Cobra.

[ReverendDexter]

so am I to understand that a bolt-on B-port car is only likely to get ~300hp to the tires?

[Ryan Paymaster]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter so am I to understand that a bolt-on B-port car is only likely to get ~300hp to the tires?

You may be looking at a little more if you have full bolt-ons and a good tune.

Remember, horsepower isn't exactly everything. You have to take into account any weight reduction, suspension, tires & traction, better aftermarket parts such as driveshafts, etc.

Only 300hp to the rear wheels is actually quite good for these cars.

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by Ryan Paymaster Remember, horsepower isn't exactly everything. You have to take into account any weight reduction, suspension, tires & traction, better aftermarket parts such as driveshafts, etc.

heh, I'm the last person you have to tell that to. I'm usually the guy telling people to knock it off chasing hp and go for suspension.

I was just curious what was possible on these motors before you had to go to boost or juice.

[03 R Code]

I've only got 3 bolt on's for power and I'm over 300 at the wheels. If I had full exhaust, UDP's, larger TB, and an aluminum ds I think I'd be pretty close to 340-350ish rwhp. Not sure if everyone thinks of an aluminum ds as bolt on, but maybe even a light weight flywheel to free up some more ponies at the wheels...

With ported heads and intake and some agressive cams I could see a Mach well over 425rwhp,probably closer to 450, and if I had a balanced rotating assembly with all the bells and whistles and some higher compression there's no reason that a n/a Mach couldn't be very close to 500hp... Would probably have to run higher than a 93 octane fuel, very agressive port work on the intake and heads, and some not too street friendly cams to get that # though...

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by 03 R Code I've only got 3 bolt on's for power and I'm over 300 at the wheels.

What 3 mods? And do you have a dyno sheet?

Originally Posted by 03 R Code If I had full exhaust, UDP's, larger TB, and an aluminum ds I think I'd be pretty close to 340-350ish rwhp.

So you're saying that exhaust, pulleys, a throttle body, and driveshaft are worth 40-50hp to the tires?

Originally Posted by 03 R Code Not sure if everyone thinks of an aluminum ds as bolt on, but maybe even a light weight flywheel to free up some more ponies at the wheels... With ported heads and intake and some agressive cams I could see a Mach well over 425rwhp,probably closer to 450, and if I had a balanced rotating assembly with all the bells and whistles and some higher compression there's no reason that a n/a Mach couldn't be very close to 500hp... Would probably have to run higher than a 93 octane fuel, very agressive port work on the intake and heads, and some not too street friendly cams to get that # though...

Okay, so, a naturally aspirated Ford 4.6L DOHC engine should be able to pull down over 105hp/L? Really?

Can you show me a DOHC V8 that's getting that kind of efficiency without using some fancy-pants variable cam timing or profiles or the like? I mean, yes, a Ferrari F430 pulls 480+ hp, but they're doing it at 8500 rpm using 5v heads and variable everything.

I'm not doubting the possibility, but I am doubting that this almost-500 hp will be anything more than a drag race engine, and for the cost, you could have a *streetable* 6-700 hp 4.6L with boost.

And, for the record, my question about 300rwhp was specific to the early b-port cars, not the later 4vs.

[03 R Code]

K&N intake tube, off road x pype and weld in Flow Masters. I forgot about the tune. So that makes 4. I've got a dyno sheet somewhere, got it in an e-mail from the tuner and it's in .pdf format. It may take some time to find it...


I've heard that full length headers and free flow exhaust back are worth close to 40 alone. Haven't done it myself but that's the word on the streets.


I was trying to say that near 500hp would not be streetable... Guess I wasn't clear enough. I don't think that I would want to be driving it around daily, or even on a cruise for that matter! That's kinda what I meant with "all the bells and whistles" from a windage tray to lightening the crank shaft and lightweight on everything possible, plus some very agressive cams and super high compression.

[beckerb]

Originally Posted by 03 R Code I've only got 3 bolt on's for power and I'm over 300 at the wheels. If I had full exhaust, UDP's, larger TB, and an aluminum ds I think I'd be pretty close to 340-350ish rwhp. Not sure if everyone thinks of an aluminum ds as bolt on, but maybe even a light weight flywheel to free up some more ponies at the wheels... With ported heads and intake and some agressive cams I could see a Mach well over 425rwhp,probably closer to 450, and if I had a balanced rotating assembly with all the bells and whistles and some higher compression there's no reason that a n/a Mach couldn't be very close to 500hp... Would probably have to run higher than a 93 octane fuel, very agressive port work on the intake and heads, and some not too street friendly cams to get that # though...

There is a far easier way to get over 500rwhp out of these cars. Bolt on a pro-charger and supporting modes. I have BBK headers and header backs exhaust with an X-Pipe, 410 gears, stage 3 clutch, 2 cobra fuel pumps, 60lb infectors, Diablo Mafis, SCT Chip and a pro-charger D1SC with 3 core intercooler. Dyno'ed at 535 rwhp and 465 rwt on pump gas. (Dyno-Jet)

[03 R Code]

We all know it's much easier to get that power with FI or nitrous. But we were talking N/A numbers out of a 4.6 block.

[03MachMe]

im sry but im going to have to call BS on the 450 hp NA and the 40hp you would gain from LTs and a free flowing exhaust would assume your going from stock your already have the x so your prolly only going to gain about 20-25 i would say if you got LTs and a cat back. i think with some aggressive cams and ported head you would be lucky to see 400 but hey i could be wrong. and as far as the arguement on the cams being diffrent in the 03/04 cobras and the mach they are not. they are the same look up the part numbers.

[weems]

Originally Posted by 03MachMe im sry but im going to have to call BS on the 450 hp NA and the 40hp you would gain from LTs and a free flowing exhaust would assume your going from stock your already have the x so your prolly only going to gain about 20-25 i would say if you got LTs and a cat back. i think with some aggressive cams and ported head you would be lucky to see 400 but hey i could be wrong. and as far as the arguement on the cams being diffrent in the 03/04 cobras and the mach they are not. they are the same look up the part numbers.

Doc8224 is building a 450 hp N/A mach as we speak.

[bitemark46]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter so am I to understand that a bolt-on B-port car is only likely to get ~300hp to the tires?

Highest bolt-on B headed cars made 300-310rwhp. By adding a shortrunner intake they can make 320-330rwhp. Mine made 325rwhp 300rwtq with the shortrunner. -Mark

[oc192]

I added just about every bolt-on known for the Mach 1 and I'm at 371 rwhp. That's not including the headers/TB. In the process of doing a 302 stroker. The heads cams and valve system will come later. A company in Kentucky are doing great things by increase the valve size with the port/polish of the heads. They are able to get another 100 rwhp just from the all the head work. But it's expensive and worth the money.

[bitemark46]

Originally Posted by oc192 I added just about every bolt-on known for the Mach 1 and I'm at 371 rwhp. That's not including the headers/TB. In the process of doing a 302 stroker. The heads cams and valve system will come later. A company in Kentucky are doing great things by increase the valve size with the port/polish of the heads. They are able to get another 100 rwhp just from the all the head work. But it's expensive and worth the money.

Thats awfully high. What do you consider bolt-ons? Highest that I heard/saw on mach1registry was 345ish rwhp by Bill (Angus66).

[weems]

yeah that sounds very high to me also. mod list?

[oc192]

MOTOBLUE H.O. Water Pump Pulley
MOTOBLUE H.O. Power Balancer Pulley
MSD Ignition Blaster Coil-On-Plugs
NGK V-Power Spark Plugs
C&L Cold-Air/Trueflow
Inlet Pipe Kit
I have SLP Loudmouth cat-back and X-Pipe but in the process of switching to the Bassani (TOO LOUD)
SPEC 3+ Clutch Kit
SPEC Aluminum Flywheel
FORD FRPP Aluminum Drive Shaft

[bitemark46]

Originally Posted by oc192 MOTOBLUE H.O. Water Pump Pulley MOTOBLUE H.O. Power Balancer Pulley MSD Ignition Blaster Coil-On-Plugs NGK V-Power Spark Plugs C&L Cold-Air/Trueflow Inlet Pipe Kit I have SLP Loudmouth cat-back and X-Pipe but in the process of switching to the Bassani (TOO LOUD) SPEC 3+ Clutch Kit SPEC Aluminum Flywheel FORD FRPP Aluminum Drive Shaft

That's it? So basically you have pullies, exhaust, CAI. I don't think you're anywhere near 371rwhp. Flywheel "maybe" but not at the tires. Where did you get it dynoed at? With those mods I'd guess between 290-310rwhp.

-Mark

[acidtonic]

Originally Posted by bitemark46 That's it? So basically you have pullies, exhaust, CAI. I don't think you're anywhere near 371rwhp. Flywheel "maybe" but not at the tires. Where did you get it dynoed at? With those mods I'd guess between 290-310rwhp. -Mark

+1 unless he has some wicked tune and race gas I dont see that either. I'll give him a chance to explain or post numbers.

[Reloaded]

Wow. And I'm making 700 to the wheels with a stock Eaton on the stock block...