Solid Roller vs Hyd. Roller

68 dlxcoupe · June 5th, 2009, 02:19 PM

What are the differences between hyd. a solid performance wise?? I am considering going with this setup on my 91, but I'm not sure if it would be overkill for a forged 306 with AFR 185's or TFS Highports? Thoughts and opinions? Also what would need to be done to accommodate the lifters on a roller block or would I have to get a non hyd. roller block??

BlessedHellride · June 5th, 2009, 02:22 PM

They make solid roller lifters that will fit your roller block as OEM lifters do. Solid lift cam/lifter combos make quite a bit more hp and require just a little more maintenance than a hyd set up.

PJC Racing · June 5th, 2009, 03:03 PM

Solid rollers tend to make more power due to being able to increase valve spring rates that allow for more aggressive cams and vise versa. Solid lifters are just that, solid which requires you to set valve lash to buffer the valve train. Hydrualic's use oil pressure to buffer the valve train. You do not need to anything to run solid rollers in a roller block, but it is recommended that you use link bar lifters for reliability, and they are not cheap.

Iwannagofast · June 5th, 2009, 03:07 PM

exactly how much maintenance are we tlking about here.....do you adjust the lifter itself or what.....and how often would you have to do this

PJC Racing · June 5th, 2009, 03:39 PM

No, you periodicly have to pull the valve covers and check valve lash. It is not hard at all, EFI with large plenums do cause a bit more labor though because you have to remove the upper plenum to remove tha valve covers.

68 dlxcoupe · June 5th, 2009, 04:06 PM

I see, I am switching from EFi to a carb setup anyways so I'm not owrried about that, I just love the sound of a solid roller over hydraulic. Thanks for the info guys!!

BlessedHellride · June 5th, 2009, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by 68 dlxcoupe

I see, I am switching from EFi to a carb setup anyways so I'm not owrried about that, I just love the sound of a solid roller over hydraulic. Thanks for the info guys!!

There is some pretty aggressive sounding hyd roller cams out there. Don't just make your decision upon that.

68 dlxcoupe · June 5th, 2009, 04:53 PM

I'm not switch just for that reason. I am trying to make a nasty all motor 306 and I am trying to expand my options on how to make power

1slo5.0 · June 5th, 2009, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by 68 dlxcoupe

What are the differences between hyd. a solid performance wise?? I am considering going with this setup on my 91, but I'm not sure if it would be overkill for a forged 306 with AFR 185's or TFS Highports? Thoughts and opinions? Also what would need to be done to accommodate the lifters on a roller block or would I have to get a non hyd. roller block??

Solid roller all the way. No such thing as over kill. Have the cam ground for your combination. Camshaft Innovations has a pretty good deal on Canfield/custom cam and Trick Flow/custom cam packages.

Nothing needs to be done to the block.

Sleeper_Stang_89 · June 6th, 2009, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Iwannagofast

exactly how much maintenance are we tlking about here.....do you adjust the lifter itself or what.....and how often would you have to do this

setting the valve lash

MustangMatt96GT · June 6th, 2009, 11:04 AM

Which is very easy to do. Solid is the only way To go. Even if it were my daily driver.

Fijistudios · June 6th, 2009, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by MustangMatt96GT

Which is very easy to do. Solid is the only way To go. Even if it were my daily driver.

x2 pricier... but you have to pay to play

PJC Racing · June 6th, 2009, 06:28 PM

You should not be concerned with sound, you should be concerned with performance. There are a lot of very nasty cars out there that idle like they are stock, they are just set up correctly.

If you are serious about stepping up, I would contacy Camshaft Innovations for a custom tight lash solid roller and head package. The heads would already be set up with the correct parts for the cam. However if you are not ready to buy, do not try to contact him until you are ready. I believe his head and cam packages start at $1800, but don't quote me on that.

1slo5.0 · June 7th, 2009, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by PJC Racing

You should not be concerned with sound, you should be concerned with performance. There are a lot of very nasty cars out there that idle like they are stock, they are just set up correctly.

If you are serious about stepping up, I would contacy Camshaft Innovations for a custom tight lash solid roller and head package. The heads would already be set up with the correct parts for the cam. However if you are not ready to buy, do not try to contact him until you are ready. I believe his head and cam packages start at $1800, but don't quote me on that.

+1

68 dlxcoupe · June 8th, 2009, 12:39 AM

I am not ready to buy yet, I am just researching and saving at the moment. The sound isnt the only reason its just a little extra pleasure on my end, but I'm just trying to get the feel for pushrods again since i've been all over mod motors for the past 4 years.

June 5th, 2009, 02:19 PM	#1
68 dlxcoupe Enthusiast 2004 Mach 1 13.30 @ 104.47 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Richmond, Virginia Posts: 916 iTrader: 2 reviews	Solid Roller vs Hyd. Roller What are the differences between hyd. a solid performance wise?? I am considering going with this setup on my 91, but I'm not sure if it would be overkill for a forged 306 with AFR 185's or TFS Highports? Thoughts and opinions? Also what would need to be done to accommodate the lifters on a roller block or would I have to get a non hyd. roller block?? __________________ EAGLE SCOUTS OR GTFO MyStangOpens (12:01:05 AM): honey nut for me

June 5th, 2009, 02:22 PM	#2
BlessedHellride Regular 1988 Notchback 11.19 @ 122mph N/A Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: DeRidder, Louisiana Posts: 424 iTrader: 0 reviews	They make solid roller lifters that will fit your roller block as OEM lifters do. Solid lift cam/lifter combos make quite a bit more hp and require just a little more maintenance than a hyd set up. __________________ FluffyTheRhino: One time, the tramp I was fornicating with farted, and I felt it blow my balls backwards. 1988 Notch 347 C4 w/brake 3.90 gear 11.19 @ 122mph 60' 1.67 N/A Full Interiored pump gas car

June 5th, 2009, 03:03 PM	#3
PJC Racing Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 104 iTrader: 0 reviews	Solid rollers tend to make more power due to being able to increase valve spring rates that allow for more aggressive cams and vise versa. Solid lifters are just that, solid which requires you to set valve lash to buffer the valve train. Hydrualic's use oil pressure to buffer the valve train. You do not need to anything to run solid rollers in a roller block, but it is recommended that you use link bar lifters for reliability, and they are not cheap. __________________ 89 LX Coupe: Factory 5.0, common performance and suspension bolt-ons (306 build inprogress) 86 GT: (current 1/4 project) will have primarily Team Z suspension and chassis additions, 408 with nitrous in the works

June 5th, 2009, 03:39 PM	#5
PJC Racing Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 104 iTrader: 0 reviews	No, you periodicly have to pull the valve covers and check valve lash. It is not hard at all, EFI with large plenums do cause a bit more labor though because you have to remove the upper plenum to remove tha valve covers. __________________ 89 LX Coupe: Factory 5.0, common performance and suspension bolt-ons (306 build inprogress) 86 GT: (current 1/4 project) will have primarily Team Z suspension and chassis additions, 408 with nitrous in the works

June 5th, 2009, 04:06 PM	#6
68 dlxcoupe Enthusiast 2004 Mach 1 13.30 @ 104.47 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Richmond, Virginia Posts: 916 iTrader: 2 reviews	I see, I am switching from EFi to a carb setup anyways so I'm not owrried about that, I just love the sound of a solid roller over hydraulic. Thanks for the info guys!! __________________ EAGLE SCOUTS OR GTFO MyStangOpens (12:01:05 AM): honey nut for me

June 5th, 2009, 04:53 PM	#8
68 dlxcoupe Enthusiast 2004 Mach 1 13.30 @ 104.47 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Richmond, Virginia Posts: 916 iTrader: 2 reviews	I'm not switch just for that reason. I am trying to make a nasty all motor 306 and I am trying to expand my options on how to make power __________________ EAGLE SCOUTS OR GTFO MyStangOpens (12:01:05 AM): honey nut for me

June 6th, 2009, 11:04 AM	#11
MustangMatt96GT Proud American 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 10,689 iTrader: 3 reviews	Which is very easy to do. Solid is the only way To go. Even if it were my daily driver. __________________ RIP Travis Billings Special Thanks to: Andrews Racing Transmissions Baseline Suspensions 25.3 SFI Chassis Build Never Lift Racecars

June 6th, 2009, 06:28 PM	#13
PJC Racing Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 104 iTrader: 0 reviews	You should not be concerned with sound, you should be concerned with performance. There are a lot of very nasty cars out there that idle like they are stock, they are just set up correctly. If you are serious about stepping up, I would contacy Camshaft Innovations for a custom tight lash solid roller and head package. The heads would already be set up with the correct parts for the cam. However if you are not ready to buy, do not try to contact him until you are ready. I believe his head and cam packages start at $1800, but don't quote me on that. __________________ 89 LX Coupe: Factory 5.0, common performance and suspension bolt-ons (306 build inprogress) 86 GT: (current 1/4 project) will have primarily Team Z suspension and chassis additions, 408 with nitrous in the works

June 8th, 2009, 12:39 AM	#15
68 dlxcoupe Enthusiast 2004 Mach 1 13.30 @ 104.47 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Richmond, Virginia Posts: 916 iTrader: 2 reviews	I am not ready to buy yet, I am just researching and saving at the moment. The sound isnt the only reason its just a little extra pleasure on my end, but I'm just trying to get the feel for pushrods again since i've been all over mod motors for the past 4 years. __________________ EAGLE SCOUTS OR GTFO MyStangOpens (12:01:05 AM): honey nut for me

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