Project Newbie

under construction · November 2nd, 2009, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by baine21225

1 347 will give you more power/power potential at a (semi) marginally more expensive price.

is there a point when going with a big bore kit for a 302 where i'll run into reliability issues? i'm going to want a stone cold reliable power plant and like mentioned, i don't imagine going to a 347 is going to cost much more than a 306 or 331 so why not go with the biggest available? LOTS to think about!!

M L Struck · November 2nd, 2009, 11:05 AM

347 is very reliable and can make some good power,I have logged thousands of miles on my 347 (over 40k running the hell out of it) it came in at around 440 hp.

under construction · November 2nd, 2009, 11:11 AM

i LIKE the sound of that!!

the other thing that hit me over the weekend is that since i have an '87 that means i have a speed density system correct? will i need to change that over to a mass air system?

i will also have to pass smog. is that something a stroked motor is capable of doing?

M L Struck · November 2nd, 2009, 12:08 PM

yes you will have to switch over to mass air. I'm sure it's possible to pass the sniffer but you have to ask some other guys that have to pass it.

under construction · November 2nd, 2009, 12:21 PM

thanx for the info.

baine21225 · November 2nd, 2009, 12:23 PM

I'm clueless when it relates to smog, and the stroker kits can be just as reliable as the stockers

flyin ryan · November 2nd, 2009, 12:54 PM

My advise is to leave it stock if you want it reliable.

fs308 · November 2nd, 2009, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by M L Struck

yes you will have to switch over to mass air. I'm sure it's possible to pass the sniffer but you have to ask some other guys that have to pass it.

it was mainly depend on the cam. for a performance stroker and to pass the snuffer to me that would be custom cam territory. After reading this thread the OP just needs to have his engine rebuilt with a 306. i would just get some of those Keith black flat tops pistons they are like 200 bucks for a set of 8 and would bump the compression to a solid 10:1 and then track some gt40 heads down for another simple addition to power. DONT FORGET TO UPGRADE the valve springs. horsepower can be found in them

M L Struck · November 2nd, 2009, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by fs308

it was mainly depend on the cam. for a performance stroker and to pass the snuffer to me that would be custom cam territory. After reading this thread the OP just needs to have his engine rebuilt with a 306. i would just get some of those Keith black flat tops pistons they are like 200 bucks for a set of 8 and would bump the compression to a solid 10:1 and then track some gt40 heads down for another simple addition to power. DONT FORGET TO UPGRADE the valve springs. horsepower can be found in them

Thats some good advise

under construction · November 2nd, 2009, 04:39 PM

i very much appreciate all of the advice.

fs308, you mention building out a 306. by going that route, does that eliminate other issues i would have by going with a larger stroker? if i go with a stroker, will that require different heads, cams, intakes, cranks, etc? i was really trying to stay away from that. is there the possibility that i'll be able to keep the block as a 302 and just replace the pistons and any/all bearings, and the valve springs? i promised my "accountant"

that i'd keep the project under control but i'm getting start struck by looking at 400+ hp stroked motors. i'm really more interested in keeping the build very normal (maybe with some quality bolt ons) but putting it back together with quality pieces and done the right way.

under construction · November 2nd, 2009, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by flyin ryan

My advise is to leave it stock if you want it reliable.

you must be related to my wife

she tells me the same thing.

under construction · November 2nd, 2009, 04:48 PM

here's another question. i have the opportunity to pick up a trick flow upper/lower for about $250. if i decide to go the route of a stroker motor, will the intakes still work or will it require a different set of intakes??

88-gt-t-top · November 2nd, 2009, 05:38 PM

as long as your staying with a 302block the intake will/should work just fine. depending on which stroker you decide make sure you're not buying the street manifold, be sure it's the R series

baine21225 · November 2nd, 2009, 06:55 PM

There is nothing wrong with the street series, and as far as heads, cam, intake go it will all fit as long its a 302 block (a 331 or 347 is still a 302 block)

under construction · November 2nd, 2009, 07:34 PM

great! thanx for the quick reply.

fs308 · November 3rd, 2009, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by under construction

i very much appreciate all of the advice.

fs308, you mention building out a 306. by going that route, does that eliminate other issues i would have by going with a larger stroker? if i go with a stroker, will that require different heads, cams, intakes, cranks, etc? i was really trying to stay away from that. is there the possibility that i'll be able to keep the block as a 302 and just replace the pistons and any/all bearings, and the valve springs? i promised my "accountant" that i'd keep the project under control but i'm getting start struck by looking at 400+ hp stroked motors. i'm really more interested in keeping the build very normal (maybe with some quality bolt ons) but putting it back together with quality pieces and done the right way.

just based off what your saying i would stick with a stout 306. go with the pistons i mentioned earlier. some of the new trick flow FAC heads a custom cam and a nice holley or trickflow track heat intake. should make a solid 350rwho and be a nice reliable motor

under construction · November 3rd, 2009, 12:17 PM

350 rwhp, that would be nice! just out of curiosity what does a stock 302 put out at the rear wheels? i know it's rated at 225hp, but is that at the flywheel or rw?

under construction · November 3rd, 2009, 12:32 PM

pulled off a couple more pieces last night. got the fan, fan shroud, belt and cold air intake off. then i got dark. little by little the engine bay is getting emptier and emptier. next i'll drain the engine oil and start pulling the accessories off of the front. pretty soon i'll be able to stand in the engine bay next to the block

the mrs. came home last night and saw the pieces on the ground in front of the car. she asked, "how are you going to remember how to put all of this stuff back on?" my response, "i don't know, i'll worry about that when the time comes to start putting them back on

". she just shook her head and walked away, laughing of course.

fs308 · November 3rd, 2009, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by under construction

350 rwhp, that would be nice! just out of curiosity what does a stock 302 put out at the rear wheels? i know it's rated at 225hp, but is that at the flywheel or rw?

190-200

fs308 · November 3rd, 2009, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by under construction

pulled off a couple more pieces last night. got the fan, fan shroud, belt and cold air intake off. then i got dark. little by little the engine bay is getting emptier and emptier. next i'll drain the engine oil and start pulling the accessories off of the front. pretty soon i'll be able to stand in the engine bay next to the block the mrs. came home last night and saw the pieces on the ground in front of the car. she asked, "how are you going to remember how to put all of this stuff back on?" my response, "i don't know, i'll worry about that when the time comes to start putting them back on ". she just shook her head and walked away, laughing of course.

what i did with my car was got a box of plastic bags. everything that i took off the car i put the bolts to it in the bags and labeled the bags that way when i start assembling i have all of the pieces.

November 2nd, 2009, 11:05 AM	#42
M L Struck Hardcore Enthusiast 85 GT/86 SVO/2010 GT500 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Rossville IN Posts: 1,017	347 is very reliable and can make some good power,I have logged thousands of miles on my 347 (over 40k running the hell out of it) it came in at around 440 hp. __________________ no offense WT but this just reminded me of "Having a 9 second neon is like coming out of the closet, everyone is shocked at first, but in the end you're still gay."

November 2nd, 2009, 11:11 AM	#43
under construction Regular '87 GT Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 55	i LIKE the sound of that!! the other thing that hit me over the weekend is that since i have an '87 that means i have a speed density system correct? will i need to change that over to a mass air system? i will also have to pass smog. is that something a stroked motor is capable of doing? Last edited by under construction : November 2nd, 2009 at 11:15 AM.

November 2nd, 2009, 12:08 PM	#44
M L Struck Hardcore Enthusiast 85 GT/86 SVO/2010 GT500 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Rossville IN Posts: 1,017	yes you will have to switch over to mass air. I'm sure it's possible to pass the sniffer but you have to ask some other guys that have to pass it. __________________ no offense WT but this just reminded me of "Having a 9 second neon is like coming out of the closet, everyone is shocked at first, but in the end you're still gay."

November 2nd, 2009, 12:23 PM	#46
baine21225 MM Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 3,966	I'm clueless when it relates to smog, and the stroker kits can be just as reliable as the stockers __________________ "Whip out your dick you'll either get it sucked or get smacked..." "That's how Dad did it, that's how America does it... and it's worked out pretty well so far..."

November 2nd, 2009, 12:54 PM	#47
flyin ryan Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 1,176	My advise is to leave it stock if you want it reliable. __________________ 91 gmc syclone - not stock, money maker 90 lx - turbo, bolts ons etc 88 lx hatch - tons of bolt ons and daily driven 02 zx12r - dyno'd 197 to the wheel http://i44.tinypic.com/2qlws5c.jpg

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November 2nd, 2009, 12:21 PM	#45
under construction Regular '87 GT Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 55	thanx for the info.

November 2nd, 2009, 04:39 PM	#50
under construction Regular '87 GT Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 55	i very much appreciate all of the advice. fs308, you mention building out a 306. by going that route, does that eliminate other issues i would have by going with a larger stroker? if i go with a stroker, will that require different heads, cams, intakes, cranks, etc? i was really trying to stay away from that. is there the possibility that i'll be able to keep the block as a 302 and just replace the pistons and any/all bearings, and the valve springs? i promised my "accountant" that i'd keep the project under control but i'm getting start struck by looking at 400+ hp stroked motors. i'm really more interested in keeping the build very normal (maybe with some quality bolt ons) but putting it back together with quality pieces and done the right way.

November 2nd, 2009, 04:48 PM	#52
under construction Regular '87 GT Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 55	here's another question. i have the opportunity to pick up a trick flow upper/lower for about $250. if i decide to go the route of a stroker motor, will the intakes still work or will it require a different set of intakes??

November 2nd, 2009, 06:55 PM	#54
baine21225 MM Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 3,966	There is nothing wrong with the street series, and as far as heads, cam, intake go it will all fit as long its a 302 block (a 331 or 347 is still a 302 block) __________________ "Whip out your dick you'll either get it sucked or get smacked..." "That's how Dad did it, that's how America does it... and it's worked out pretty well so far..."

November 2nd, 2009, 07:34 PM	#55
under construction Regular '87 GT Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 55	great! thanx for the quick reply.

November 3rd, 2009, 12:17 PM	#57
under construction Regular '87 GT Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 55	350 rwhp, that would be nice! just out of curiosity what does a stock 302 put out at the rear wheels? i know it's rated at 225hp, but is that at the flywheel or rw?

November 3rd, 2009, 12:32 PM	#58
under construction Regular '87 GT Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 55	pulled off a couple more pieces last night. got the fan, fan shroud, belt and cold air intake off. then i got dark. little by little the engine bay is getting emptier and emptier. next i'll drain the engine oil and start pulling the accessories off of the front. pretty soon i'll be able to stand in the engine bay next to the block the mrs. came home last night and saw the pieces on the ground in front of the car. she asked, "how are you going to remember how to put all of this stuff back on?" my response, "i don't know, i'll worry about that when the time comes to start putting them back on ". she just shook her head and walked away, laughing of course.

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