Oil Leak.

thewayshemoves · January 14th, 2009, 11:03 PM

Jordan (Jornez) wanted to post this about his fox. When we brought it to his house there was an oil leak, there was oil all over the engine and stuff, but his valve covers were warped so it was leaking like a son of a bitch from there. He got new valve covers and gaskets and it didn't leak for a few days so we thought we had it. Today he noticed that after sitting all night it created a new puddle of oil, and the oil when he checked it on the dipstick was really runny and kind of foamy. We thought it might the head gasket, but there's no other symptoms. No smoke, No oil in coolant, etc. Any ideas?

87gtmustang · January 14th, 2009, 11:10 PM

nothing to really do with it but how would oil get in the radiator/ coolant

thewayshemoves · January 14th, 2009, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by 87gtmustang

nothing to really do with it but how would oil get in the radiator/ coolant

I don't know what I was even talking about there, I was thinking about why the oil looked so funny and was thinking about coolant in the oil or something I don't know, anyway, no idea what could cause that?

Traidmarx · January 14th, 2009, 11:24 PM

i mean the obvious a head gasket, other than that its possible that the block could be cracked..

thewayshemoves · January 14th, 2009, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Traidmarx

i mean the obvious a head gasket, other than that its possible that the block could be cracked..

Would a head gasket do nothing but leak oil though? He bought new head gaskets tonight just in case, we're prepared to change them out, we just want to be sure.

Traidmarx · January 14th, 2009, 11:32 PM

i was speaking on why the oil was foamy, as far as the puddle of oil under the car...it could be leaking from a number of places..it sounds familiar though to a guy i know that bought a 89 notch back from a guy who claimed the car had been sitting for months because they couldn't figure out the coolant system issues...and he soon found out that they had apparently let the car keep overheating and warped the block..and oil leaking from around valve covers even after they had replaced them 3 or 4 times.

thewayshemoves · January 14th, 2009, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by Traidmarx

i was speaking on why the oil was foamy, as far as the puddle of oil under the car...it could be leaking from a number of places..it sounds familiar though to a guy i know that bought a 89 notch back from a guy who claimed the car had been sitting for months because they couldn't figure out the coolant system issues...and he soon found out that they had apparently let the car keep overheating and warped the block..and oil leaking from around valve covers even after they had replaced them 3 or 4 times.

Damn I hope that's not what's up.

Traidmarx · January 14th, 2009, 11:35 PM

i meant warped the heads not block sorry...but that could explain why its leaking oil from the valve cover gaskets, and also leaking coolant into the oil. if the heads are warped they're not gonna seat right on the block and the valve covers aren't gonna seat right on top of the heads. i mean chances are if the valve covers are warped it's possible the heads could be warped too.

jtyson8602 · January 14th, 2009, 11:44 PM

sounds like the heads are warped. go ahead and pull them and take them to a machine shop they can tell you. foamy oil could mean that it was overful and the crank was dipping itself into the oil. if theres a bad head gasket you will have milky oil and plenty of smoke. so assume that the valve covers are where the leak is coming from

Iownastang · January 14th, 2009, 11:47 PM

have you checked the rear main?

thewayshemoves · January 14th, 2009, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Iownastang

have you checked the rear main?

Not yet, we thought of that too, but it's been too cold to get out there and really look close. That's something we need to check out too.

Traidmarx · January 14th, 2009, 11:51 PM

but based on where the puddle is you should be able to tell if its the rear main or the valve covers. unless the valve cover is leaking from the very back...

jtyson8602 · January 14th, 2009, 11:55 PM

im gonna shoot a guess out there but if they replaced the valve cover gaskets and it fixed the problem for a few days then started again it wouldn'nt be the rear main seal. that will be a constant leak not sporadic. so all it took was the new gaskets on the valve covers to get saturated and leak(assuming head is warped and there isn't a good seal). but you should be able to tell by looking at the valve covers if thats where the oil is coming from

thewayshemoves · January 14th, 2009, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Traidmarx

but based on where the puddle is you should be able to tell if its the rear main or the valve covers. unless the valve cover is leaking from the very back...

Well...it's kind of everywhere. We're not sure exactly if it's front of back, because when we first noticed, we just immediately changed valve covers, since there was oil all over them anyway, we just assumed it was them. Then driving it, then coming back a few times, etc. We ended up with a huge puddle, and we don't' have a garage since I've moved so it's been too cold to crawl around under it and really check. I just know changing the valve covers didn't help.

jtyson8602 · January 14th, 2009, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Traidmarx

but based on where the puddle is you should be able to tell if its the rear main or the valve covers. unless the valve cover is leaking from the very back...

and your rear main seal is much lower than the valve covers obviously. so if there is oil on the heads you could rule out that seal

Traidmarx · January 14th, 2009, 11:57 PM

yea if you run you're finger all the way around it, you should be able to feel the oil beading up...like i said before i'm pretty sure the heads are warped. especially given the fact that it got hot enough to warp the valve covers.

thewayshemoves · January 14th, 2009, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by jtyson8602

im gonna shoot a guess out there but if they replaced the valve cover gaskets and it fixed the problem for a few days then started again it wouldn'nt be the rear main seal. that will be a constant leak not sporadic. so all it took was the new gaskets on the valve covers to get saturated and leak(assuming head is warped and there isn't a good seal). but you should be able to tell by looking at the valve covers if thats where the oil is coming from

That's what I'm thinking now.

thewayshemoves · January 15th, 2009, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by Traidmarx

yea if you run you're finger all the way around it, you should be able to feel the oil beading up...like i said before i'm pretty sure the heads are warped. especially given the fact that it got hot enough to warp the valve covers.

He was thinking about upgrading heads anyway, so we'll look into that for sure. Thanks man.

Traidmarx · January 15th, 2009, 12:00 AM

best way i can tell you to check it is, to get a white towel, drive the car around for about an hour or so...then come home park the car...pop the hood wrap the towels around both valve covers go check it a few hours later dirty towels means you probably have warped heads.

thewayshemoves · January 15th, 2009, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by Traidmarx

best way i can tell you to check it is, to get a white towel, drive the car around for about an hour or so...then come home park the car...pop the hood wrap the towels around both valve covers go check it a few hours later dirty towels means you probably have warped heads.

Will do. Probably tomorrow. Thanks man.

January 14th, 2009, 11:10 PM	#2
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January 14th, 2009, 11:24 PM	#4
Traidmarx Hardcore Enthusiast 1995 Mustang GT SLOWER THAN OLD PEOPLE FUCK..:-( Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Roanoke,VA Posts: 2,075 iTrader: 0 reviews	i mean the obvious a head gasket, other than that its possible that the block could be cracked.. __________________ 1995 Mustang GT..4.30's,BBK Longtubes, Off Road X-Pipe,Magnaflow Catback,BBK Intake,BBK Underdrive Pulleys Walbro 255lph pump,accel dizzy,MSD Coil,MSD 8.5 Super Conductors,front sway bar removed, more coming soon.

January 14th, 2009, 11:32 PM	#6
Traidmarx Hardcore Enthusiast 1995 Mustang GT SLOWER THAN OLD PEOPLE FUCK..:-( Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Roanoke,VA Posts: 2,075 iTrader: 0 reviews	i was speaking on why the oil was foamy, as far as the puddle of oil under the car...it could be leaking from a number of places..it sounds familiar though to a guy i know that bought a 89 notch back from a guy who claimed the car had been sitting for months because they couldn't figure out the coolant system issues...and he soon found out that they had apparently let the car keep overheating and warped the block..and oil leaking from around valve covers even after they had replaced them 3 or 4 times. __________________ 1995 Mustang GT..4.30's,BBK Longtubes, Off Road X-Pipe,Magnaflow Catback,BBK Intake,BBK Underdrive Pulleys Walbro 255lph pump,accel dizzy,MSD Coil,MSD 8.5 Super Conductors,front sway bar removed, more coming soon.

January 14th, 2009, 11:35 PM	#8
Traidmarx Hardcore Enthusiast 1995 Mustang GT SLOWER THAN OLD PEOPLE FUCK..:-( Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Roanoke,VA Posts: 2,075 iTrader: 0 reviews	i meant warped the heads not block sorry...but that could explain why its leaking oil from the valve cover gaskets, and also leaking coolant into the oil. if the heads are warped they're not gonna seat right on the block and the valve covers aren't gonna seat right on top of the heads. i mean chances are if the valve covers are warped it's possible the heads could be warped too. __________________ 1995 Mustang GT..4.30's,BBK Longtubes, Off Road X-Pipe,Magnaflow Catback,BBK Intake,BBK Underdrive Pulleys Walbro 255lph pump,accel dizzy,MSD Coil,MSD 8.5 Super Conductors,front sway bar removed, more coming soon.

January 14th, 2009, 11:47 PM	#10
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January 14th, 2009, 11:44 PM	#9
jtyson8602 Regular 1986 LX none yet Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Albuquerque New Mexico Posts: 277 iTrader: 0 reviews	sounds like the heads are warped. go ahead and pull them and take them to a machine shop they can tell you. foamy oil could mean that it was overful and the crank was dipping itself into the oil. if theres a bad head gasket you will have milky oil and plenty of smoke. so assume that the valve covers are where the leak is coming from

January 14th, 2009, 11:51 PM	#12
Traidmarx Hardcore Enthusiast 1995 Mustang GT SLOWER THAN OLD PEOPLE FUCK..:-( Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Roanoke,VA Posts: 2,075 iTrader: 0 reviews	but based on where the puddle is you should be able to tell if its the rear main or the valve covers. unless the valve cover is leaking from the very back... __________________ 1995 Mustang GT..4.30's,BBK Longtubes, Off Road X-Pipe,Magnaflow Catback,BBK Intake,BBK Underdrive Pulleys Walbro 255lph pump,accel dizzy,MSD Coil,MSD 8.5 Super Conductors,front sway bar removed, more coming soon.

January 14th, 2009, 11:55 PM	#13
jtyson8602 Regular 1986 LX none yet Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Albuquerque New Mexico Posts: 277 iTrader: 0 reviews	im gonna shoot a guess out there but if they replaced the valve cover gaskets and it fixed the problem for a few days then started again it wouldn'nt be the rear main seal. that will be a constant leak not sporadic. so all it took was the new gaskets on the valve covers to get saturated and leak(assuming head is warped and there isn't a good seal). but you should be able to tell by looking at the valve covers if thats where the oil is coming from

January 14th, 2009, 11:57 PM	#16
Traidmarx Hardcore Enthusiast 1995 Mustang GT SLOWER THAN OLD PEOPLE FUCK..:-( Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Roanoke,VA Posts: 2,075 iTrader: 0 reviews	yea if you run you're finger all the way around it, you should be able to feel the oil beading up...like i said before i'm pretty sure the heads are warped. especially given the fact that it got hot enough to warp the valve covers. __________________ 1995 Mustang GT..4.30's,BBK Longtubes, Off Road X-Pipe,Magnaflow Catback,BBK Intake,BBK Underdrive Pulleys Walbro 255lph pump,accel dizzy,MSD Coil,MSD 8.5 Super Conductors,front sway bar removed, more coming soon.

January 15th, 2009, 12:00 AM	#19
Traidmarx Hardcore Enthusiast 1995 Mustang GT SLOWER THAN OLD PEOPLE FUCK..:-( Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Roanoke,VA Posts: 2,075 iTrader: 0 reviews	best way i can tell you to check it is, to get a white towel, drive the car around for about an hour or so...then come home park the car...pop the hood wrap the towels around both valve covers go check it a few hours later dirty towels means you probably have warped heads. __________________ 1995 Mustang GT..4.30's,BBK Longtubes, Off Road X-Pipe,Magnaflow Catback,BBK Intake,BBK Underdrive Pulleys Walbro 255lph pump,accel dizzy,MSD Coil,MSD 8.5 Super Conductors,front sway bar removed, more coming soon.

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