stroker short blocks?

86er · July 5th, 2009, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by flamestang

exactly stroked engine is going to may lots more power, not just the block issue rings and bearings as well. my original statement was 331 would last longer than a 347. 347 is almost maxed out for a stock block.

what maxed out about a 3.4 stroke and a 4.030 bored motor???

1slo5.0 · July 5th, 2009, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by 86er

what maxed out about a 3.4 stroke and a 4.030 bored motor???

Exactly. I'm sure we will here things like "rod ratio" and "piston side load" and "wrist pin intersecting the oil ring". I can't wait to learn why a 331 is a better choice than a 347 and I really can't wait to learn why a 347 isn't reliable and why it will burn oil.

superbean · July 5th, 2009, 01:21 PM

I've also seen rebuilt 302/306's last maybe 5k miles, and i've seen stroked motors run for years and years of daily abuse.

It's all about how hard you run it and how WELL it's put together.

fs308 · July 5th, 2009, 06:01 PM

id love to hear what they would say about the 357's people run. that rod ratio gotta be all fucked up

superbean · July 5th, 2009, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by grnsleeper

id love to hear what they would say about the 357's people run. that rod ratio gotta be all fucked up

lol

1slo5.0 · July 5th, 2009, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by grnsleeper

id love to hear what they would say about the 357's people run. that rod ratio gotta be all fucked up

Or how about that 8.2 deck 408 that guy runs in his sprint car on SBF Tech.

fs308 · July 5th, 2009, 08:15 PM

lol i must have missed that one over there. i seen the thread about the guy with the 392 8.2 deck motor

flamestang · July 6th, 2009, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by 1slo5.0

Yes it is. This shit cracks me up. If a person doesn't know what he is talking about, he shouldn't be talking....

I have built a hand full of stroker motors and ran with friends, 331 and 347 on street and track.Also Certified Ford gas engine technician. 347 is not an ideal street motor due to rapid wear on the rings (from the relatively low rod ratio) and increased oil burning.331 rod ratio is closer to stock 302 ratio. 331 is a better street engine.Since you don't think I should be talking maybe I should sign off and let you crack yourself up.

viperlocc · July 6th, 2009, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by flamestang

I have built a hand full of stroker motors and ran with friends, 331 and 347 on street and track.Also Certified Ford gas engine technician. 347 is not an ideal street motor due to rapid wear on the rings (from the relatively low rod ratio) and increased oil burning.331 rod ratio is closer to stock 302 ratio. 331 is a better street engine.Since you don't think I should be talking maybe I should sign off and let you crack yourself up.

AAAANNNNDDDD their it is

1slo5.0 · July 6th, 2009, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by flamestang

I have built a hand full of stroker motors and ran with friends, 331 and 347 on street and track.Also Certified Ford gas engine technician. 347 is not an ideal street motor due to rapid wear on the rings (from the relatively low rod ratio) and increased oil burning.331 rod ratio is closer to stock 302 ratio. 331 is a better street engine.Since you don't think I should be talking maybe I should sign off and let you crack yourself up.

I knew the rod ratio bullshit would come up. Hmmm, lets discuss this for a bit. Why is it that rod ratios apply only to the 347 and not to anything else? The Chevy 400 which was used in thousands of cars and trucks over the years and lasts well over 100,000 miles with CAST pistons has a 1.48 rod to stroke ratio. A 347 has a 1.59 rod to stroke ratio. The Ford 5.4L has a 1.59 rod to stroke ratio. The Chevy 454 and the 502 have a 1.53 rod to stroke ratio. Honda 4 cylinders have a 1.58 rod to stroke ratio. The Pontiac 455 has a 1.57 rod to stroke ratio. Toyota makes some of the most reliable engines on the road with 1.57 rod to stroke ratios. A 408 uses a 1.55 rod ratio. Do 408s wear rings out and burn oil too? Rod ratios mean nothing. You can take that to the bank. There is no rapid ring wear in 347s or any of the other engines I listed above. That is 100% bullshit. Show me a 347 that burns oil. That's great if you've built a handful of stroker motors with friends. That doesn't make you an expert in the field. Talking about rod ratios and oil burning confirms that. I've built and owned several handfuls. None of them ever burned a drop of oil and none of them were unreliable. All of them were daily driven. Come to think of it, I've never talked to anyone that has ever had a 347 burn oil or have any issues. But I have run into alot of internet experts that preach this oil burning and rod ratio bullshit.

93mustank · July 6th, 2009, 07:12 PM

[quote=flamestang;2171061]I have built a hand full of stroker motors and ran with friends, 331 and 347 on street and track.Also Certified Ford gas engine technician. QUOTE]
You built a 347 with a supercharger that runs 11.1 at 125....

Need I say more

1slo5.0 · July 6th, 2009, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by 93mustank

You built a 347 with a supercharger that runs 11.1 at 125....

Need I say more

LMFAO!!!!!! I missed that.

My supercharged 302 ran 10.6 @ 132....

Damn!

LXpat93 · July 7th, 2009, 12:01 AM

he must not know how to launch lol speaking of the stroker business im planning on a stroker later down the road but in your opinion which one responds the best to supercharging?

93mustank · July 7th, 2009, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by LXpat93

im planning on a stroker later down the road but in your opinion which one responds the best to supercharging?

Say wa..you serious?

LXpat93 · July 7th, 2009, 12:10 AM

yeah im serious the 331 may be better supercharged than the 347 of vice versa.

93mustank · July 7th, 2009, 12:15 AM

What do you think would respond better?

LXpat93 · July 7th, 2009, 12:21 AM

idk i was thinking a 347 then i saw that one dudes times and was like wow either he built it like shit or its just not the motor to be supercharging thats why im asking you guys from what you say you seem to know your shit.

93mustank · July 7th, 2009, 12:23 AM

Your first thought was right......

Dont run a 331 when you can run a 347 for the same price.....

The name of the game is money..... but examples out there show otherwise.

e3sean · July 7th, 2009, 12:25 AM

ive said it before and ill say it again....

my quote bitches dont steal it as your own!!!

The great E3Sean once said:
The only thing you will be burning when choosing a 347 over a 331 is the guy driving the 331!

my 347 burns no oil and i drive it nearly every day. i drive it an hour across town in 110* weather i drive it down the track 10 passes a night on a 125 shot... no problems...

Lind · July 7th, 2009, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by 93mustank

What do you think would respond better?

lol, i just about fell out of the chair

July 5th, 2009, 01:21 PM	#23
superbean Hardcore Enthusiast 1998 Cobra 13.24@105.66 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,774	I've also seen rebuilt 302/306's last maybe 5k miles, and i've seen stroked motors run for years and years of daily abuse. It's all about how hard you run it and how WELL it's put together. __________________ weeee foooord!

July 5th, 2009, 06:01 PM	#24
fs308 Regular Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 466	id love to hear what they would say about the 357's people run. that rod ratio gotta be all fucked up __________________ 87 Notch Doing a lot with a little _____________________________ lightweight, stock motor, and 12's?

July 5th, 2009, 08:15 PM	#27
fs308 Regular Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 466	lol i must have missed that one over there. i seen the thread about the guy with the 392 8.2 deck motor __________________ 87 Notch Doing a lot with a little _____________________________ lightweight, stock motor, and 12's?

July 6th, 2009, 07:12 PM	#31
93mustank Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Phoenix,AZ Posts: 2,456	[quote=flamestang;2171061]I have built a hand full of stroker motors and ran with friends, 331 and 347 on street and track.Also Certified Ford gas engine technician. QUOTE] You built a 347 with a supercharger that runs 11.1 at 125.... Need I say more __________________ “No track close to me, but with my old stock head, E cam setup N/A I was hitting 14 flat at 105 on cheap street tires using a G-tech” "I want some nice super high flow CAST IRON heads. " PeteAndersonRacing.com

July 7th, 2009, 12:15 AM	#36
93mustank Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Phoenix,AZ Posts: 2,456	What do you think would respond better? __________________ “No track close to me, but with my old stock head, E cam setup N/A I was hitting 14 flat at 105 on cheap street tires using a G-tech” "I want some nice super high flow CAST IRON heads. " PeteAndersonRacing.com

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July 7th, 2009, 12:01 AM	#33
LXpat93 Regular 1993 mustang lx 2.3 havnt ran yet Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: spring hill, fl Posts: 185	he must not know how to launch lol speaking of the stroker business im planning on a stroker later down the road but in your opinion which one responds the best to supercharging?

July 7th, 2009, 12:10 AM	#35
LXpat93 Regular 1993 mustang lx 2.3 havnt ran yet Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: spring hill, fl Posts: 185	yeah im serious the 331 may be better supercharged than the 347 of vice versa.

July 7th, 2009, 12:21 AM	#37
LXpat93 Regular 1993 mustang lx 2.3 havnt ran yet Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: spring hill, fl Posts: 185	idk i was thinking a 347 then i saw that one dudes times and was like wow either he built it like shit or its just not the motor to be supercharging thats why im asking you guys from what you say you seem to know your shit.

July 7th, 2009, 12:23 AM	#38
93mustank Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Phoenix,AZ Posts: 2,456	Your first thought was right...... Dont run a 331 when you can run a 347 for the same price..... The name of the game is money..... but examples out there show otherwise. __________________ “No track close to me, but with my old stock head, E cam setup N/A I was hitting 14 flat at 105 on cheap street tires using a G-tech” "I want some nice super high flow CAST IRON heads. " PeteAndersonRacing.com

July 7th, 2009, 12:25 AM	#39
e3sean MM Fanatic 1988 lx stock block 10.47@128 125shot Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: arizona Posts: 4,768	ive said it before and ill say it again.... my quote bitches dont steal it as your own!!! The great E3Sean once said: The only thing you will be burning when choosing a 347 over a 331 is the guy driving the 331! my 347 burns no oil and i drive it nearly every day. i drive it an hour across town in 110* weather i drive it down the track 10 passes a night on a 125 shot... no problems... __________________ MILITARY CREW USAF LUKE AFB AZ, E-5 Last edited by e3sean : July 7th, 2009 at 12:38 AM.

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