STOCK FUEL RAILS

Racinjason81 · February 13th, 2007, 10:03 PM

CAN 5.0 STOCK FUEL RAILS SUPPLY 425-450 FORCEFED HORSEPOWER

JOEYD0730 · February 13th, 2007, 10:20 PM

in my experience yes. ive seen 440 at the wheels using stock rails on a 306 with a s-trim 12psi of boost. mostly stock bottom end besides bolts, gt-40 upper and lowr , and afr 185's on a dynojet.

Darrell · February 13th, 2007, 10:54 PM

Yes they can.

Racinjason81 · February 13th, 2007, 11:59 PM

THANKS

Stangzilla · February 14th, 2007, 12:19 AM

Yeah they can but you are pushin it. I would spend the money and get some high flow rails. Thats just me though..

GTXRacing · February 14th, 2007, 04:40 PM

If I'm not mistaken, I believe from what I've read that the pure bone stock 5.0's were built for 500hp... There 500hp capable more to say

Tony_90fox · February 14th, 2007, 06:50 PM

450-500 is what i was told for the fuel rails and it seems to be going with what everybody else is saying too.

Stangzilla · February 14th, 2007, 10:21 PM

They prob can but I have learned over the years I myself dont like being close to the limits with anything.. Thats just me though..

Tony_90fox · February 14th, 2007, 10:26 PM

Mine isn't going to be touched with under 400 HP, but if i decide on a power adder then i definitely will be upgrading.

Darrell · February 14th, 2007, 11:06 PM

If you are going to change fuel rails then be prepared to drop another $1000 or so on braided lines, fittings, filter(s), fuel pump and probably a sumped tank or fuel cell.

I've seen many Mustangs with stock fuel rails in the 500 hp area at the wheels with no fuel delivery problems.

shawn91stang · February 14th, 2007, 11:14 PM

No do your research and the bbk fuel rail system I just put on is $180 brand new and the braided fuel lines are around $80. To sump the tank and shit I dont know but I am pushin 3 somethin at the wheels and I got the stock lines with the bbk fuel rail it comes with everything you need too you just have to cut the crossover line to your length you need and I used some soap and 2 clamps to make sure they stay on and I havent had a problem yet I went through this a couple weeks ago.

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...w=1&N=700+150+

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

Stangzilla · February 14th, 2007, 11:50 PM

It costs alot more than 80 for the lines. I paid 200 for the fittings another 150 for the lines 250 for my inline pump ect ect. you have nothing more than the low budget setup...

Darrell · February 15th, 2007, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by shawn91stang

No do your research and the bbk fuel rail system I just put on is $180 brand new and the braided fuel lines are around $80. To sump the tank and shit I dont know but I am pushin 3 somethin at the wheels and I got the stock lines with the bbk fuel rail it comes with everything you need too you just have to cut the crossover line to your length you need and I used some soap and 2 clamps to make sure they stay on and I havent had a problem yet I went through this a couple weeks ago.

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...w=1&N=700+150+

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

I think you missed the point. Replacing the fuel rails is like flushing money down the toilet if you don't replace the restrictive factory lines and fuel system. The stock rails are the least of your concerns in the stock fuel system.

TT86 · February 15th, 2007, 01:42 AM

If you are doing a cmplete fuel system. Which is the ONLY reason why you would need to upgrade your rails.... you are looking at 250-300 for pump and filter...

then you are looking at 150 for S/S lines to and from the motor....
another bill for a decent fuel pressure regulator... also you need to think about all of your AN fitting which run at least 8-10 dollars each..... It adds up quick, and not to mention the new injectors which you should have, that would require your new rails. rails also will cost you a bill or so. All in all you're looking at 1K or more for a decent system....

homebrewed · February 15th, 2007, 02:09 AM

My 2 cents: are you plannin on a return style or returnless system? The $ for lines will add up with a return style. and the type of regulator you want to use will also be a factor. ie. a 2 for a non-return or 3 port regualtor that adjust pressure via the return line. Sounds weird, but thats how the operate with EFI.

TT86 · February 15th, 2007, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by homebrewed

My 2 cents: are you plannin on a return style or returnless system? The $ for lines will add up with a return style. and the type of regulator you want to use will also be a factor. ie. a 2 for a non-return or 3 port regualtor that adjust pressure via the return line. Sounds weird, but thats how the operate with EFI.

All 5.0 mustang systems were ALL return style fuel systems. Nobody in their right mind would change to a non-return style fuel system. Non-return style fuel systems wreak havoc on high fuel demanding motors from what i have heard...

homebrewed · February 15th, 2007, 02:44 AM

Oh they do. Terrible bad.

JOEYD0730 · February 15th, 2007, 11:19 PM

like darrell said $1000+ for a goot system. aeromotive sells a complete kit for around $1100.
ps dont foget what a pita it is to get the braided line into the fitting...
i made good power with stock rails,

shawn91stang · February 16th, 2007, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by Stangzilla

It costs alot more than 80 for the lines. I paid 200 for the fittings another 150 for the lines 250 for my inline pump ect ect. you have nothing more than the low budget setup...

Well I am sorry that I am not as rich as you are and everyone cant shit $1000 for a fuel system that is just ridiculous (unless its a pure drag car) everything that I gave him runs all the way from the fuel filter all the way to the rails and those rails support up to 1000hp or some shit the only thing I did not provide him is an extra fuel pump or the lines from the tank to the filter which he can get if he needs it thats all and I dont know what setup you got that you paid 200 just for the fittings but thats sad. Those lines will fit right up no fittings needed. If you full out drag and you got the motor to do it than go spend all the money but I am not running lean without spending thousands of dollars on some fuel filters lines and pump.

O yea and TT86 nice setup!!!

Darrell · February 16th, 2007, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by shawn91stang

Well I am sorry that I am not as rich as you are and everyone cant shit $1000 for a fuel system that is just ridiculous (unless its a pure drag car) everything that I gave him runs all the way from the fuel filter all the way to the rails and those rails support up to 1000hp or some shit the only thing I did not provide him is an extra fuel pump or the lines from the tank to the filter which he can get if he needs it thats all and I dont know what setup you got that you paid 200 just for the fittings but thats sad. Those lines will fit right up no fittings needed. If you full out drag and you got the motor to do it than go spend all the money but I am not running lean without spending thousands of dollars on some fuel filters lines and pump.

O yea and TT86 nice setup!!!

How did you over come the restrictive stock fuel filter, tank outlets and pump? Adding the line and rails does nothing if you still leave the restrictions behind it. That is the point I've been trying to make. If you are just doing it one step at a time, that is fine too because like you said not everyone can afford to go out and drop $1000 on a fuel system. Just keep in mind that you do still have a major restriction in your set up. Also $200 is not a bad (or sad) price for fittings. Good fittings cost money. I won't use anything but Aeroquip or maybe Earl's. I've learned that lesson already.

February 13th, 2007, 10:03 PM	#1
Racinjason81 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New jersey Posts: 1,400	STOCK FUEL RAILS CAN 5.0 STOCK FUEL RAILS SUPPLY 425-450 FORCEFED HORSEPOWER

February 13th, 2007, 10:20 PM	#2
JOEYD0730 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: QUEENS, NEW YORK Posts: 41	in my experience yes. ive seen 440 at the wheels using stock rails on a 306 with a s-trim 12psi of boost. mostly stock bottom end besides bolts, gt-40 upper and lowr , and afr 185's on a dynojet. __________________ 91 Gt Convertible RNH Perfomance 331 dart stroker w s-trim http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...0/HPIM0075.jpg dart stroker with s-trim, 91 vert

February 13th, 2007, 10:54 PM	#3
Darrell Asshole™ 1990 Mustang LX 9.36@143 mph Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fond du Lac, Wisconsin Posts: 7,762	Yes they can. __________________ Racing in memory of Dave Bandt 11/19/69 - 3/23/08 "he's traded his wheels for wings" Professor of Natural Aspiration Thanks to: Artie at Trick Flow, Dave at Team Z Motorsports, Brian at Total Engine Airflow and Harold at Furo Racecraft

February 13th, 2007, 11:59 PM	#4
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February 14th, 2007, 12:19 AM	#5
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February 14th, 2007, 04:40 PM	#6
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February 14th, 2007, 10:21 PM	#8
Stangzilla MM Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: On my way to Baines's house!! Posts: 3,095	They prob can but I have learned over the years I myself dont like being close to the limits with anything.. Thats just me though.. __________________ Rotating The Earth 1320 Feet At A Time!! The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, “You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I’m just not close enough to get the job done.”

February 14th, 2007, 11:06 PM	#10
Darrell Asshole™ 1990 Mustang LX 9.36@143 mph Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fond du Lac, Wisconsin Posts: 7,762	If you are going to change fuel rails then be prepared to drop another $1000 or so on braided lines, fittings, filter(s), fuel pump and probably a sumped tank or fuel cell. I've seen many Mustangs with stock fuel rails in the 500 hp area at the wheels with no fuel delivery problems. __________________ Racing in memory of Dave Bandt 11/19/69 - 3/23/08 "he's traded his wheels for wings" Professor of Natural Aspiration Thanks to: Artie at Trick Flow, Dave at Team Z Motorsports, Brian at Total Engine Airflow and Harold at Furo Racecraft

February 14th, 2007, 11:14 PM	#11
shawn91stang Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 82	No do your research and the bbk fuel rail system I just put on is $180 brand new and the braided fuel lines are around $80. To sump the tank and shit I dont know but I am pushin 3 somethin at the wheels and I got the stock lines with the bbk fuel rail it comes with everything you need too you just have to cut the crossover line to your length you need and I used some soap and 2 clamps to make sure they stay on and I havent had a problem yet I went through this a couple weeks ago. http://store.summitracing.com/partde...w=1&N=700+150+ http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

February 14th, 2007, 11:50 PM	#12
Stangzilla MM Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: On my way to Baines's house!! Posts: 3,095	It costs alot more than 80 for the lines. I paid 200 for the fittings another 150 for the lines 250 for my inline pump ect ect. you have nothing more than the low budget setup... __________________ Rotating The Earth 1320 Feet At A Time!! The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, “You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I’m just not close enough to get the job done.”

February 15th, 2007, 01:42 AM	#14
TT86 Regular Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 247	If you are doing a cmplete fuel system. Which is the ONLY reason why you would need to upgrade your rails.... you are looking at 250-300 for pump and filter... then you are looking at 150 for S/S lines to and from the motor.... another bill for a decent fuel pressure regulator... also you need to think about all of your AN fitting which run at least 8-10 dollars each..... It adds up quick, and not to mention the new injectors which you should have, that would require your new rails. rails also will cost you a bill or so. All in all you're looking at 1K or more for a decent system.... __________________ 69 convertible: 302/ DART heads/Z303 cam/Vic Jr./ 650 DP Tremec w/ 4:10s 86 hatch: 302/ Edel Al. heads/ F303 cam/ twin Garret T3 turbos 10 psi intercooled 52# injectors MegaSquirt II EMS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_urWMgS_IRQ

February 15th, 2007, 11:19 PM	#18
JOEYD0730 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: QUEENS, NEW YORK Posts: 41	like darrell said $1000+ for a goot system. aeromotive sells a complete kit for around $1100. ps dont foget what a pita it is to get the braided line into the fitting... i made good power with stock rails, __________________ 91 Gt Convertible RNH Perfomance 331 dart stroker w s-trim http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...0/HPIM0075.jpg dart stroker with s-trim, 91 vert

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