[Turbofox]

Who are they: Horse Power Connection (horsepowerconnectiondotcom)

What do they do: Supposed to "professionally" build race cars

Where they are located:

3939 12th Ave Building 2 Unit "C"

Lacey, WA 98503

360-455-7252<b>

They took $5,400 from me to build my car in which I had saved many OT work hours to afford the build, and built me an unsafe half put together car that caught on fire on my drive home, I spoke with another customer who had the same issue with his turbo BMW they built. I am lucky to have put the fire out and save the car, I am lucky myself and no one around me was injured or killed. It was a big loss financially but a great Lesson learned in character and ethics!


I can write all day long about all the shoddy work I found wrong but here is a short list;

* destroyed my Brand new alternator by grounding it out with a timing light (these guys are idiots! I should have taken my car back home after witnessing it.)

* Killed my brand new Red top Battery by leaving the key on!

* Fuel lines loose

* Electrical wires wrapped around fuel lines (fire waiting to happen)

* Turbo charger oil feed line lying on top of the Hot side (caused the fire!)

* Loose nuts and bolts

* Missing tranny bolt

* took my near flawless Mustang and got oil stains all over my interior

* scratched my fenders from not using fender shields at all times! (I showed up UN-announced and witnessed this)

* Bent up my motor mount flanges

* made the wiring look like garbage! Laying everywhere

* Spark plug wires bent up beyond 90 degree radius held by ZIP Ties!!

* Before I could get it home the car ran to 260 degrees so I shut it down and had to have it towed 60 Miles Home! it turns out their shoddy wire work melted on the headers and took out my Spal controller! (Killed my fan wiring)

I took it to them like this: Wont alow me to post pics?

And got this back: Wont alow me to post pics?

* Notice the right side, yeah I didn't get it all in the pic but that's a pile of wires ran very cheap and shoddy!

* And the Turbo oil feed line lying on top of the hot side! Yeah that caught on fire. IDIOTS!!

* Also the Plug wires are bent up and ZIP TIED together!

* If you look above I will point out more issues

* they hacked a jagged ugly hole in my fender well to put my turbo piping through and didn't bother to clean it up! the intake is riding on my Caster cambers and dug a hole into the intake pipe

* if you look closely my PTS-76mm Turbo That I sent back to Precision to have polished for $400 was all scratched up and destroyed

these guys don’t care about protecting your investment and why should they? All they want to do is push product out the door! Spread the word don’t let this be you or any of your buddies getting screwed Make the best decision on where you bring your ride

Now I’m doing this to fix it: Wont alow me to post pics?

Worst of all they had my car for 6 MONTHS!!! And this is what I get back!

If this shop disappears today the car world would be a safer place

IF YOU WOULD LIKE COPIES OF CONSUMER COMPLAINTS TOWARDS HPCONNECTION OR THE EMAILS BACK AND FORTH WITH ALL OF the Broken promises on our "deal" please email me I will send them to you.



Gobs bless all my red blooded, fast car driving American brothers and sisters out there. Be Careful to whom you trust your car too.

[mxnate116]

thats horrible man sorry to hear.

i smell a lawsuit. they endangered your life!

[Quick99]

Did you do any research at all about the shop. Did you check out any of there work or talk to any of there customers before you handed over the cash. Did you call them out when you picked up the car and point out the SHITTY work. Why would you take the car out of the shop if it was butchered up and unsafe?

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by Turbofox Who are they: Horse Power Connection (horsepowerconnectiondotcom) What do they do: Supposed to "professionally" build race cars Where they are located: 3939 12th Ave Building 2 Unit "C" Lacey, WA 98503 360-455-7252<b> They took $5,400 from me to build my car in which I had saved many OT work hours to afford the build, and built me an unsafe half put together car that caught on fire on my drive home, I spoke with another customer who had the same issue with his turbo BMW they built. I am lucky to have put the fire out and save the car, I am lucky myself and no one around me was injured or killed. It was a big loss financially but a great Lesson learned in character and ethics! I can write all day long about all the shoddy work I found wrong but here is a short list; * destroyed my Brand new alternator by grounding it out with a timing light (these guys are idiots! I should have taken my car back home after witnessing it.) * Killed my brand new Red top Battery by leaving the key on! * Fuel lines loose * Electrical wires wrapped around fuel lines (fire waiting to happen) * Turbo charger oil feed line lying on top of the Hot side (caused the fire!) * Loose nuts and bolts * Missing tranny bolt * took my near flawless Mustang and got oil stains all over my interior * scratched my fenders from not using fender shields at all times! (I showed up UN-announced and witnessed this) * Bent up my motor mount flanges * made the wiring look like garbage! Laying everywhere * Spark plug wires bent up beyond 90 degree radius held by ZIP Ties!! * Before I could get it home the car ran to 260 degrees so I shut it down and had to have it towed 60 Miles Home! it turns out their shoddy wire work melted on the headers and took out my Spal controller! (Killed my fan wiring) I took it to them like this: Wont alow me to post pics? And got this back: Wont alow me to post pics? * Notice the right side, yeah I didn't get it all in the pic but that's a pile of wires ran very cheap and shoddy! * And the Turbo oil feed line lying on top of the hot side! Yeah that caught on fire. IDIOTS!! * Also the Plug wires are bent up and ZIP TIED together! * If you look above I will point out more issues * they hacked a jagged ugly hole in my fender well to put my turbo piping through and didn't bother to clean it up! the intake is riding on my Caster cambers and dug a hole into the intake pipe * if you look closely my PTS-76mm Turbo That I sent back to Precision to have polished for $400 was all scratched up and destroyed these guys don’t care about protecting your investment and why should they? All they want to do is push product out the door! Spread the word don’t let this be you or any of your buddies getting screwed Make the best decision on where you bring your ride Now I’m doing this to fix it: Wont alow me to post pics? Worst of all they had my car for 6 MONTHS!!! And this is what I get back! If this shop disappears today the car world would be a safer place IF YOU WOULD LIKE COPIES OF CONSUMER COMPLAINTS TOWARDS HPCONNECTION OR THE EMAILS BACK AND FORTH WITH ALL OF the Broken promises on our "deal" please email me I will send them to you. Gobs bless all my red blooded, fast car driving American brothers and sisters out there. Be Careful to whom you trust your car too.

Email me the pictures and I'll post them. darrell1@charter.net

There are a few things I don't understand in your complaint list. How exactly did they destroy the alternator with a timing light? Its perfectly ok to connect the ground to the alternator case or bracket. This is common and people do it all the time. The battery being drained from leaving the key on is no big deal. Put a charger on it and it will be fine. Electrical wires next to fuel lines is not a fire waiting for a place to happen. The fuel is inside the lines, not outside. Everything else looks like some bad business. You didn't inspect the car before you paid the bill and left with the car? There is alot of stuff on that list that is hard to miss. Whenever I have work done anywhere I inspect the car before I pay/pick it up. If anything is wrong or out of place it is fixed before there is a money exchange.

[89LX347]

why didnt you look it over before you drove it off and tell them all the things you are saying now? there is a TON of stuff that you wrote down that you could have complained about while you were there. sorry about what happened but you gotta keep things in check

[88-gt-t-top]

Thats a shame, this has happened to me before not to this extent but, I feel your pain. Can we see these pics somewhere else?

[coffinator6]

Originally Posted by 1slo5.0 Email me the pictures and I'll post them. darrell1@charter.net There are a few things I don't understand in your complaint list. How exactly did they destroy the alternator with a timing light? Its perfectly ok to connect the ground to the alternator case or bracket. This is common and people do it all the time. The battery being drained from leaving the key on is no big deal. Put a charger on it and it will be fine. Electrical wires next to fuel lines is not a fire waiting for a place to happen. The fuel is inside the lines, not outside. Everything else looks like some bad business. You didn't inspect the car before you paid the bill and left with the car? There is alot of stuff on that list that is hard to miss. Whenever I have work done anywhere I inspect the car before I pay/pick it up. If anything is wrong or out of place it is fixed before there is a money exchange.

Dude, are you fuckin serious? ANYONE will tell you that is a MAJOR problem and a fire waiting to happen. Hence the reason you wiring in inside that car and the fuel under the car. Wiring should be ABOVE the fuel lines if at all possible. If he went to the track like that and they saw it they would tell him not to come back before he corrected it.

I don't know how many optima batteries you have drained but they will not hold a charge after they have been drained to nothing. My buddy has had this problem twice. and another friend of mine has had it once.

to the OP, i feel your pain. You got tunnel vision cause the car was done and you just wanted to drive it. It happens to all of us. I had it happen to me. I would would take it back and tell them to fix the shit right. if not, then i dont know what to tell you. Take it back 10 times if you have to until its right by YOUR book.

[89LX347]

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by coffinator6 Dude, are you fuckin serious? ANYONE will tell you that is a MAJOR problem and a fire waiting to happen. Hence the reason you wiring in inside that car and the fuel under the car. Wiring should be ABOVE the fuel lines if at all possible. If he went to the track like that and they saw it they would tell him not to come back before he corrected it. I don't know how many optima batteries you have drained but they will not hold a charge after they have been drained to nothing. My buddy has had this problem twice. and another friend of mine has had it once. to the OP, i feel your pain. You got tunnel vision cause the car was done and you just wanted to drive it. It happens to all of us. I had it happen to me. I would would take it back and tell them to fix the shit right. if not, then i dont know what to tell you. Take it back 10 times if you have to until its right by YOUR book.

Yes, I am serious. Say you have a -10 fuel line running next to a positive battery cable from the rear of the car to the front of the car. Tell me how this is a hazard. Do you think the positive battery cable might short out and and arc against the fuel line? Ok, then what happens if you had the fuel on one side of the car and positive cable on the other side and the positive cable shorted out against the metal frame which then arced to the fuel line on the other side of the car? I'll answer that for you, nothing will happen in either situation. For one the fuel is contained inside a steal line or a steel braided reineforced rubber line and for two their is no oxygen in the line. The line is packed tight with fuel, it can't burn without oxygen. Furthermore, I don't think you are qualified in the least bit to tell me how to wire or plumb a car. Please enlighten me as to why it is so dangerous to run electrical next to fuel lines.

Now I'll move on to your inaccurate presentation of NHRA rules. There is absolutely no rule anywhere about where to run electrical. Inside or outside doesn't matter. Fuel lines can not but inside the driver compartment in case of a crash and ruptured fuel line. There is no rule anywhere that says fuel lines can not be run near electrical. I've been to several race tracks and never once had an NHRA or IHRA inspector fail me due to fuel lines near electrical lines. That is one of the most rediculous things I've ever heard.

[grnstang]

Originally Posted by coffinator6 Dude, are you fuckin serious? ANYONE will tell you that is a MAJOR problem and a fire waiting to happen. Hence the reason you wiring in inside that car and the fuel under the car. Wiring should be ABOVE the fuel lines if at all possible. If he went to the track like that and they saw it they would tell him not to come back before he corrected it. I don't know how many optima batteries you have drained but they will not hold a charge after they have been drained to nothing. My buddy has had this problem twice. and another friend of mine has had it once. to the OP, i feel your pain. You got tunnel vision cause the car was done and you just wanted to drive it. It happens to all of us. I had it happen to me. I would would take it back and tell them to fix the shit right. if not, then i dont know what to tell you. Take it back 10 times if you have to until its right by YOUR book.

have you ever been to a race track?

[C MY 4D]

I'm not going to say a word....

[coffinator6]

Originally Posted by Turbofox * Electrical wires wrapped around fuel lines (fire waiting to happen)

Originally Posted by 1slo5.0 Yes, I am serious. Say you have a -10 fuel line running next to a positive battery cable from the rear of the car to the front of the car. Tell me how this is a hazard. Do you think the positive battery cable might short out and and arc against the fuel line? Ok, then what happens if you had the fuel on one side of the car and positive cable on the other side and the positive cable shorted out against the metal frame which then arced to the fuel line on the other side of the car? I'll answer that for you, nothing will happen in either situation. For one the fuel is contained inside a steal line or a steel braided reineforced rubber line and for two their is no oxygen in the line. The line is packed tight with fuel, it can't burn without oxygen. Furthermore, I don't think you are qualified in the least bit to tell me how to wire or plumb a car. Please enlighten me as to why it is so dangerous to run electrical next to fuel lines. Now I'll move on to your inaccurate presentation of NHRA rules. There is absolutely no rule anywhere about where to run electrical. Inside or outside doesn't matter. Fuel lines can not but inside the driver compartment in case of a crash and ruptured fuel line. There is no rule anywhere that says fuel lines can not be run near electrical. I've been to several race tracks and never once had an NHRA or IHRA inspector fail me due to fuel lines near electrical lines. That is one of the most rediculous things I've ever heard.

next to, yes. NOT WRAPPED AROUND LIKE THE OP SAID. I said nothing about them haing to run in the passenger compartment or under the car according to NHRA. I was refering to the electrical lines wraped AROUND the fuel line. Ever wonder why the FAA has a rule that all aircraft have the fuel and hydraulic lines running under the electrical lines? Granted this in not an airplane but its the same principal. Hell I have built many buggies that had fuel and electrical lines running close to each other.

Originally Posted by grnstang have you ever been to a race track?

any yes I have.

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by coffinator6 next to, yes. NOT WRAPPED AROUND LIKE THE OP SAID. I said nothing about them haing to run in the passenger compartment or under the car according to NHRA. I was refering to the electrical lines wraped AROUND the fuel line. Ever wonder why the FAA has a rule that all aircraft have the fuel and hydraulic lines running under the electrical lines? Granted this in not an airplane but its the same principal. Hell I have built many buggies that had fuel and electrical lines running close to each other. any yes I have.

Wrapped around or next to, what is the difference? I don't care if they are tied in a knot, it isn't going to make a difference. I sure would like to here your theory though.


Aircraft, cars......big difference. Not even close to a valid comparison. And no I've never wondered anything about FAA rules.

[Nice 5.0]

I used to be an aircraft mechanic in the Air Force. There are actually electrical lines that run inside the fuel tanks to power sensors and other components. Just like all cars have electrical lines running inside the fuel tank to power the fuel pump. And if you ever seen how tight the compartments are inside a fighter jet you have all kinds of fuel lines and electrical lines running side by side.

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by Nice 5.0 I used to be an aircraft mechanic in the Air Force. There are actually electrical lines that run inside the fuel tanks to power sensors and other components. Just like all cars have electrical lines running inside the fuel tank to power the fuel pump. And if you ever seen how tight the compartments are inside a fighter jet you have all kinds of fuel lines and electrical lines running side by side.

Uh oh......big accident waiting for a place to happen!!!!!

[superbean]

Originally Posted by coffinator6 Dude, are you fuckin serious? ANYONE will tell you that is a MAJOR problem and a fire waiting to happen. Hence the reason you wiring in inside that car and the fuel under the car. Wiring should be ABOVE the fuel lines if at all possible. If he went to the track like that and they saw it they would tell him not to come back before he corrected it. I don't know how many optima batteries you have drained but they will not hold a charge after they have been drained to nothing. My buddy has had this problem twice. and another friend of mine has had it once. to the OP, i feel your pain. You got tunnel vision cause the car was done and you just wanted to drive it. It happens to all of us. I had it happen to me. I would would take it back and tell them to fix the shit right. if not, then i dont know what to tell you. Take it back 10 times if you have to until its right by YOUR book.

Gasoline vapor inside the lines are what's harmful, not electrical current outside it?

[JBIGBOOTSY]

I have had braided AN lines destroyed by touching a 12v source.

[coffinator6]

Originally Posted by Nice 5.0 I used to be an aircraft mechanic in the Air Force. There are actually electrical lines that run inside the fuel tanks to power sensors and other components. Just like all cars have electrical lines running inside the fuel tank to power the fuel pump. And if you ever seen how tight the compartments are inside a fighter jet you have all kinds of fuel lines and electrical lines running side by side.

I am an aircraft mechanic on the kc-135 stratotanker. The who thing is a flying fuel tank.

Originally Posted by 1slo5.0 Uh oh......big accident waiting for a place to happen!!!!!

jet fuel and pump gas are totaly different. You can drop a match into a can of avgas and it won't ignite. cant say the same for pump gas.

Originally Posted by superbean Gasoline vapor inside the lines are what's harmful, not electrical current outside it?

true. what happens when those vapors are no longer contained to the fuel line. As in hitting the wall at the track or in an accident on the street.

im not arguing the fact that its not a common pratice. Im arguint the fact that the shop should not have wrapped the electrical wire around the fuel line. its bad pratice.