Cam install problem...

astras · February 16th, 2009, 06:42 PM

So I installed new head gaskets, E cam and put back the stock rockers. Got everything back together and now when I start the car, it idles really rough and stalls. It won't stay running by itself. It's not backfiring or anything like that. Any advice?

Racinjason81 · February 16th, 2009, 06:47 PM

did you change your vacuum lines most of the time they crack with age

astras · February 16th, 2009, 06:49 PM

Yea, I replaced them. If the distributor wasn't set right, would it have these symptoms? I am 99.99% sure I have it stabbed correctly. The car fires right up.

Smirnoff · February 16th, 2009, 07:00 PM

Intake leak Or a massive vaccume leak somewhere?

93mustank · February 17th, 2009, 01:36 AM

Couldnt tell you....Would have to be there.... Where is your timing at???

superbean · February 17th, 2009, 01:37 AM

sounds like a timing issue..

89LX347 · February 17th, 2009, 02:00 AM

could be a stuck lifter (not saying it is for sure). just worked on my friends that had the exact same thing happen. it ran but idled like crap. did you put all the lash to 0? could also be a timing issue

flattusmaximus78 · February 17th, 2009, 03:18 AM

When I put a cam in my car with stock rockers in did the same shit. I used the idle screw to raise the idle, which gave it an idle. At that point it fired up right every time. I then redid my timing starting with piston #1 at top dead center. When I did that and drove the car it finally idled right you could hear the cam, but made no power. Turned out my plugs werent in tight at all. But either way do what I said and it sounds like you'll have a running car in no time..

Arctic Fox · February 17th, 2009, 08:46 AM

Carbed, MAF or speed density?

astras · February 17th, 2009, 10:33 AM

It's a MAF car. I was speaking with someone last night, and they said that the lifters need time to pump up. The timing is set at 10* with the mark on the distributor and the block. I am gonna check the lower intake tonight... I have a feeling that the rear seal slipped. I got a gasket set with the Fel-Pro blue seals that have a lip on them. Gonna install those tonight and see.

grnstang · February 17th, 2009, 11:35 AM

bump it up to 12* at least

93mustank · February 17th, 2009, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by astras

It's a MAF car. I was speaking with someone last night, and they said that the lifters need time to pump up. The timing is set at 10* with the mark on the distributor and the block. I am gonna check the lower intake tonight... I have a feeling that the rear seal slipped. I got a gasket set with the Fel-Pro blue seals that have a lip on them. Gonna install those tonight and see.

So you have no timing light???

Only usin a mark??????

There is your problem.........

astras · February 17th, 2009, 01:00 PM

The mark is a factory spot to set the timing to 10* before the motor is started for the first time. It is used for this purpose.

93mustank · February 17th, 2009, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by astras

The mark is a factory spot to set the timing to 10* before the motor is started for the first time. It is used for this purpose.

Wrong...good luck with that....

Figure out how to time your car first....then come back and report.

Shouldnt ever do a cam install if you dont even own a simple timing light...

astras · February 17th, 2009, 01:18 PM

How am I wrong? I will take a photo of this and show you. And who said I didn't have a timing light? Read my OP and you will see that the car won't stay running. Before you give your $.02 you should understand the problem at hand.

93mustank · February 17th, 2009, 01:20 PM

Did you in fact use a timing light to time the car???

astras · February 17th, 2009, 01:22 PM

THE CAR WON'T STAY RUNNING, the vehicle does not run, the motor will not keep momentum, the air pump has seized to be... how else would you like me to put this?

93mustank · February 17th, 2009, 01:27 PM

Timing will cause the car not to run...did you in fact use a timing light?????????

astras · February 17th, 2009, 01:30 PM

lol, since you are messing with me your advice means nothing. i hope you can comprehend the fact that if an engine doesn't run, then a timing light doesn't do dick.

93mustank · February 17th, 2009, 01:31 PM

Your beating around the bush.... So you did use a timing light?????

February 16th, 2009, 06:47 PM	#2
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February 17th, 2009, 01:36 AM	#5
93mustank Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Phoenix,AZ Posts: 3,014 iTrader: 1 reviews	Couldnt tell you....Would have to be there.... Where is your timing at??? __________________ PeteAndersonRacing.com

February 17th, 2009, 01:37 AM	#6
superbean Hardcore Enthusiast 1998 Cobra 13.24@105.66 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,778 iTrader: 0 reviews	sounds like a timing issue.. __________________ weeee foooord!

February 17th, 2009, 02:00 AM	#7
89LX347 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 iTrader: 0 reviews	could be a stuck lifter (not saying it is for sure). just worked on my friends that had the exact same thing happen. it ran but idled like crap. did you put all the lash to 0? could also be a timing issue __________________ I believe in art when it is not seen. I believe in music when it is not audible. I believe in God when He is silent.

February 17th, 2009, 03:18 AM	#8
flattusmaximus78 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1993 5.ohhhh 12.97 @140mph Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Gatorland Posts: 6,077 iTrader: 3 reviews	When I put a cam in my car with stock rockers in did the same shit. I used the idle screw to raise the idle, which gave it an idle. At that point it fired up right every time. I then redid my timing starting with piston #1 at top dead center. When I did that and drove the car it finally idled right you could hear the cam, but made no power. Turned out my plugs werent in tight at all. But either way do what I said and it sounds like you'll have a running car in no time.. __________________ 02 Pewter z28, hoosiers/lid/exhaust/spray...125mph 1993 gt Sold, already missed --Moates Quarter horse $225-- --Cobra intake $150-- --tremec 3550 bell and shifter $1100--

February 16th, 2009, 06:42 PM	#1
astras Newbie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 35 iTrader: 0 reviews	Cam install problem... So I installed new head gaskets, E cam and put back the stock rockers. Got everything back together and now when I start the car, it idles really rough and stalls. It won't stay running by itself. It's not backfiring or anything like that. Any advice?

February 16th, 2009, 06:49 PM	#3
astras Newbie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 35 iTrader: 0 reviews	Yea, I replaced them. If the distributor wasn't set right, would it have these symptoms? I am 99.99% sure I have it stabbed correctly. The car fires right up.

February 16th, 2009, 07:00 PM	#4
Smirnoff Enthusiast 1982 GT t-top no proof of purchase Join Date: May 2008 Location: N.E.PA Posts: 717 iTrader: 0 reviews	Intake leak Or a massive vaccume leak somewhere?

February 17th, 2009, 08:46 AM	#9
Arctic Fox Enthusiast 1989 GT KB 2.1L Flowzilla Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Old World Posts: 540 iTrader: 0 reviews	Carbed, MAF or speed density?

February 17th, 2009, 10:33 AM	#10
astras Newbie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 35 iTrader: 0 reviews	It's a MAF car. I was speaking with someone last night, and they said that the lifters need time to pump up. The timing is set at 10* with the mark on the distributor and the block. I am gonna check the lower intake tonight... I have a feeling that the rear seal slipped. I got a gasket set with the Fel-Pro blue seals that have a lip on them. Gonna install those tonight and see.

February 17th, 2009, 11:35 AM	#11
grnstang Hardcore Enthusiast 91 LX 13.7@101 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Norwalk OH Posts: 1,426 iTrader: 1 reviews	bump it up to 12* at least __________________

February 17th, 2009, 01:00 PM	#13
astras Newbie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 35 iTrader: 0 reviews	The mark is a factory spot to set the timing to 10* before the motor is started for the first time. It is used for this purpose.

February 17th, 2009, 01:18 PM	#15
astras Newbie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 35 iTrader: 0 reviews	How am I wrong? I will take a photo of this and show you. And who said I didn't have a timing light? Read my OP and you will see that the car won't stay running. Before you give your $.02 you should understand the problem at hand.

February 17th, 2009, 01:20 PM	#16
93mustank Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Phoenix,AZ Posts: 3,014 iTrader: 1 reviews	Did you in fact use a timing light to time the car??? __________________ PeteAndersonRacing.com

February 17th, 2009, 01:22 PM	#17
astras Newbie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 35 iTrader: 0 reviews	THE CAR WON'T STAY RUNNING, the vehicle does not run, the motor will not keep momentum, the air pump has seized to be... how else would you like me to put this?

February 17th, 2009, 01:27 PM	#18
93mustank Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Phoenix,AZ Posts: 3,014 iTrader: 1 reviews	Timing will cause the car not to run...did you in fact use a timing light????????? __________________ PeteAndersonRacing.com

February 17th, 2009, 01:30 PM	#19
astras Newbie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 35 iTrader: 0 reviews	lol, since you are messing with me your advice means nothing. i hope you can comprehend the fact that if an engine doesn't run, then a timing light doesn't do dick.

February 17th, 2009, 01:31 PM	#20
93mustank Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Phoenix,AZ Posts: 3,014 iTrader: 1 reviews	Your beating around the bush.... So you did use a timing light????? __________________ PeteAndersonRacing.com

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