New Motor

HOLLYWD69 · July 16th, 2009, 07:05 PM

I just bought an 86 GT for my son. We want to do a motor swap nothing crazy just a little more power, something we can work on together. I know the speed density limits the power so I am going to do a mass air conversion. I am looking at a late 90s explorer motor, do a cam swap and some port a polishing on the heads and the intake and drop it in. My question is do the crown vics or the trucks have the same motor as the explorers? I haven’t been able to find a 5.0 explorer at any of the junk yards around here. I want to pull it myself so I can get the mass air meter and all of the accessories and it’s a lot cheaper to pull it yourself at a junk yard than to buy one on line. Plus that would be something we can do together also. Thanks for any help.

Speedstang302 · July 16th, 2009, 07:17 PM

best bet is find a 5.0 mass air setup out of a mustang, all you want off the explorer is the upper and lower intake, heads and throttle body. and the 5.0 in all other ford, lincolns are stock foxbody stuff

superbean · July 16th, 2009, 07:17 PM

I think your on the right track here. Lots of guys are going fast with simple gt40 setups.

Gt40 with a decent intake, full exhaust and a set of a slicks will make for a hell of a ride

HOLLYWD69 · July 16th, 2009, 07:20 PM

Are the late 90s motors better than the early 90s or pretty much the same?

superbean · July 16th, 2009, 07:29 PM

87-92 Mustang motors were forged with deep valve reliefs
Early Explorers Came with GT40 heads (Cobra) (non -p's) and cast pistons
Late Explorers came with GT40P heads and cast pistons..

P heads are cool because they give a little compression bump.

Ideally the best setup would be an 87-92 short block, some p heads, stock cam and 1.7rr's. Would be cheap but has been proven to perform.

I'll wait for Mustank to chime in.. He took his P headed combo into the 11s

HOLLYWD69 · July 16th, 2009, 07:37 PM

Cool thanks for the help.

Speedstang302 · July 16th, 2009, 07:47 PM

i think the 5.0 wasnt dumped into the explorer til about 96ish. first couple years had gt40 (93 cobra) heads, then until the 4.6 crap they had gt40p's w/ different angled plugs so most headers wont work with them

HOLLYWD69 · July 16th, 2009, 08:06 PM

So no GT40p heads then.

Speedstang302 · July 16th, 2009, 08:08 PM

some have luck w/ bbk headers, some w/ stock ones and i know MAC LT's work

HOLLYWD69 · July 16th, 2009, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Speedstang302

some have luck w/ bbk headers, some w/ stock ones and i know MAC LT's work

Cool thanks for all the help.

superbean · July 16th, 2009, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by HOLLYWD69

So no GT40p heads then.

why not? Ford Racing sells p specific headers

HOLLYWD69 · July 16th, 2009, 08:33 PM

[QUOTE=superbean;2192108]why not? Ford Racing sells p specific headers[/QUOT

cool thanks. thats why I ask.

Haggis13 · July 16th, 2009, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by superbean

why not? Ford Racing sells p specific headers

FRPP Shorties work with P heads...

superbean · July 16th, 2009, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Haggis13

FRPP Shorties work with P heads...

That's because the p50 model headers were designed to work with angled plugs and straight plugs like the gt40p...

93mustank · July 17th, 2009, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by HOLLYWD69

I just bought an 86 GT for my son. We want to do a motor swap nothing crazy just a little more power, something we can work on together. I know the speed density limits the power so I am going to do a mass air conversion. I am looking at a late 90s explorer motor, do a cam swap and some port a polishing on the heads and the intake and drop it in. My question is do the crown vics or the trucks have the same motor as the explorers? I haven’t been able to find a 5.0 explorer at any of the junk yards around here. I want to pull it myself so I can get the mass air meter and all of the accessories and it’s a lot cheaper to pull it yourself at a junk yard than to buy one on line. Plus that would be something we can do together also. Thanks for any help.

A junk yard exploder block would be good for you...dont wast money with porting... depending on how much you drop on the block...... Depends how much money you have? Depends how fast you wanna go....everything depends...

Example on my build / cheap slap together.....

89 stock short block....100.00
afm n41 cam ..........100.00
Gt40 p heads fresh from machine shop/fresh resurface/new valves/valve job/Comp dual spring/yada yada still stock pedestal mount..............400.00
Exploder intake/pulled from a junk yard......60.00
pp 65mm tb 50.00

Rest was all there....Full exhaust/gears/19lb injectors/stock suspension/etc etc....Springs were miles off and not set up....

I personally got the car to run 11.9's.....trust me it shouldnt have but I made it.Not many will so this...its not hard....but it does take time....aka 50 passes down the axis road before the track lol........

I have learned a lot from all my experiences.....The stock ones are fun......Playin cheap is fun until you get tired of breaking stuff or going slow.

The Novice · July 17th, 2009, 06:32 AM

Hey mustank, when you ran the 11.9 you were on slicks correct?

Thats a pretty nice time and a money saver, nicely done!

HOLLYWD69 · July 17th, 2009, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by 93mustank

A junk yard exploder block would be good for you...dont wast money with porting... depending on how much you drop on the block...... Depends how much money you have? Depends how fast you wanna go....everything depends...

Example on my build / cheap slap together.....

89 stock short block....100.00
afm n41 cam ..........100.00
Gt40 p heads fresh from machine shop/fresh resurface/new valves/valve job/Comp dual spring/yada yada still stock pedestal mount..............400.00
Exploder intake/pulled from a junk yard......60.00
pp 65mm tb 50.00

Rest was all there....Full exhaust/gears/19lb injectors/stock suspension/etc etc....Springs were miles off and not set up....

I personally got the car to run 11.9's.....trust me it shouldnt have but I made it.Not many will so this...its not hard....but it does take time....aka 50 passes down the axis road before the track lol........

I have learned a lot from all my experiences.....The stock ones are fun......Playin cheap is fun until you get tired of breaking stuff or going slow.

I'm not looking to make a ton of power, about 325hp would be good. I wouldn't spend any money porting just some back yard port and polish and gasket matching by myself. Its been a while since I have done any engine work and never with fuel injection so all the help is appreciated.

95StangMX · July 17th, 2009, 04:39 PM

325 is going to cost you a little more than you think. Is that goal to the wheels or the crank?

HOLLYWD69 · July 17th, 2009, 05:07 PM

At the crank

superbean · July 17th, 2009, 07:02 PM

280 whp, 320chp is very easy to attain using a gt40p headed car.

remember, horsepower isn't everything.. having a car that can put the power down and a driver to use the power > dyno sheets

July 16th, 2009, 07:05 PM	#1
HOLLYWD69 Enthusiast 07 GT/CS 12.12 @117.53 mph Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Walker, La. Posts: 675 iTrader: 0 reviews	New Motor I just bought an 86 GT for my son. We want to do a motor swap nothing crazy just a little more power, something we can work on together. I know the speed density limits the power so I am going to do a mass air conversion. I am looking at a late 90s explorer motor, do a cam swap and some port a polishing on the heads and the intake and drop it in. My question is do the crown vics or the trucks have the same motor as the explorers? I haven’t been able to find a 5.0 explorer at any of the junk yards around here. I want to pull it myself so I can get the mass air meter and all of the accessories and it’s a lot cheaper to pull it yourself at a junk yard than to buy one on line. Plus that would be something we can do together also. Thanks for any help. __________________ 07GT/CS, GTA exhaust, FRPP handling kit, Whipple SC, Hurst shifter, Roush Gauge Pod, Glow Shift A/F & Boost gauge, J&M adjustable panhard bar, LCA & relocation brackets, UMI adjustable UCA, Shaft Masters Alum. DS, Pacesetter LT headers & OR H-pipe.

July 16th, 2009, 07:17 PM	#2
Speedstang302 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.64@101mph Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Massachusetss Posts: 5,799 iTrader: 1 reviews	best bet is find a 5.0 mass air setup out of a mustang, all you want off the explorer is the upper and lower intake, heads and throttle body. and the 5.0 in all other ford, lincolns are stock foxbody stuff __________________ 1990 GT- 5.0L \|BBK Shortys\|VRS O/R X\| SLP LM1 Catback\|BBK CAI\| Centerforce Clutch\|MGW Short Throw\| Alum D/S\| 3.73's\| Steeda Springs...about as stock as a 5.0 comes now a days..much more to come

July 16th, 2009, 07:17 PM	#3
superbean Hardcore Enthusiast 1998 Cobra 13.24@105.66 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,778 iTrader: 0 reviews	I think your on the right track here. Lots of guys are going fast with simple gt40 setups. Gt40 with a decent intake, full exhaust and a set of a slicks will make for a hell of a ride __________________ weeee foooord!

July 16th, 2009, 07:20 PM	#4
HOLLYWD69 Enthusiast 07 GT/CS 12.12 @117.53 mph Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Walker, La. Posts: 675 iTrader: 0 reviews	Are the late 90s motors better than the early 90s or pretty much the same? __________________ 07GT/CS, GTA exhaust, FRPP handling kit, Whipple SC, Hurst shifter, Roush Gauge Pod, Glow Shift A/F & Boost gauge, J&M adjustable panhard bar, LCA & relocation brackets, UMI adjustable UCA, Shaft Masters Alum. DS, Pacesetter LT headers & OR H-pipe.

July 16th, 2009, 07:29 PM	#5
superbean Hardcore Enthusiast 1998 Cobra 13.24@105.66 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,778 iTrader: 0 reviews	87-92 Mustang motors were forged with deep valve reliefs Early Explorers Came with GT40 heads (Cobra) (non -p's) and cast pistons Late Explorers came with GT40P heads and cast pistons.. P heads are cool because they give a little compression bump. Ideally the best setup would be an 87-92 short block, some p heads, stock cam and 1.7rr's. Would be cheap but has been proven to perform. I'll wait for Mustank to chime in.. He took his P headed combo into the 11s __________________ weeee foooord!

July 16th, 2009, 07:37 PM	#6
HOLLYWD69 Enthusiast 07 GT/CS 12.12 @117.53 mph Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Walker, La. Posts: 675 iTrader: 0 reviews	Cool thanks for the help. __________________ 07GT/CS, GTA exhaust, FRPP handling kit, Whipple SC, Hurst shifter, Roush Gauge Pod, Glow Shift A/F & Boost gauge, J&M adjustable panhard bar, LCA & relocation brackets, UMI adjustable UCA, Shaft Masters Alum. DS, Pacesetter LT headers & OR H-pipe.

July 16th, 2009, 07:47 PM	#7
Speedstang302 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.64@101mph Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Massachusetss Posts: 5,799 iTrader: 1 reviews	i think the 5.0 wasnt dumped into the explorer til about 96ish. first couple years had gt40 (93 cobra) heads, then until the 4.6 crap they had gt40p's w/ different angled plugs so most headers wont work with them __________________ 1990 GT- 5.0L \|BBK Shortys\|VRS O/R X\| SLP LM1 Catback\|BBK CAI\| Centerforce Clutch\|MGW Short Throw\| Alum D/S\| 3.73's\| Steeda Springs...about as stock as a 5.0 comes now a days..much more to come

July 16th, 2009, 08:06 PM	#8
HOLLYWD69 Enthusiast 07 GT/CS 12.12 @117.53 mph Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Walker, La. Posts: 675 iTrader: 0 reviews	So no GT40p heads then. __________________ 07GT/CS, GTA exhaust, FRPP handling kit, Whipple SC, Hurst shifter, Roush Gauge Pod, Glow Shift A/F & Boost gauge, J&M adjustable panhard bar, LCA & relocation brackets, UMI adjustable UCA, Shaft Masters Alum. DS, Pacesetter LT headers & OR H-pipe.

July 16th, 2009, 08:08 PM	#9
Speedstang302 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.64@101mph Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Massachusetss Posts: 5,799 iTrader: 1 reviews	some have luck w/ bbk headers, some w/ stock ones and i know MAC LT's work __________________ 1990 GT- 5.0L \|BBK Shortys\|VRS O/R X\| SLP LM1 Catback\|BBK CAI\| Centerforce Clutch\|MGW Short Throw\| Alum D/S\| 3.73's\| Steeda Springs...about as stock as a 5.0 comes now a days..much more to come

July 16th, 2009, 08:33 PM	#12
HOLLYWD69 Enthusiast 07 GT/CS 12.12 @117.53 mph Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Walker, La. Posts: 675 iTrader: 0 reviews	[QUOTE=superbean;2192108]why not? Ford Racing sells p specific headers[/QUOT cool thanks. thats why I ask. __________________ 07GT/CS, GTA exhaust, FRPP handling kit, Whipple SC, Hurst shifter, Roush Gauge Pod, Glow Shift A/F & Boost gauge, J&M adjustable panhard bar, LCA & relocation brackets, UMI adjustable UCA, Shaft Masters Alum. DS, Pacesetter LT headers & OR H-pipe.

July 17th, 2009, 06:32 AM	#16
The Novice Hardcore Enthusiast 87 Mustang GT T-top Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 1,149 iTrader: 0 reviews	Hey mustank, when you ran the 11.9 you were on slicks correct? Thats a pretty nice time and a money saver, nicely done!

July 17th, 2009, 04:39 PM	#18
95StangMX MM Fanatic 95 Mustang GT depends how many people are pushing Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Playa del Carmen, Mexico Posts: 3,223 iTrader: 0 reviews	325 is going to cost you a little more than you think. Is that goal to the wheels or the crank? __________________ People should think about boarding up their glass house before starting a rock fight!

July 17th, 2009, 05:07 PM	#19
HOLLYWD69 Enthusiast 07 GT/CS 12.12 @117.53 mph Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Walker, La. Posts: 675 iTrader: 0 reviews	At the crank __________________ 07GT/CS, GTA exhaust, FRPP handling kit, Whipple SC, Hurst shifter, Roush Gauge Pod, Glow Shift A/F & Boost gauge, J&M adjustable panhard bar, LCA & relocation brackets, UMI adjustable UCA, Shaft Masters Alum. DS, Pacesetter LT headers & OR H-pipe.

July 17th, 2009, 07:02 PM	#20
superbean Hardcore Enthusiast 1998 Cobra 13.24@105.66 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,778 iTrader: 0 reviews	280 whp, 320chp is very easy to attain using a gt40p headed car. remember, horsepower isn't everything.. having a car that can put the power down and a driver to use the power > dyno sheets __________________ weeee foooord!

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