[Mach Boy]

TB spacer goes between the TB and the lid of the intake. The intake spacer goes between the lid and the intake.

[Doc8224]

I still say the full C&L setup is better. Plus if you get their MAF and Inlet it gives you the right afr with no tuning required. MMR has the intake spacer now as well for $89

[Mach Boy]

How thick is it?

[armymike63b]

whats the diff. between the jlt and c&l besides the maf because i have been told i dont need that

[Doc8224]

Originally Posted by Mach Boy How thick is it?

Its the same as the PHP one.

Originally Posted by armymike63b whats the diff. between the jlt and c&l besides the maf because i have been told i dont need that

Material, design.etc. C&L's inlet is cast aluminum and JLT's is pvc. I know the JLT is a touch cheaper on their inlet pipes but I think the fit and finish of the C&L is better. The MAF is one of those debated topics. If you aren't going to do any more mods then no you don't need it. But the C&L MAF is a great design and flows alot more than the stocker. The C&L MAF and inlet is very nice gain on a stock Mach 1. Here are some dyno charts from C&L for the MAF and Inlet. JLT vs C&L is a big debated topic as well. Alot of guys love the JLT and alot of em don't.

[armymike63b]

i have no clue which one to get now lol

[ECUSVT31]

ive got the jlt and i like it alot. it realy is a big debate and its all personal preference. go with what you feel will be the best because i dont think youre gonna get a clear-cut answer

[Doc8224]

These dyno charts are why I went with the C&L Maf and Inlet. the increased power below peak is substantial. It gave a best increase of 20ft/lbs at the wheels at 4k rpm and 17hp at the wheels at 4k rpm. Its the power gain below the curve that I was after and it that catagory the C&L shines.

http://cnlperformance.com/images/Mach1DynoHP.jpg
http://cnlperformance.com/images/Mach1DynoTQ.jpg



C&L Trueflow MAF system for 03-04 Mach 1 Mustangs

[01LaserRedCobra]

if you get the jlt you will need a tune. I installed my o/r h and jlt CAI on saturday and by the time my tuner got in on wednesday i was running really rich. so a tuner is a must

[futureMACH1racer]

I say get get the C&L IMHO. It's a better quality part.

[chris1]

Originally Posted by futureMACH1racer I say get get the C&L IMHO. It's a better quality part.

I say get the JLT RAI, but maybe i'm being a little bias just like all the others.

[futureMACH1racer]

JLT is a plastic part that you must assemble. I ordered one and sent it back after viewing it. I kept the C&L, it looks better, is easier to install, and is going to last a heck of alot longer. IMHO, and no it's called being biased, it's a matter of opinion.

[chris1]

Originally Posted by futureMACH1racer JLT is a plastic part that you must assemble. I ordered one and sent it back after viewing it. I kept the C&L, it looks better, is easier to install, and is going to last a heck of alot longer. IMHO, and no it's called being biased, it's a matter of opinion.

Lets not get defensive there pal. Theres sooo much bickering and whining on how this unit happens to fits, look, work etc etc. Then they purchase this other alternative (C&L) and swear that it happens to be the mother of all mods. C'mon man its a "BIASED" opinion..(lol)

In conclusion the JLT is in no way a difficult unit to assemble.
Looks better? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Last longer? Under what conditions, temps have you analyzed this?

Overall both units will net nearly the same amount its just up to you to make the grand decisio.

[armymike63b]

so with the the jlt rai and the c&l will i need a tune or will i be good

[armymike63b]

ok i have a pretty much stock mach 1 except for o/r x-pipe and flowmasters which would be better to get the air fuel ratio back to normal jlt or c&l and will i need a tuner

[Doc8224]

I have seen more people need tunes with the jlt than with the c&l. I personaly didn't need one with my c&l, but like I said before if you get the maf and inlet from c&l it will set the afr for you. Either inlet will get you about the same power. Mine was great because it has a built in nitrous bung for my nitrous nozzle.

[OneBoredGuy]

You dont NEED a tune for either. JLT will probably make you run rich. C&L for me anyways didn't really make me run and richer or leaner than I already was. A tune will add even more power on top of what you already gained from the JLT or C&L plus correct any richness you get if you get any at all. I know less than half of what a lot of the people here know though but the C&L and tune worked nicely on my car.

[chris1]

Originally Posted by armymike63b ok i have a pretty much stock mach 1 except for o/r x-pipe and flowmasters which would be better to get the air fuel ratio back to normal jlt or c&l and will i need a tuner

Isn't this nearly the same exact question you asked in a previous thread. there are poeple over there who have done more than answer your question.

[futureMACH1racer]

Originally Posted by chris1 Lets not get defensive there pal. Theres sooo much bickering and whining on how this unit happens to fits, look, work etc etc. Then they purchase this other alternative (C&L) and swear that it happens to be the mother of all mods. C'mon man its a "BIASED" opinion..(lol) In conclusion the JLT is in no way a difficult unit to assemble. Looks better? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Last longer? Under what conditions, temps have you analyzed this? Overall both units will net nearly the same amount its just up to you to make the grand decisio.

Well, you're correct to a degree. I have owned both items I feel since that I'm more than capable of making a proper comparaison of the two. I simply didn't like the JLT Product, after looking at how it was constructed, I would shy away from buying another one. A metal part in general is always goig to be stronger than plastic. That is fact not "biased opinion" I like the look of the metal pipe, over the painted to match assembly. Just my honest opinion. I'm not getting denfensive I'm clearly stating what I'm saying, and I'm saying how it's meant to be said.

Goodluck with whatever RAI or CAI you decide to get buddy.

[futureMACH1racer]

Originally Posted by chris1 Isn't this nearly the same exact question you asked in a previous thread. there are poeple over there who have done more than answer your question.

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