[Black02GT]

i make decent money and will be making even more by the time my car hits 100k

im sure not gona drive this thing forever smoking the way it is. i went to the mall earlyer and was on this back road and a car was going slooooooww and finally turned off. i down shifted to second and left the car behind me in a little cloud... the things definatly burning oil. ive checked the oil every time i get in and its still on max..

[Ryan Paymaster]

Originally Posted by weems i hope you got some serious cash.

The only issue that I have is he has nearly the same issue I have but mine is way less sever than his. I don't really mind mine so much anymore as it's really calmed down a lot. It's figuring out what's causing it, I'm inspired to go do a compression and leakdown test but I just don't feel like spending the cash.

[Black02GT]

yeah.. ive thought about this alot.. and i think im going to either trade it for a 03/04 cobra. or rebuild at 100k miles, bore and stroke with forged internals.. something like that.. i definatly cant afford for the car to be not driven.. i aint paying a payment on a car thats falling apart. its either going to be fixed before long or traded and at this point i think my modding is come to a hault.

or trade for the new camaro pending a test drive

[cobraetti]

Its a nice car, I thinks every things ok w/ it

[Black02GT]

well i gave it hell tonite. handed a ls1 gto his ass, a civic ex( lmao he asked for it he kept revving at me and gunning it beside me ) , a cadilac( he asked for it too, kept burnin out from redlight to redlight and taunting me by yelling pussy), then almost raced a 05+ gt stang but he turned off before we got an opening to race

seems like the machs running good. maybe ill just go as planned and forget this even happend. only im still going to check the oil constantly and see. as of now its been three days and the oil is still on max so aparently its not burning it fast at all. i think im still going to continue my money savings for the procharger and if anything bad happens to the engine before then , ill still have some money to fall back on . when it gets tore down ill definatly cam it and change those valve stem seals

[Black02GT]

blah. i changed the oil thursday night.. ive been checking everyday.. didnt notice a change. today i checked and had to add about half to 3/4 of a quart. aparently its burning it pretty fast.. now i want to trade.

[Doc8224]

Get those valve seals replaced and see if it doesn't stop. I am sure it will. Are you absolutely positive there is no leak?

[Black02GT]

ive not seen any oil on the ground where i park. and it smokes on start up, and wot it will leave people in a cloud.

i highly doubt i can afford a valve seal job. labor is going to rape me. my brother had to have his heads took off of his f150 and they told him $1500

[Black02GT]

i got a local guy here that is willing to do the tear down. still waiting on a price and he said it would be a week or two before he could do it. guess ill just cross my fingers and hope this shits cheap.

[Ryan Paymaster]

Get a leakdown test, that will tell you if it's valve seals or not.

[Black02GT]

where can you get one of those done ? like what kind of shop does that? and how much do they generally cost? roughly.

[Black02GT]

weird... no smoke at start up but a minute later....

btw the weather was like.. 65-70 ?

YouTube - my piece smoking

[Ryan Paymaster]

Originally Posted by Black02GT where can you get one of those done ? like what kind of shop does that? and how much do they generally cost? roughly.

The guy that I've dealt with (I really like him and he's extremely helpful. He backs his work up and does great work but I sometimes believe he is a bit expensive; just a side note) said one hour of labor @ $85. If you find someone else it may be cheaper and they might do a compression test too. Another option is to research how to do this yourself or find someone in your area to give you a hand. You might meet someone at a Mustang meet or car show who would be more than glad to give you a hand. Actually there are probably write-ups done on how to do it online.


When did the car start smoking? Was it after a modification? Your smoking issue is really bad, I don't think anyone could tell you what's going on there. Check your coolant levels, your oil color for coolant in it, coolant color for oil in it. Pull your spark plugs, see if you have oil on any of the tips. I'm assuming you know what a "good" looking spark plug looks like.

The cheapest option that probably won't do anything is check to make sure your PCV system is working. It's a whole $8 to replace.

[Black02GT]

it was just before i did the x pipe i had noticed slight smoking but hardly anything to even say a word about. then it progressivly got worse.

today i took the car to the dealer.. turns out the extended warranty that i bought is still in effect. its a power train warranty and they said if it is indeed the valve stem seals that it should be covered. which means I pay $100 deductable and im good to go..

if not. i pay $120 for the ' testing' and they will tell me what the issue was, and ill have a local guy that does it on the side tear it down and do the work since it will be way cheaper that way.

but everyone and their granmaw is telling me its the valve seals. and its their first guess and they are firm on it. ive had a few people suggest rings then they would change their mind and say i bet it is them damned valve seals..

oil looks good. coolant is like half an inch below the max line.

the dealer suggested it might be the pcv and said its a $14 replacement. he said they get clogged up. now this is the little tube that comes off the valve cover and hooks into the CAI with a rubber like.. 90 degree bend hose isnt it? either way that parts covered also i think. plus i think they will top all fluids off etc.. ide rather them do the tests and just be sure that my baby is working internaly and if not i need to get it fixed. the car has 75,8xx miles.. the warranty runs out at 77,5xx so im cutting is close as it is.

[Black02GT]

also here is whats covered on the plan i purchased when i bought the car..

ENGINE
• All Internal Lubricated Parts
• Cylinder Block
• Cylinder Heads
• Flywheel
• Manifold (Exhaust and Intake)
• Manifold and Bolts
• Oil Pan
• Oil Pump
• Seals and Gaskets
• Thermostat
• Thermostat Housing
• Timing Chain Cover
• Timing Chain (Gears or Belt)
• Turbocharger/Supercharger Unit (Factory-Installed)
• Valve Covers
• Water Pump
TRANSMISSION
• All Internal Parts
• Seals and Gaskets
• Torque Converter
• Transfer Case (Including All Internal Parts)
• Transmission Case
REAR-WHEEL DRIVE
• Axle Shafts
• Bearings (Front and Rear)
• Drive Axle Housing (Including All Internal Parts)
• Driveshaft
• Retainers
• Seals and Gaskets
• Universal and Constant Velocity Joints
FRONT WHEEL DRIVE
• Axle Shafts
• Bearings (Front and Rear)
• Final Drive Housing (Including All Internal Parts)
• Hubs, Automatic Front Locking
(Four-wheel Drive)
• Locking Rings (Four-wheel Drive)
• Seals and Gaskets
• Universal and Constant Velocity Joints

[Ryan Paymaster]

You are ridiculously lucky the car is under warranty. If you ever search other forums there are a ton of other people reporting similar problems out of their 4v.

Please let me know what the dealer says so I can pinpoint my issue also. Unfortunately 1996 warranty ran out about a decade ago.

[Black02GT]

well if it is infact the seals im covered. the guy seems to think it is from what he told me..aparently i pay $100 deductable if its ' warranty work' and if not then i pay $120 to possilby $200 for the ' testing ' but said more than likely just $120. I hope and pray my car can be saved by the factory. i would love to have the satisfaction of the dealer doing it but if its not under warranty work then no chance in hell that ill have them do the work at $100+ an hour labor ( just a wild guess and probably over exhadurating..)

[Black02GT]

ok i picked my car up today.. they made me come get it..

i guess the checks they did didnt tell them anything..

he never mentioned them.and i forgot to ask..

basicly he did say that they have to tear into it to find the problem and fix it. its all covered under the warranty as long as i can prove it is burning oil.. so i had to pay $45 for a oil change and they documented the miles. i have to come back every 200-250 miles and let them check the oil level and they will document it and refil the oil. but every 200 or so i have to just show up and let them check it real fast and then go on. i have to stop in 5 times.. meaning it is going to add 1k miles on m y car before its over with.. leaving only 600 miles left on the warranty. they are PUSHING it close but he says as long as it proves to burn oil each visit that they will tear into it and find out whats up, & fix it all for free. minus my $100 deductable

im wondering why they couldnt figure out whats wrong with it by running the ' tests' that they claim cost $120-250 bucks? so weird . unless he didnt mention it. but if they found anything wrong in the tests wouldn't that mean they had to fix it anyways? what are the posibilitys that its something wrong that the test cant pick up or tell you about? what other issues could it be?? does this ' testing' not check for valve seal leaks with pressurized air?

[Ryan Paymaster]

I dunno, I would have asked them why I paid $250 for tests. Hell, for that price I would have asked for the compression test results, leak-down, and I'm sure they could check air fuel ratios and such as well.

Personally if my motor wasn't burning oil I would be sucking out half a quart with my own mouth every 200 miles. Did you tell them to rag on the motor and they'll see smoke? Anyone with eyeballs could see that and say, "Well, a 2003 motor isn't supposed to blow James Bond smoke screens so we'll fix it with whatever it takes." Also I'm surprised that they didn't see that smoke. Most mechanics should be able to, by sight and through their own smell say, "Yeah, that's oil and that's definitely smoke. We'll have to tear into it and see."

I dunno, hopefully it works out in your favor. I never trust dealership repair departments. I was always amazed at how shady they are and how horrible the customer service is. You're not asking them to install a supercharger and cams, you're asking them to back up their product that you paid money for them to do so.

I'm skeptical on dealerships especially with warranty work. I think they're going to shove it on you. If you would have walked in there and paid $250 for the tests and never said it was under warranty I would put money on it they'd have come back and said, "Yeah, you need new rings, valves, valve springs, pistons, oil pan, radio, leather seat controller, and a windshield fluid resevoir."

[Black02GT]

lmfao. true that!


i didnt have to pay for anything but the oil change. the ' tests' i only was only supposed to have to pay for if the results werent' found in the test. so maybe they did find something. bc they sure didnt charge me for it. but if they found something in the tests then whats the issue? they should fix the problem no questions asked.

i hope it works out also, he never mentioned if he seen the smoke. hes more or less worried about making the warranty cover it. the warranty place wants documented proof that the cars leaking .. not just my word. and seeing as how i didnt have any documentation of previous oil changes with the dealerships this is the result. i did my own oil changes.. so.. and i just remembered i still had two free oil changes from them and i forgot to use one today so i should get reimbursed for it on my next visit i hope.

yeah all im asking is to fix what i bought! i paid 19k for the car and 2500 for the extended warranty.. and this is what i get. ill speak with the manager after this oil leak test is done if they dont want to cover it. right now im getting on it twice as much to make sure its burning enough oil off to show on the dip stick.. i had the 20w50 in it with lucas and now they replaced it with 5w20 so this oil consumption test shouldnt be an issue at all. i just hope it keeps burning it off in my favor so i can get the issue fixed UNDER warranty damnit! if they dont do this im raising hell and they will drag me out in hand cuffs. ill pitch a damn fit