[ATK]

Originally Posted by nolife Sending stock rebuilt replacements out the door en mass as a commodity for 75 years is great and fine for most people that need a replacement engine. Applying the same business processes and potentially random internals and marketing them as high performance for a premium is going to raise questions. They may be outstanding engines but based on the information about the engines on your site, we have no idea what makes it any better than a Jasper reman other than yours contain "forged" parts. Just an observation..

Herein lies the problem...many of you are comparing apples to oranges. (OE replacements vs. the HP offerings)


Since Darrell seems to have an apparent influence on THIS site, I WILL discuss, later today (since it is early Monday morning as I write this) with my webmaster some of the reasons many have posted (listing parts used in each HP build for each specific shortblock, longblock, and complete assembly we offer)


Bear in mind we are not going to be able to wave a magic wand instantly, but, if it influences your decision in regards to buying high performance offerings from ATK engines, then I will suggest changes be made.


All I know is, when I go to Burger King to order a Whopper, I don't sit there and quiz the manager as to which ranch the meat came from, meat processing plant it was slaughtered at, truck it was shipped on, or see if Tommy, my neighbors kid whom I trust working the skillet, is making the burger to my satisfaction so I have peace of mind...

This is an extreme case of splitting hairs...but, I have made notes and will discuss with members of management...

[ATK]

Originally Posted by Darrell If I was a betting man, I'd bet that he can't say what parts they are using because they differ from engine to engine due to the fact that they use whatever is available.

YOU ARE RIGHT! Because not every engine THE HP DIVISION BUILDS is a 302 based 347!


You haven't browsed the entire website...if you did, you'd notice we build engines other than SBF based 302s...but, when we do build one (and we build many), I can assure you parts used in them, other than what a custom build requested by the customer dictates otherwise, has the same components.


The other part of this equation, and what many are missing, is that these are sold outright and we do not charge additional for shipping...that's right, no core, and the prices on our site INCLUDE SHIPPING within the Lower 48 (and slightly more to Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico...whatever, where ever)

Originally Posted by Darrell Probably use alot of blems and bought up items from bankrupt companies so the product line isn't consistent.

No...we only use components/parts from the vendors listed in the FAQ section of our website, which I provided a link to you to read. In fact, we purchase DAILY from Edelbrock, Summit, Jegs, etc...the very same thing many racers/hot rodders do, except we do it on a much larger scale.



Sorry to anyone else reading this, however, our focus is, and always will be, to build engines - not make accusations on the internet or attempt to slander.

[89lx]

so what comes in the $2755 block you still havent answered that ?

[M L Struck]

What would consern me is that you say you use this brand or that brand parts to build engines unless your customer asks for somthing different. The shop that has done my last 4 or 5 engines only uses proven parts. I can ask for Probe (example) pistons, but if he has never used that brand before he will not put his name on it until he is happy with said parts performance. It sounds like you will just use any part anyone has to offer.

[baine21225]

I'll be you friend ATK

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by ATK All I know is, when I go to Burger King to order a Whopper, I don't sit there and quiz the manager as to which ranch the meat came from, meat processing plant it was slaughtered at, truck it was shipped on, or see if Tommy, my neighbors kid whom I trust working the skillet, is making the burger to my satisfaction so I have peace of mind... This is an extreme case of splitting hairs...but, I have made notes and will discuss with members of management...

Are you serious? You are comparing Burger King with your own business that remanufactures engines? If you worked for me I'd fire you for being a dumb ass. If you think people don't car what parts are in there engines then you have no business working in this industry.

[baine21225]

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by ATK YOU ARE RIGHT! Because not every engine THE HP DIVISION BUILDS is a 302 based 347! You haven't browsed the entire website...if you did, you'd notice we build engines other than SBF based 302s...but, when we do build one (and we build many), I can assure you parts used in them, other than what a custom build requested by the customer dictates otherwise, has the same components. The other part of this equation, and what many are missing, is that these are sold outright and we do not charge additional for shipping...that's right, no core, and the prices on our site INCLUDE SHIPPING within the Lower 48 (and slightly more to Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico...whatever, where ever) No...we only use components/parts from the vendors listed in the FAQ section of our website, which I provided a link to you to read. In fact, we purchase DAILY from Edelbrock, Summit, Jegs, etc...the very same thing many racers/hot rodders do, except we do it on a much larger scale. Sorry to anyone else reading this, however, our focus is, and always will be, to build engines - not make accusations on the internet or attempt to slander.

If that is the case then why can't you tell us what parts are used in the 347 link that was posted like many have asked over and over again?

[gotn20]

all i can say to this thread is pwnd sick

[ATK]

Originally Posted by Darrell If that is the case then why can't you tell us what parts are used in the 347 link that was posted like many have asked over and over again?

Here ya go:

SCAT 347 stroker kit 1-45310BE

Originally Posted by Darrell If you worked for me I'd fire you for being a dumb ass. If you think people don't car what parts are in there engines then you have no business working in this industry.

__________________



...and I'll dismiss the yet again relentless badgering you seem to thrive on/instigate

[89LX347]

Since Darrell seems to have an apparent influence on THIS site, I WILL discuss, later today (since it is early Monday morning as I write this) with my webmaster some of the reasons many have posted (listing parts used in each HP build for each specific shortblock, longblock, and complete assembly we offer) Bear in mind we are not going to be able to wave a magic wand instantly, but, if it influences your decision in regards to buying high performance offerings from ATK engines, then I will suggest changes be made.

you should suggest changes be made. and you should either, not withhold information to people on here, or be a bit more knowledgeable. i cant tell which one it is.

All I know is, when I go to Burger King to order a Whopper, I don't sit there and quiz the manager as to which ranch the meat came from, meat processing plant it was slaughtered at, truck it was shipped on, or see if Tommy, my neighbors kid whom I trust working the skillet, is making the burger to my satisfaction so I have peace of mind...This is an extreme case of splitting hairs...but, I have made notes and will discuss with members of management...

wow. burger king and engines people are using for everyday and race applications. big difference. you need to think of better analogy's, and probably just stop making them all together. if a customer calls you wondering what the bearing clearances or what the rings are gapped at, are you gonna say "hey! i dont ask burger king what temperature they cook my whopper at!" maybe you can see where i am coming from.

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by ATK Here ya go: SCAT 347 stroker kit 1-45310BE __________________ ...and I'll dismiss the yet again relentless badgering you seem to thrive on/instigate

So you are saying every one of those 347 kits comes with the SCAT 1-45310BE kit? I guess your assembler is working for free. Its going to be hard to make any money on that set up once you figure in the cost of the block, materials and free shipping. That kit wholesale is what, $1730? I find it odd that you go from saying "We use many different vendors" to "we use SCAT 1-45310BE in all of our 347 kits". Sounds like some flip flopping to me. The kit is a good kit if that is in fact what you are offering for $2700 with free shipping although it is way over kill for a production block.


As far as the "relentless badgering" goes, I'll say it again. I'd fire you for being a dumb ass. Who compares cranks, rods and pistons to indgredients in a Whopper? Who in their right mind that works in your field thinks the customer doesn't care what brand the parts are in their engine? Myself and others asking legitimate questions, you are avoiding them and digging your own hole.

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by 89LX347 you should suggest changes be made. and you should either, not withhold information to people on here, or be a bit more knowledgeable. i cant tell which one it is. wow. burger king and engines people are using for everyday and race applications. big difference. you need to think of better analogy's, and probably just stop making them all together. if a customer calls you wondering what the bearing clearances or what the rings are gapped at, are you gonna say "hey! i dont ask burger king what temperature they cook my whopper at!" maybe you can see where i am coming from.

I always ask what day my lettuce was picked and what temperature the meat was cooked at. I want the best performance out of my heart attack inducing Whopper.

[ATK]

Originally Posted by 89LX347 you should suggest changes be made. and you should either, not withhold information to people on here, or be a bit more knowledgeable. i cant tell which one it is.

Noted...I could not disclose the info before without managements approval to do so. I was merely replying to this website on behalf of the company.

...maybe you can see where i am coming from.

Don't shoot the messenger...its not like i have all day to sit and wait for replies on a message forum...but, yes, I do see where you are coming from - hope you see things from my end as well

[ATK]

Originally Posted by Darrell So you are saying every one of those 347 kits comes with the SCAT 1-45310BE kit? I guess your assembler is working for free. Its going to be hard to make any money on that set up once you figure in the cost of the block, materials and free shipping. That kit wholesale is what, $1730? I find it odd that you go from saying "We use many different vendors" to "we use SCAT 1-45310BE in all of our 347 kits". Sounds like some flip flopping to me. The kit is a good kit if that is in fact what you are offering for $2700 with free shipping although it is way over kill for a production block.

You have no idea how many of these engines we sell everyday...and the SCAT kit is just one of the kits we use. You = one man....ATK = an entire company.

As far as the "relentless badgering" goes, I'll say it again. I'd fire you for being a dumb ass. Who compares cranks, rods and pistons to indgredients in a Whopper? Who in their right mind that works in your field thinks the customer doesn't care what brand the parts are in their engine? Myself and others asking legitimate questions, you are avoiding them and digging your own hole.

It was merely an analogy...sorry you took it so literal - I cannot dumb it down for you any further

[nolife]

Originally Posted by ATK All I know is, when I go to Burger King to order a Whopper, I don't sit there and quiz the manager as to which ranch the meat came from, meat processing plant it was slaughtered at, truck it was shipped on, or see if Tommy, my neighbors kid whom I trust working the skillet, is making the burger to my satisfaction so I have peace of mind...

A Whopper value meal at any BK anywhere in the US is a very consistent product and the same exact thing anywhere is US. I don't know if you know this or not but all big fast food chains business philosophies are based on consistancy and there are books out there describing the reason why they do this. The bottom line is so the consumer knows what they are getting every time they pull up to eat there and they know the value. No surprises

People have no idea what they are getting when they buy one of your short blocks. When you are dealing with enthusiasts, the specific parts are very important, you may not understand that or the reasoning behind it but it is true, this does not just apply to engines either, it is any and every hobby. Ask someone that skies a lot about their equipment, I doubt they will say, "I have no idea what I have on my feet right now or what bindings I have, I bought it all from some place online that said it was good"

[Traidmarx]

so how much would it cost to have my regular cheeseburger stroked out to a double whopper???

[Traidmarx]

oh and upgrade my basic fries, to some chrome moly onion rings???

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by ATK You have no idea how many of these engines we sell everyday...and the SCAT kit is just one of the kits we use. You = one man....ATK = an entire company. It was merely an analogy...sorry you took it so literal - I cannot dumb it down for you any further

So now you are back pedaling again and saying you don't use that kit in all of those 347s specific to that link? This is what I mean by digging a hole. Why don't you just say "We use what we have available at the time of assembly which varies depending on supply and demand." instead of changing your story 3 or 4 times. Can you see why myself and others are taking exception to your statements. Public relations is not one of your better qualities. I'm not understanding what the "You = one man....ATK = an entire company" means....

That analogy was very poor. You compared engines to Whoppers. What's even worse is you don't see the problem with that.

[ATK]

Originally Posted by nolife ... People have no idea what they are getting when they buy one of your short blocks. When you are dealing with enthusiasts, the specific parts are very important, you may not understand that or the reasoning behind it but it is true, this does not just apply to engines either, it is any and every hobby...

You make a valid point and justified response, so I reply in saying that changes will be made to our webpage to reflect what those on here have already questioned/noted/discussed.