What I did tonight.. stuck in a dillema..

superbean · July 15th, 2009, 12:44 AM

Motor setup:

306 - Pistons are factory replacement style .0030.
9:1 compression
Trickflow stage 1 cam
Edelbrock performer upper and lower
65mm throttle body
stock maf and injectors

Had a bunch of valve train clatter, valve stem seals were leaky.. etc.. pulled the top end apart to have a look, so i went ahead and took it down the the short block..

Option a) send my stock e7's to the machine shop, have him clean them and put new seals in.. slap them back on and a fresh set of rockers..

Option b) Found a guy selling some gt40p heads, fresh rebuild with 3k on them, valve springs good to 560 lift, crane 1.6rrs. 480 shipped

option c) let it sit in my garage forever and my drag car will never get done.

What do you guys think I should do?

Chris951 · July 15th, 2009, 01:24 AM

B

1fst5.0 · July 15th, 2009, 01:26 AM

well, how fast do u want ur car done?

superbean · July 15th, 2009, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by 1fst5.0

well, how fast do u want ur car done?

I mean, I would like to have it back together in less than a week and 1/2...

Chris951 · July 15th, 2009, 03:54 AM

B! lol

White Thunder · July 15th, 2009, 04:04 AM

b or shop around for a better price on b

flattusmaximus78 · July 15th, 2009, 09:28 AM

A) LEave your daily as your daily. Just get it running as cheap as possible. There will be another set of pheads for sale somewere.

M L Struck · July 15th, 2009, 10:05 AM

B it won't cost much more then A and you will be much happier

flyin ryan · July 15th, 2009, 10:56 AM

Well we all know e7 heads suck balls... now this is your daily driver but did you want to eventually go with a different head for a few ponies more or never had the intentions of modding the car? I'd say you wanted a few ponies more since you did the intake so i'd say pickup a set of p heads and it's all positives. I mean there OEM and not a huge jump in power so it's not like your reliable car will now be unreliable you know plus it would be smart to make the jump while you have it all appart.

You could always tell yourself you'd pickup a mpg or more with the more efficient heads as well

so i'd choose B no doubt but would prob shop around or jew the guy down some because you'll need new head gaskets as well and a decent set of rockers if your going to do it right

superbean · July 15th, 2009, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by flyin ryan

Well we all know e7 heads suck balls... now this is your daily driver but did you want to eventually go with a different head for a few ponies more or never had the intentions of modding the car? I'd say you wanted a few ponies more since you did the intake so i'd say pickup a set of p heads and it's all positives. I mean there OEM and not a huge jump in power so it's not like your reliable car will now be unreliable you know plus it would be smart to make the jump while you have it all appart.

You could always tell yourself you'd pickup a mpg or more with the more efficient heads as well

so i'd choose B no doubt but would prob shop around or jew the guy down some because you'll need new head gaskets as well and a decent set of rockers if your going to do it right

The heads come with 1.6 roller rockers.

I don't think 480 shipped for a set of rebuilt p heads, with killer valve springs and rockers is bad at all!

superbean · July 15th, 2009, 01:14 PM

talked him down to 450.

My p heads are on their way!

For now I'm just going to put my stock manifolds on to clear the p heads and when I get my drag car done I'll get a set of mac long tubes to go with them

I think this will make for a killer daily setup..

around 9.5:1 compression with the p heads
gt40p
TFS1 cam
Full exhaust
Edelbrock Performer Upper/Lower
65mm TB
Intake

If I do anything else to the car, new injectors will be needed for sure.. but I think I can get by with 19#ers right now

kilby91 · July 15th, 2009, 03:05 PM

Stock headers will not clear P-heads... BTDT

flyin ryan · July 15th, 2009, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by superbean

talked him down to 450.

My p heads are on their way!

For now I'm just going to put my stock manifolds on to clear the p heads and when I get my drag car done I'll get a set of mac long tubes to go with them

I think this will make for a killer daily setup..

around 9.5:1 compression with the p heads
gt40p
TFS1 cam
Full exhaust
Edelbrock Performer Upper/Lower
65mm TB
Intake

If I do anything else to the car, new injectors will be needed for sure.. but I think I can get by with 19#ers right now

It'll be a fun daily driver and no you won't need larger injectors yet

1sl0w88 · July 15th, 2009, 03:38 PM

Stock headers will clear p-heads

flattusmaximus78 · July 15th, 2009, 03:41 PM

I thought stock manifolds work? Either way,should be a fun little car for dd. Didn't it go 13.5 ish with the old set up?

kilby91 · July 15th, 2009, 03:46 PM

I have put GT40p heads on 2 different cars, and the stock headers will not work... I even put a set in a vise, heated them up, and dented the shiit out of them and they were burning through 90* plug boots on 7.. The stock headers make their turn down to soon and don't leave enough space for the plug to clear.. I don't know how you would have gotten them to work, without restricting the header a LOT....

flattusmaximus78 · July 15th, 2009, 03:51 PM

All I know is I have bbk shorties, and I can get every plug out but cylinder 7. I have to take the header bolts out and loosen it from the hpipe. Hate the process with a passion. I dream of longtube headers.

kilby91 · July 15th, 2009, 03:55 PM

I have BBK shorties on my p-heads also.. And they clear fine.. I had to buy them cause my stockers wouldn't work.. I tried for several hours to get them to work with no success..

flyin ryan · July 15th, 2009, 05:31 PM

I've personally seen stock headers on p heads a few times.. I dont' know how involved the process was to get them to work and wouldn't waste the time myself honestly but I've seen it done.

93hatch · July 15th, 2009, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by superbean

talked him down to 450.

My p heads are on their way!

For now I'm just going to put my stock manifolds on to clear the p heads and when I get my drag car done I'll get a set of mac long tubes to go with them

I think this will make for a killer daily setup..

around 9.5:1 compression with the p heads
gt40p
TFS1 cam
Full exhaust
Edelbrock Performer Upper/Lower
65mm TB
Intake

If I do anything else to the car, new injectors will be needed for sure.. but I think I can get by with 19#ers right now

creepy... that was my EXACT set up on my fox, it was def a fun daily driver

July 15th, 2009, 12:44 AM	#1
superbean Hardcore Enthusiast 1998 Cobra 13.24@105.66 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,753	What I did tonight.. stuck in a dillema.. Motor setup: 306 - Pistons are factory replacement style .0030. 9:1 compression Trickflow stage 1 cam Edelbrock performer upper and lower 65mm throttle body stock maf and injectors Had a bunch of valve train clatter, valve stem seals were leaky.. etc.. pulled the top end apart to have a look, so i went ahead and took it down the the short block.. Option a) send my stock e7's to the machine shop, have him clean them and put new seals in.. slap them back on and a fresh set of rockers.. Option b) Found a guy selling some gt40p heads, fresh rebuild with 3k on them, valve springs good to 560 lift, crane 1.6rrs. 480 shipped option c) let it sit in my garage forever and my drag car will never get done. What do you guys think I should do? __________________ weeee foooord! Last edited by superbean : July 15th, 2009 at 01:11 AM.

July 15th, 2009, 01:24 AM	#2
Chris951 Hardcore Enthusiast 1988 T-top 5.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 1,409	B __________________ 1988 LX T-top 5.0: 70mm BBK Throttle Body 4.10 gears BBK shorties, Pypes O/R X-pipe, Dumped Flowpaths Pro 5.0 shifter

July 15th, 2009, 03:54 AM	#5
Chris951 Hardcore Enthusiast 1988 T-top 5.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 1,409	B! lol __________________ 1988 LX T-top 5.0: 70mm BBK Throttle Body 4.10 gears BBK shorties, Pypes O/R X-pipe, Dumped Flowpaths Pro 5.0 shifter

July 15th, 2009, 09:28 AM	#7
flattusmaximus78 MM Fanatic 1993 5.ohhhh 14.47 at 96 mph Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Gatorland Posts: 4,450	A) LEave your daily as your daily. Just get it running as cheap as possible. There will be another set of pheads for sale somewere. __________________ exploder top end with 12 psi of v-tech

July 15th, 2009, 10:05 AM	#8
M L Struck Hardcore Enthusiast 85 GT/86 SVO/2010 GT500 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Rossville IN Posts: 1,017	B it won't cost much more then A and you will be much happier __________________ no offense WT but this just reminded me of "Having a 9 second neon is like coming out of the closet, everyone is shocked at first, but in the end you're still gay."

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July 15th, 2009, 01:26 AM	#3
1fst5.0 Regular 1986 mustang gt Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: el paso tx Posts: 180	well, how fast do u want ur car done?

July 15th, 2009, 10:56 AM	#9
flyin ryan Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 1,176	Well we all know e7 heads suck balls... now this is your daily driver but did you want to eventually go with a different head for a few ponies more or never had the intentions of modding the car? I'd say you wanted a few ponies more since you did the intake so i'd say pickup a set of p heads and it's all positives. I mean there OEM and not a huge jump in power so it's not like your reliable car will now be unreliable you know plus it would be smart to make the jump while you have it all appart. You could always tell yourself you'd pickup a mpg or more with the more efficient heads as well so i'd choose B no doubt but would prob shop around or jew the guy down some because you'll need new head gaskets as well and a decent set of rockers if your going to do it right __________________ 91 gmc syclone - not stock, money maker 90 lx - turbo, bolts ons etc 88 lx hatch - tons of bolt ons and daily driven 02 zx12r - dyno'd 197 to the wheel http://i44.tinypic.com/2qlws5c.jpg

July 15th, 2009, 01:14 PM	#11
superbean Hardcore Enthusiast 1998 Cobra 13.24@105.66 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,753	talked him down to 450. My p heads are on their way! For now I'm just going to put my stock manifolds on to clear the p heads and when I get my drag car done I'll get a set of mac long tubes to go with them I think this will make for a killer daily setup.. around 9.5:1 compression with the p heads gt40p TFS1 cam Full exhaust Edelbrock Performer Upper/Lower 65mm TB Intake If I do anything else to the car, new injectors will be needed for sure.. but I think I can get by with 19#ers right now __________________ weeee foooord! Last edited by superbean : July 15th, 2009 at 01:17 PM.

July 15th, 2009, 03:05 PM	#12
kilby91 Regular 1991 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Jackson, MS Posts: 130	Stock headers will not clear P-heads... BTDT

July 15th, 2009, 03:38 PM	#14
1sl0w88 Regular 88 LX 5.0 Convertable Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 402	Stock headers will clear p-heads __________________ Robbie _________________ 88 LX Convertible 5.0 84 GT - Project 66 F100

July 15th, 2009, 03:41 PM	#15
flattusmaximus78 MM Fanatic 1993 5.ohhhh 14.47 at 96 mph Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Gatorland Posts: 4,450	I thought stock manifolds work? Either way,should be a fun little car for dd. Didn't it go 13.5 ish with the old set up? __________________ exploder top end with 12 psi of v-tech

July 15th, 2009, 03:46 PM	#16
kilby91 Regular 1991 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Jackson, MS Posts: 130	I have put GT40p heads on 2 different cars, and the stock headers will not work... I even put a set in a vise, heated them up, and dented the shiit out of them and they were burning through 90* plug boots on 7.. The stock headers make their turn down to soon and don't leave enough space for the plug to clear.. I don't know how you would have gotten them to work, without restricting the header a LOT.... Last edited by kilby91 : July 15th, 2009 at 03:55 PM.

July 15th, 2009, 03:51 PM	#17
flattusmaximus78 MM Fanatic 1993 5.ohhhh 14.47 at 96 mph Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Gatorland Posts: 4,450	All I know is I have bbk shorties, and I can get every plug out but cylinder 7. I have to take the header bolts out and loosen it from the hpipe. Hate the process with a passion. I dream of longtube headers. __________________ exploder top end with 12 psi of v-tech

July 15th, 2009, 03:55 PM	#18
kilby91 Regular 1991 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Jackson, MS Posts: 130	I have BBK shorties on my p-heads also.. And they clear fine.. I had to buy them cause my stockers wouldn't work.. I tried for several hours to get them to work with no success..

July 15th, 2009, 05:31 PM	#19
flyin ryan Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 1,176	I've personally seen stock headers on p heads a few times.. I dont' know how involved the process was to get them to work and wouldn't waste the time myself honestly but I've seen it done. __________________ 91 gmc syclone - not stock, money maker 90 lx - turbo, bolts ons etc 88 lx hatch - tons of bolt ons and daily driven 02 zx12r - dyno'd 197 to the wheel http://i44.tinypic.com/2qlws5c.jpg

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