[MaroonNotchback408]

ah ok thanks.

High compression generally means a low peak hp rpm or no?

[JBIGBOOTSY]

No.

[EscortSportage]

1st im not destroking anything i like 302
i wanna keep my 5.0 a 5.0 lol cuz itll be abke to rev higher, safer

my buddy is doing a 351w another buddy is doing 347, and ive heard good things about 331, But they are all motor (351w he wants to turbo) instead of putting a bigger motor or stroking, im going turbo, i dont want to put a bugger, heavyier engine in my stang (to make the front/rear weight distrubition even worse) dont want that, im staying 302 and running boost, i know they say there is no replacement for displacement but , now a days it doesnt matter, how big, how many cyclinder etc... im thinking of building a turbo motor and shifting around 7grand with boost,


the old mopar guy knows his shit and i believe him, he explained to me that cyrsler/dodge (mopar junk) there blocks are different compared to ours in that the crank sits deeper inside the block, so its much more stonger and better for revving, (he also built the motor)

back in the muscle car days even those 427 chevys some of them could stretch to 6000 or 6500 , i think that jenko camaro (im not sure)

so there is no reason a lil 302 cant stretch...and its not ricer at all, turbo 5.0s are nasty,

[BEASTstang]

Yes turbo 5.0's are nasty !!!!!!! But why are you worried about revving so high and peak horsepower ......etc. Just like darrell said you should be worried about the right combo for your certain goal .worry more about building a strong motor ,with the supporting suspension and etc......If you build a built /boosted 5.0 it will be NASTY ... and you won't have to worry about 7000 rpms.JMHO

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by EscortSportage 1st im not destroking anything i like 302 i wanna keep my 5.0 a 5.0 lol cuz itll be abke to rev higher, safer my buddy is doing a 351w another buddy is doing 347, and ive heard good things about 331, But they are all motor (351w he wants to turbo) instead of putting a bigger motor or stroking, im going turbo, i dont want to put a bugger, heavyier engine in my stang (to make the front/rear weight distrubition even worse) dont want that, im staying 302 and running boost, i know they say there is no replacement for displacement but , now a days it doesnt matter, how big, how many cyclinder etc... im thinking of building a turbo motor and shifting around 7grand with boost, the old mopar guy knows his shit and i believe him, he explained to me that cyrsler/dodge (mopar junk) there blocks are different compared to ours in that the crank sits deeper inside the block, so its much more stonger and better for revving, (he also built the motor) back in the muscle car days even those 427 chevys some of them could stretch to 6000 or 6500 , i think that jenko camaro (im not sure) so there is no reason a lil 302 cant stretch...and its not ricer at all, turbo 5.0s are nasty,

A 351W with aluminum heads weighs about 25lbs more than your stock 5 liter does. Don't let the weight issue be a factor because the weight isn't much of an issue. If you are concerned about weight in the front, strip the A/C and power steering out of the car.

And 6000-6500 rpm isn't much and there is a big difference between 6500 rpm and 10,000 rpm....big difference. Hell, there is a big difference between 9000 rpm and 10,000 rpm.

The crank being deeper in the block on Chrysler engines and the fact that they have shaft rockers from the factory means nothing. They still need all of the rest of the parts to turn 10,000 rpm (like heads, titainium pieces, etc.). I am waving the BS flag high. The guy is blowing smoke up your ass.

[superbean]

Originally Posted by 93mustank Dart,A4 or a mexican block can take you there if balanced correctly. Run a 255 crank with light parts. Custom solid roller. 4.56's Trick flow hi ports......etc Depends on what you have I'll be revving this stock short block to 7000....let you know how long it takes the beating.

[89LX347]

Originally Posted by EscortSportage 1st im not destroking anything i like 302 i wanna keep my 5.0 a 5.0 lol cuz itll be abke to rev higher, safer my buddy is doing a 351w another buddy is doing 347, and ive heard good things about 331, But they are all motor (351w he wants to turbo) instead of putting a bigger motor or stroking, im going turbo, i dont want to put a bugger, heavyier engine in my stang (to make the front/rear weight distrubition even worse) dont want that, im staying 302 and running boost, i know they say there is no replacement for displacement but , now a days it doesnt matter, how big, how many cyclinder etc... im thinking of building a turbo motor and shifting around 7grand with boost, the old mopar guy knows his shit and i believe him, he explained to me that cyrsler/dodge (mopar junk) there blocks are different compared to ours in that the crank sits deeper inside the block, so its much more stonger and better for revving, (he also built the motor) back in the muscle car days even those 427 chevys some of them could stretch to 6000 or 6500 , i think that jenko camaro (im not sure) so there is no reason a lil 302 cant stretch...and its not ricer at all, turbo 5.0s are nasty,

reading this shows me that you probably need to study up before you start building anything for your car. especially you saying "now a days it doesnt matter, how big, how many cyclinder etc" thats a very ignorant and uninformed statement.

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by 89LX347 reading this shows me that you probably need to study up before you start building anything for your car. especially you saying "now a days it doesnt matter, how big, how many cyclinder etc" thats a very ignorant and uninformed statement.

+1

[EscortSportage]

about the engine sizes...

my buddies 1.8l Escort gt turbo 325hp he runs 12.6 on the quarter
the newer 4.6 stangs gt 300hp runs 13's stock,
the 4.6 supercharged cobra (terminators) 395hp stock, u can build 600 easy with stock block and bottom end just off a little 4.6
subaru impreza WRX STI 2.5l turbo 300hp 300tq

my friends 2.6l conquest Tsi makes well over 300hp turbo
his supercharged cobalt 2.0 ecotec well over 230
ive watched an SHO taurus v6 put down over 250hp with some bolt ons and a little engine work... my point is it doesnt matter how big or small ur engine is, nor how many cyclinders it has

it matters on your setup and what ur building the car for, what im trying to say is the 302 is perfect and i want to stay with it, think about the buick grand national GNX 3.8L turbo v6... and those will give mustangs a run for there money, my opinion is stuffing the biggest engine in ur car is the old skool style (the muscle car era) but now a days its about fine tuning, boost/NOS combinations and the right setup... im going for more of a corner carver SICK street car,, that moves! so im looking into power to weight ratio and weight distrubution fron to rear, i dont know i just wanna try something different i guess, or a little out of the ordinary cuz i think beating a car with a bigger more powerful motor is very impressive, so the way i look at it is if my lil baby 302 can romp on some Big Block chevys and morpar its gonna be great

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by EscortSportage about the engine sizes... my buddies 1.8l Escort gt turbo 325hp he runs 12.6 on the quarter the newer 4.6 stangs gt 300hp runs 13's stock, the 4.6 supercharged cobra (terminators) 395hp stock, u can build 600 easy with stock block and bottom end just off a little 4.6 subaru impreza WRX STI 2.5l turbo 300hp 300tq my friends 2.6l conquest Tsi makes well over 300hp turbo his supercharged cobalt 2.0 ecotec well over 230 ive watched an SHO taurus v6 put down over 250hp with some bolt ons and a little engine work... my point is it doesnt matter how big or small ur engine is, nor how many cyclinders it has it matters on your setup and what ur building the car for, what im trying to say is the 302 is perfect and i want to stay with it, think about the buick grand national GNX 3.8L turbo v6... and those will give mustangs a run for there money, my opinion is stuffing the biggest engine in ur car is the old skool style (the muscle car era) but now a days its about fine tuning, boost/NOS combinations and the right setup... im going for more of a corner carver SICK street car,, that moves! so im looking into power to weight ratio and weight distrubution fron to rear, i dont know i just wanna try something different i guess, or a little out of the ordinary cuz i think beating a car with a bigger more powerful motor is very impressive, so the way i look at it is if my lil baby 302 can romp on some Big Block chevys and morpar its gonna be great

Did you seriously just compare a 2400lb Escort to a 3400lb Mustang? Please tell me that was a typo....

Yes, engine size and number of cylinders makes a huge difference. Small engines can make big power numbers but keep in mind that larger engines will make more horsepower. The examples you listed are not saying much. You are listing small engines that make decent power (yes, decent power not impressive power) with forced induction. The forced induction is making the horsepower, not the engine. Put forced induction on a larger cubic inch engine and the power numbers are going to increase greatly. More air in, more air out = more horsepower. The internal combustion engine is an air pump and nothing more. Larger engines have the ability to move more air and therefore the ability to make more horsepower, always.

[91 gt 5.0]

....because all of these guys with big block chevys and mopars build their cars to carve corners...on the street.


maybe you should built a vtec motor with a 106mm turbo and 200,000 shot of NOS and stick it in your car. Then maybe you can race Vin Diesel for his car

[93mustank]

Originally Posted by Darrell Did you seriously just compare a 2400lb Escort to a 3400lb Mustang? Please tell me that was a typo.... Yes, engine size and number of cylinders makes a huge difference. Small engines can make big power numbers but keep in mind that larger engines will make more horsepower. The examples you listed are not saying much. You are listing small engines that make decent power (yes, decent power not impressive power) with forced induction. The forced induction is making the horsepower, not the engine. Put forced induction on a larger cubic inch engine and the power numbers are going to increase greatly. More air in, more air out = more horsepower. The internal combustion engine is an air pump and nothing more. Larger engines have the ability to move more air and therefore the ability to make more horsepower, always.

+1

[89LX347]

Originally Posted by EscortSportage i know they say there is no replacement for displacement but , now a days it doesnt matter, how big, how many cyclinder etc...

Originally Posted by EscortSportage my point is it doesnt matter how big or small ur engine is, nor how many cyclinders it has

once again. keep on reading and learning before you make statements like this.

i dont know i just wanna try something different i guess, or a little out of the ordinary

well theres a saying that comes to mind for you kind of people.

"stick with what works"

i think beating a car with a bigger more powerful motor is very impressive, so the way i look at it is if my lil baby 302 can romp on some Big Block chevys and morpar its gonna be great

good luck!

[nolife]

Originally Posted by EscortSportage my point is it doesnt matter how big or small ur engine is, nor how many cyclinders it has

Your point? How does this related to wanting a 5.0 at 8000 rpm.

Take that 1.8l in your friends Escort and try to get your 3400# Mustang down the 1/4 in the 11 or 12's. Now try to get 500 or 600HP out of that 1.8L Escort. A crotch rocket may have only a 1 liter engine but pushing 180HP at 12K rpm and run under 10 in the 1/4, that's awesome and impressive BUT, that engine does not help you and your Mustang all, it is still only 180HP and your car still weighs 2800-3400#. Put that engine in your daily driver Mustang and try to drive up a hill and watch what happens. Have you ever even driven an older larger muscle car like an old dodge or chevy with a large low rpm high torque engine? Those engine have extreme amount of low end torque and it is needed to get those things going, the 345HP 1.8L boosted Escort engine would be a joke in one of those and you would be stuck driving around at 5000+ rpm. It is apples and oranges. Cubic inches DO matter. All boost does is raise the "effective" cu in of an engine. It forces more air into the cylinders, the same air that would naturally flow into a much larger engine without boost. If you have a larger engine with boost, it acts like an even larger engine. At some point with a "smaller" engine, you are going to hit limits of metallurgy and physics that can only be overcome with a larger engine or exotic metals and design at an extreme price. What does that extreme price get you? A very high powered small race engine that is great above 4000+ rpm but pretty much useless below that.

Dude, you can put a Briggs & Stratton in your car if you want, if it meets YOUR performance goals, that is all that matters.

[93mustank]

Originally Posted by nolife Dude, you can put a Briggs & Stratton in your car if you want, if it meets YOUR performance goals, that is all that matters.

+99

Bolt that lawn mower engine in and boost the shit out of it.....

[92_5.SLOW]

bottom line is there is no real reason to rev to 8 or 9k i'm sure there is someone revving to 6k and still beating ppl who rev higher than that peak shift rpm should be at peak hp....

Originally Posted by 93mustank +99 Bolt that lawn mower engine in and boost the shit out of it.....

^lol

[1slo5.0]

I bet right now he is calling everyone names and thinking how he knows so much better than the rest....since he didn't respond the last couple of times he viewed this thread.

Its his car, he can do what he wants whether it is right or wrong. Lessons learned the hard way for $500 please Alex.

[JBIGBOOTSY]

I can spin around like the lead singer from The Cure at about 41 rpm.... But I got mad torque when I do it.

[92_5.SLOW]

Originally Posted by JBIGBOOTSY I can spin around like the lead singer from The Cure at about 41 rpm.... But I got mad torque when I do it.

lol!

[93mustank]

Originally Posted by Darrell I bet right now he is calling everyone names and thinking how he knows so much better than the rest....since he didn't respond the last couple of times he viewed this thread. Its his car, he can do what he wants whether it is right or wrong. Lessons learned the hard way for $500 please Alex.

I was thinking the same thing.....He has def been active since....

Do people really tuck their tails that easy?