Dumb 351w Question.

shadowgames81 · February 1st, 2009, 03:52 PM

I know this is prolly a dumb question, but here it goes. If the 302 and 351w are both the same basic block then why can't a stock 5.0 oil pan be used??

86er · February 1st, 2009, 03:58 PM

its the depth of the fox pan that is the problem

shadowgames81 · February 1st, 2009, 04:00 PM

from what I've read its a half inch difference. Why not use the fox pump and fox pan?? why wouldn't allk the fox pieces work then?

C MY 4D · February 1st, 2009, 04:14 PM

main journals are bigger different too.....

shadowgames81 · February 1st, 2009, 04:15 PM

just doesn't make since to me yet.

shadowgames81 · February 1st, 2009, 04:16 PM

maybe for the stroke then?? Makes since if thats it. I'm hopin to order a swap pan soon but wanted to know why a stock pan wouldn't work.

dr.gonzo! · February 1st, 2009, 04:21 PM

The 302 uses a rear-sump pan, the 351W uses a front-sump oil pan, which necessitates a new pickup.

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86er · February 1st, 2009, 04:28 PM

my 351 swap kit uses the rear sump also.......

shadowgames81 · February 2nd, 2009, 05:46 PM

what kit did you go w/ 86er??

86er · February 2nd, 2009, 05:48 PM

ford motorsports kit, it comes with dual sump pan, pick up and stud for the pick up, paid like 155 shipped from holcomb motor sports, its a stock style pan, nothing fancy

trueblue01 · February 2nd, 2009, 06:11 PM

Bolt pattern is a little different as well. Both 5.0 and 5.8 were available with both front and rear sump pans depending on the application. The easiest way is to just buy the Ford Motorsports pan and pickup.

shadowgames81 · February 2nd, 2009, 06:16 PM

Do you see any need to get the 7 quart canton pan or is the 5 quart Ford kit just as good? I found the Ford kit at jegs for 135. Also do you run shorties or long tubes?

White Thunder · February 2nd, 2009, 06:18 PM

with the 7 qt kit you still run 5....keeps some of the oil off the crack helps not to slow it down.....not nessasary for a DD

M L Struck · February 2nd, 2009, 06:22 PM

they are not the same block, 351 has a wider lifter gally,taller deck hieght,wider lower casting, same family ,not same block

shadowgames81 · February 2nd, 2009, 06:24 PM

ahh see I've always been told they were the same just thicker webs, bigger mains, and taller deck height. Good to know. Mine will be a dd and thinkin of getting a windage tray and 7 quart when I stroke it down the road. What headers do any of you guys run w/ it??

86er · February 2nd, 2009, 06:25 PM

um in the 7qt you run 7, it has more room at the bottom of the pan to keep the oil away from the crank........

we run the ford swap pan on severy mid to low 10 sec cars and have no problems, we actually put 6 in the ford pan

shadowgames81 · February 2nd, 2009, 06:30 PM

sounds good 86er. Prolly just get that deal then. Any suggestion for headers? Are lt's worth that much more over the shorties??

White Thunder · February 2nd, 2009, 06:30 PM

i could have sworn i seen darrell say run 5 in the 7....thats what i get for being a internet mechanic

shadowgames81 · February 2nd, 2009, 06:42 PM

damn.....headers anyone? lol

r.barn · February 2nd, 2009, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by shadowgames81

damn.....headers anyone? lol

1 3/4 Long tubes min.

BBK makes a nice set of swap headers

February 1st, 2009, 03:52 PM	#1
shadowgames81 Hardcore Enthusiast 87 Coupe Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 1,220 iTrader: 3 reviews	Dumb 351w Question. I know this is prolly a dumb question, but here it goes. If the 302 and 351w are both the same basic block then why can't a stock 5.0 oil pan be used?? __________________ Eats rice daily

February 1st, 2009, 03:58 PM	#2
86er I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 7,626 iTrader: 0 reviews	its the depth of the fox pan that is the problem __________________ Just a truck 5.4 3v: 264hp 317ft lbs rock stock The "search" button, its not just for porn piecing together the next project faster than your first sexual experience

February 1st, 2009, 04:00 PM	#3
shadowgames81 Hardcore Enthusiast 87 Coupe Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 1,220 iTrader: 3 reviews	from what I've read its a half inch difference. Why not use the fox pump and fox pan?? why wouldn't allk the fox pieces work then? __________________ Eats rice daily

February 1st, 2009, 04:14 PM	#4
C MY 4D Billy Weston 2003 Cobra 11.14@124.36 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 4,806 iTrader: 8 reviews	main journals are bigger different too..... __________________ TT Build in progress....... Need work done to your car for a great price in Hampton Roads? Shoot me a PM.

February 1st, 2009, 04:15 PM	#5
shadowgames81 Hardcore Enthusiast 87 Coupe Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 1,220 iTrader: 3 reviews	just doesn't make since to me yet. __________________ Eats rice daily

February 1st, 2009, 04:16 PM	#6
shadowgames81 Hardcore Enthusiast 87 Coupe Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 1,220 iTrader: 3 reviews	maybe for the stroke then?? Makes since if thats it. I'm hopin to order a swap pan soon but wanted to know why a stock pan wouldn't work. __________________ Eats rice daily

February 1st, 2009, 04:28 PM	#8
86er I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 7,626 iTrader: 0 reviews	my 351 swap kit uses the rear sump also....... __________________ Just a truck 5.4 3v: 264hp 317ft lbs rock stock The "search" button, its not just for porn piecing together the next project faster than your first sexual experience

February 2nd, 2009, 05:46 PM	#9
shadowgames81 Hardcore Enthusiast 87 Coupe Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 1,220 iTrader: 3 reviews	what kit did you go w/ 86er?? __________________ Eats rice daily

February 2nd, 2009, 05:48 PM	#10
86er I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 7,626 iTrader: 0 reviews	ford motorsports kit, it comes with dual sump pan, pick up and stud for the pick up, paid like 155 shipped from holcomb motor sports, its a stock style pan, nothing fancy __________________ Just a truck 5.4 3v: 264hp 317ft lbs rock stock The "search" button, its not just for porn piecing together the next project faster than your first sexual experience

February 2nd, 2009, 06:11 PM	#11
trueblue01 Enthusiast 1989 Mustang LX 10.98@126.7 NA Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: N.E. Ohio Posts: 698 iTrader: 0 reviews	Bolt pattern is a little different as well. Both 5.0 and 5.8 were available with both front and rear sump pans depending on the application. The easiest way is to just buy the Ford Motorsports pan and pickup. __________________ Never fast enough.

February 2nd, 2009, 06:16 PM	#12
shadowgames81 Hardcore Enthusiast 87 Coupe Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 1,220 iTrader: 3 reviews	Do you see any need to get the 7 quart canton pan or is the 5 quart Ford kit just as good? I found the Ford kit at jegs for 135. Also do you run shorties or long tubes? __________________ Eats rice daily

February 2nd, 2009, 06:22 PM	#14
M L Struck Hardcore Enthusiast 85 GT/86 SVO/2010 GT500 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Rossville IN Posts: 1,183 iTrader: 0 reviews	they are not the same block, 351 has a wider lifter gally,taller deck hieght,wider lower casting, same family ,not same block

February 2nd, 2009, 06:24 PM	#15
shadowgames81 Hardcore Enthusiast 87 Coupe Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 1,220 iTrader: 3 reviews	ahh see I've always been told they were the same just thicker webs, bigger mains, and taller deck height. Good to know. Mine will be a dd and thinkin of getting a windage tray and 7 quart when I stroke it down the road. What headers do any of you guys run w/ it?? __________________ Eats rice daily

February 2nd, 2009, 06:25 PM	#16
86er I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 7,626 iTrader: 0 reviews	um in the 7qt you run 7, it has more room at the bottom of the pan to keep the oil away from the crank........ we run the ford swap pan on severy mid to low 10 sec cars and have no problems, we actually put 6 in the ford pan __________________ Just a truck 5.4 3v: 264hp 317ft lbs rock stock The "search" button, its not just for porn piecing together the next project faster than your first sexual experience

February 2nd, 2009, 06:30 PM	#17
shadowgames81 Hardcore Enthusiast 87 Coupe Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 1,220 iTrader: 3 reviews	sounds good 86er. Prolly just get that deal then. Any suggestion for headers? Are lt's worth that much more over the shorties?? __________________ Eats rice daily

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February 2nd, 2009, 06:42 PM	#19
shadowgames81 Hardcore Enthusiast 87 Coupe Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 1,220 iTrader: 3 reviews	damn.....headers anyone? lol __________________ Eats rice daily

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